How to get my friend back?

[biozeminadae1]

A week ago my friendship with a person I knew since kindergarten ended, because he took offense to me calling transgenders and other LGBTQ2A+ people sub-humans, which I unironically believe they are. He listed the generic pro-trans talking points, like how much happier they are than me, etc; and ended with a P.S. saying he was Bisexual, which is the first time I heard of it. He claimed to have been Christian and he had a girlfriend, so I never imagined it.

He's been living for six or seven years in Germany, so maybe his brain has become pozzed as Hell. I thought of him as liberal-minded, since he wasn't what we'd consider a liberal now, because of his racism towards Blacks (and others).

So, what can I do? I don't think he's ever seen a video or read anything about de-transitioned people and their horror stories. And every article or talking point I had brought up in our discord group chat/server thing I'm sure he's ignored, since he never responded to them.

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[biozeminadae1]

You are literally just stomping your feet and saying IT'S NOT TRUE HE IS NOT BISEXUAL HE DOESN'T REALLY BELIEVE THE THINGS HE SAYS HE'S JUST BRAINWASHED

Stop having your gay little tantrum about your fag friend.

Even if he is Bisexual, that's one thing, and I would be willing to amend my views. But he defends transgenders and is pro-LGBTQ+ whatever. That's unacceptable, something's wrong with his thinking.

Then why not just agree to disagree and stop the political sperg?

That's what we did. Then he sent the video and got pissed that I called the sub-human in the video a sub-human.
The video in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lHNkUjR9nM
I haven't seen it.

 

[MadStan]

It's not like we didn't argue about this, I just don't have the skill, back then and now, to break the conditioning he was put through.

Apologist nonsense. I don't even believe he's Bisexual, it's bullshit.


It didn't feel like it mattered how I came across, as he'd just shut down the conversation, saying typical stuff like "Well, it's just your opinion." or whatever.

So now you've not only told him you view some large groups of humans as unworthy to be considered humans, but his support for these types is enough to get you upset to the point where you go on-line and discuss their unworthiness and "death to them" speech. And you've now labelled him a liar also. And you think he's brainwashed, "pozzed as hell" as you say.

And you want a friendship with him?

I don't think he broke the friendship off because you are intolerant of types - we all are intolerant of some types, racist, or dislike some groups. He has broken off his friendship with you because you have gone well beyond dislike and intolerance. You've gone into deep hate.

Some people don't like others who express deep hate and a desire to see millions humans grouped into a "sub human" category that should be executed. If you think he's a liar, sub-human and brainwashed, I bet he picks up on that too. Why would he want to be your friend?


He isn't your friend, it is very much over.

 

[Pruto]

Even if he is Bisexual, that's one thing, and I would be willing to amend my views. But he defends transgenders and is pro-LGBTQ+ whatever. That's unacceptable, something's wrong with his thinking.



That's what we did. Then he sent the video and got pissed that I called the sub-human in the video a sub-human.
The video in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lHNkUjR9nM
I haven't seen it.

You both sound like faggots honestly, maybe you could rekindle your bond by sucking nigger cock toghether.

 

[biozeminadae1]

So now you've not only told him you view some large groups of humans as unworthy to be considered humans, but his support for these types is enough to get you upset to the point where you go on-line and discuss their unworthiness and "death to them" speech. And you've now labelled him a liar also.

And you want a friendship with him?

Of course I do, we were part of one memetic lineage, so I don't want to see a someone who I considered to be of my tribe go the other way.

I don't think he broke the friendship off because you are intolerant of types - we all are intolerant of some types, racist, or dislike some groups. He has broken off his friendship with you because you have gone well beyond dislike and intolerance. You've gone into deep hate.

I think my reaction is normal.

Some people don't like others who express deep hate and a desire to see millions humans grouped into a "sub human" category that should be executed.

He isn't your friend, it is very much over.

People can be willfully ignorant. Putting aside the wider LGBT, transgenders do not want to seek help for their condition, they purposefully indulge in their sexual fetishes and produce them publicly, and they try to subvert the mores and norms of society. I don't have to subscribe to their interpretation of Enlightenment-era values. I don't care about their feelings of entitlement of certain freedoms they think they should posses.

My hate is entirely warranted.

 

[Strap-on Makima]

You went too far in your faggotry OP, you won't get him back (you shouldn't even want to as others said).

I've had a similar relationship with one of the two childhood friends i still hang with. I was the bi friend, he was the triggered retard you are, except both of us were actually able to have meaningful conversations, we've both evolved from these discussions and to this day we shit on trannies together.

Sounds to me like you're both retards.

 

[MadStan]

Of course I do, we were part of one memetic lineage, so I don't want to see a someone who I considered to be of my tribe go the other way.



I think my reaction is normal.



People can be willfully ignorant. Putting aside the wider LGBT, transgenders do not want to seek help for their condition, they purposefully indulge in their sexual fetishes and produce them publicly, and they try to subvert the mores and norms of society. I don't have to subscribe to their interpretation of Enlightenment-era values. I don't care about their feelings of entitlement of certain freedoms they think they should posses.

My hate is entirely warranted.

Not to enter into an argument, but gay and lesbian behavior has been present since recorded history and choice has little to do with it. But of interest is that you consider it merely a choice rather than a condition of mind or brain function. What this alludes to is a bit of a disassociation with empathy to another's situation and with that comes a belief that your point of view is entirely correct. And you've stated as much and all those who disagree are ignorant.

