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Huge ancient city found in the Amazon​

11th January 2024, 07:08 UTC
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By Georgina RannardScience reporter, BBC News
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Scientists found evidence of 6,000 mounds thought to be the basis for ancient homes
A huge ancient city has been found in the Amazon, hidden for thousands of years by lush vegetation.
The discovery changes what we know about the history of people living in the Amazon.
The houses and plazas in the Upano area in eastern Ecuador were connected by an astounding network of roads and canals.
The area lies in the shadow of a volcano that created rich local soils but also may have led to the destruction of the society.
While we knew about cities in the highlands of South America, like Machu Picchu in Peru, it was believed that people only lived nomadically or in tiny settlements in the Amazon.

"This is older than any other site we know in the Amazon. We have a Eurocentric view of civilisation, but this shows we have to change our idea about what is culture and civilisation," says Prof Stephen Rostain, director of investigation at the National Centre for Scientific Research in France, who led the research.
"It changes the way we see Amazonian cultures. Most people picture small groups, probably naked, living in huts and clearing land - this shows ancient people lived in complicated urban societies," says co-author Antoine Dorison.
The city was built around 2,500 years ago, and people lived there for up to 1,000 years, according to archaeologists.
It is difficult to accurately estimate how many people lived there at any one time, but scientists say it is certainly in the 10,000s if not 100,000s.
The archaeologists combined ground excavations with a survey of a 300 sq km (116 sq mile) area using laser sensors flown on a plane that could identify remains of the city beneath the dense plants and trees.


This LiDAR technology found 6,000 rectangular platforms measuring about 20m (66 ft) by 10m (33 ft) and 2-3m high.
They were arranged in groups of three to six units around a plaza with a central platform.
The scientists believe many were homes, but some were for ceremonial purposes. One complex, at Kilamope, included a 140m (459 ft) by 40m (131 ft) platform.
They were built by cutting into hills and creating a platform of earth on top.

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Roads, paths and canals were found connecting the platforms suggesting a large area was occupied
A network of straight roads and paths connected many of the platforms, including one that extended 25km (16 miles).
Dr Dorison said these roads were the most striking part of the research.
"The road network is very sophisticated. It extends over a vast distance, everything is connected. And there are right angles, which is very impressive," he says, explaining that it is much harder to build a straight road than one that fits in with the landscape.

He believes some had a "very powerful meaning", perhaps linked to a ceremony or belief.
The scientists also identified causeways with ditches on either side which they believe were canals that helped manage the abundant water in the region.
There were signs of threats to the cities - some ditches blocked entrances to the settlements, and may be evidence of threats from nearby people.
Researchers first found evidence of a city in the 1970s, but this is the first time a comprehensive survey has been completed, after 25 years of research.
It reveals a large, complex society that appears to be even bigger than the well-known Mayan societies in Mexico and Central America.

"Imagine that you discovered another civilisation like the Maya, but with completely different architecture, land use, ceramics," says José Iriarte, a professor of archaeology at University of Exeter, who was not involved in this research.
Some of the findings are "unique" for South America, he explains, pointing to the octagonal and rectangular platforms arranged together.
The societies were clearly well-organised and interconnected, he says, highlighting the long sunken roads between settlements.
Not a huge amount is known about the people who lived there and what their societies were like.
Pits and hearths were found in the platforms, as well as jars, stones to grind plants and burnt seeds.

The Kilamope and Upano people living there probably mostly focussed on agriculture. People ate maize and sweet potato, and probably drank "chicha", a type of sweet beer.
Prof Rostain says he was warned against this research at the start of his career because scientists believed no ancient groups had lived in the Amazon.
"But I'm very stubborn, so I did it anyway. Now I must admit I am quite happy to have made such a big discovery," he says.
The next step for the researchers is understanding what lies in an adjoining 300 sq km (116 sq mile) area not yet surveyed.
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This and the Sahara are the two areas of archeology I would fund the shit out of if I woke up as a plutocrat one morning.

Two difficult areas to research physically but some hints of amazing history to unravel.
 
Gaspar de Carvajal described seeing such immense and populous civilizations along the Amazon during a Spanish expedition along the river in the early-mid 1500s. It would seem that the evidence has now vindicated his account, which was usually dismissed as impossible based on the conditions of the region.
 
Gaspar de Carvajal described seeing such immense and populous civilizations along the Amazon during a Spanish expedition along the river in the early-mid 1500s. It would seem that the evidence has now vindicated his account, which was usually dismissed as impossible based on the conditions of the region.
1491 is a great pop sci book about civilization in the Americas before the europeans arrived. It's theorized that the Americas had a bigger population than the rest of the world before the diseases the europeans brought killed 90 percent of them.
 
None discovered
Yet
Theres not much hope for a written text being discovered in those parts sadly. The combination of moisture and heat make for a poor preserver of anything softer than stone or metal. The texts we did have were burned during the inquisition.
 
I doubt they discovered mining/gold smelting. That was Incas and Mayans and Aztecs. Go to Mexico on vacation and dive old cenotes, there's at least a chance you'll find sacrificial jewelry.
Why doubt it, when there were silver mines all over the continent?
 
1491 is a great pop sci book about civilization in the Americas before the europeans arrived. It's theorized that the Americas had a bigger population than the rest of the world before the diseases the europeans brought killed 90 percent of them.
Which is a silly theory because we know from the earliest contact about exactly where the survival rate lies. For example of the Aztec royal family about two thirds of them died from war or disease during the Spanish conquest, but there were survivors who would be married to Spanish Conquistadors.
There's been nothing to suggest that the Americas had a population to rival Europe, no matter how many times anthropologists try to suggest that twenty building foundations and a plaza Rome make
 
Yes, but no written records, not even carved inscriptions. That really sets a hard limit on how much you can investigate.
I saw a carved wooden stele at a Mayan ruin. It was in bad shape for sure and wood bees made their home in it, but I recall hearing the guide saying they were able to record the glyphs carved on it. Mayan ruins are in hot, humid places so who knows.
 
I saw a carved wooden stele at a Mayan ruin. It was in bad shape for sure and wood bees made their home in it, but I recall hearing the guide saying they were able to record the glyphs carved on it. Mayan ruins are in hot, humid places so who knows.
The aztecs and mayans had paper and created codices. Unfortunately most of them were destroyed.
 
1491 is a great pop sci book about civilization in the Americas before the europeans arrived. It's theorized that the Americas had a bigger population than the rest of the world before the diseases the europeans brought killed 90 percent of them.
And that's proven false because the scholar who came up with those estimates asserted theories like hunter gatherer tribes having orders of magnitude higher population density than any known hunter gatherer group. It's based on bad calculations of ecological carrying capacity that disregard how tribes actually lived or their lack of storage capacity.

But the Amazon is different since it's so remote and unknown. Parts of the Amazon are basically a garden gone wild because they used to have intricate systems of forest management which fell into disuse as they died out.
I doubt they discovered mining/gold smelting. That was Incas and Mayans and Aztecs. Go to Mexico on vacation and dive old cenotes, there's at least a chance you'll find sacrificial jewelry.
All I found at a cenote when diving was some fat American's phone who kept telling people to enjoy prison.
 
Gaspar de Carvajal described seeing such immense and populous civilizations along the Amazon during a Spanish expedition along the river in the early-mid 1500s. It would seem that the evidence has now vindicated his account, which was usually dismissed as impossible based on the conditions of the region.
I believe it. They can still fit 20 guys in a 2 bedroom apartment.
 
The reports of ancient "cities" are always misleading. When we hear the word City we think about population centers with infrastructure and complex central organization.
What they are looking at are not those kinds of cities but large villages that stayed in the same place but moved around their structures for a few hundred years.

Imagine having an ink stamp that depicts a village of 10 houses and a church. If you press that stamp onto paper once, you will see an image of a village of 10 houses and a church. If you stamp the same paper over and over again it will start to look like a City.
Villages made of wood in a rainy location will have to be basically reconstructed every decade. Now do that for a few hundred years, and the remains start looking like cities.

All that they've found are locations where the land was fertile and stable enough to allow a constant larger population over time, probably much larger than a standard village, and probably with elites that built better houses and temples, but it's not at the level of what most of us would consider a mesoamerican City like the Azteca or Inca.
 
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