If we can pick up on this from a few thread discussions, then no doubt your ex-friend has also picked up on this. People don't like to be around other people who think they are scum for their beliefs, opinions or condition. He does not want to be your friend because of what you think of him and others, and the curtain has been pulled and there isn't any closing of it. It is sad when someone loses a friend for whatever reason, especially when they want the friendship.

Your friendship is over and there will be no salvaging it, and the more you try, and heaven forbid you guys get into a debate the more he will dislike you, and you will dislike him. And if you stop and think about it, really really think about it, if you met a guy who thinks like he does anew, you'd never want to know the guy or be his friend. And he knows this, which is why your friendship is indeed, entirely over.

 

[biozeminadae1]

Not to enter into an argument, but gay and lesbian behavior has been present since recorded history and choice has little to do with it. But of interest is that you consider it merely a choice rather than a condition of mind or brain function.

Its presence in history has nothing to do with what I am talking about. Homosexuality might be a genetic trait to some humans, I don't know. Regardless of that possibility I needn't have to approve or accept their life-style. Empathy has nothing to do with it. If one side tries to indoctrinate me, my peers, my friends, my kin, that is unacceptable to me. I assume it was the same for the wider LGBT community to have found it unacceptable for normal people to have called them freaks for the way they were.

This "non-heteronormative" community, along with its liberal policies and viewpoints, has driven a wedge between me and my friend. If you say I can't amend with him, fine, maybe I can't. Talking about empathy, I was actually thinking that this site would have had people in my predicament, instead of apologists of people who have throughout written history, across all civilisations, been looked upon with scorn and hatred.

 

[MadStan]

Its presence in history has nothing to do with what I am talking about. Homosexuality might be a genetic trait to some humans, I don't know. Regardless of that possibility I needn't have to approve or accept their life-style. Empathy has nothing to do with it. If one side tries to indoctrinate me, my peers, my friends, my kin, that is unacceptable to me. I assume it was the same for the wider LGBT community to have found it unacceptable for normal people to have called them freaks for the way they were.

This "non-heteronormative" community, along with its liberal policies and viewpoints, has driven a wedge between me and my friend. If you say I can't amend with him, fine, maybe I can't. Talking about empathy, I was actually thinking that this site would have had people in my predicament, instead of apologists of people who have throughout written history, across all civilisations, been looked upon with scorn and hatred.

Regardless of whats going on in the world, I don't think blaming others for the split in your friendship is going to help because it offers no avenue to remedy it. You have to live with others who think differently to you. I wish you luck.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

That's unacceptable, something's wrong with his thinking.

Again - if you think it's unacceptable, why do you want him to remain your friend?

It sounds like you can't cope with the idea of someone you like having opinions you don't like, and you're trying to justify this cognitive dissonance in your head by saying "well that's not his actual opinion, he's brainwashed / he doesn't know what he's saying / he doesn't really believe it / etc"

Why can't you accept that your friend is who he says he is, believes what he says he believes, and then make a decision on whether or not you want to stay his friend based on that?

 

[SpergioLeonne]

You've labelled people that are human as sub-human. You've labelled gays, lesbians and bisexuals as sub-human, people who have different sexual orientation than you as sub-human and those seeking sex changes as sub-human.

It sounds rightly the friendship has ended. Move on. He didn't want to not be your friend because you thought differently, he moved on because he knows you have a hatred that has surpassed just hate when you start referring to humans who are different to you as sub-human and ergo unfit or unsuitable to be considered human beings.

"Christian and married" is a label that often fits child rapists, pedophiles, criminals, good people and just about people of every inclination or moral level. so your association with "Christian and married" not fitting with a guy who is bisexual makes little sense.

Why on Earth would a guy want to be your friend when he knows that you view him as sub-human? Get real.

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It’s not normal for men to be bisexual. In undamaged people, shit evokes a disgust response.

He was probably molested as a child, which caused a cascade of faulty processes like associating people being nice to him with dicks in his ass. His brain has spent most of his life attempting to normalize a trauma.

Fuck you for obviously preferring that mess to normal hetero married people

 

[biozeminadae1]

Again - if you think it's unacceptable, why do you want him to remain your friend?

It sounds like you can't cope with the idea of someone you like having opinions you don't like, and you're trying to justify this cognitive dissonance in your head by saying "well that's not his actual opinion, he's brainwashed / he doesn't know what he's saying / he doesn't really believe it / etc"

Why can't you accept that your friend is who he says he is, believes what he says he believes, and then make a decision on whether or not you want to stay his friend based on that?

I guess I might as well accept it, even if it turns out to not be true. Should he no longer wishes to associate with his current group that doesn't mean he will want to associate with me.

He was probably molested as a child, which caused a cascade of faulty processes like associating people being nice to him with dicks in his ass. His brain has spent most of his life attempting to normalize a trauma.

I don't think he was molested, he was always a straitlaced kid, calm and collected, too. And his parents have never given me reason to think they haven't looked after him with care and affection.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

I don't think he was molested, he was always a straitlaced kid, calm and collected. And his parents have never given me reason to think they haven't looked after him with care and affection.

Doesn’t have to be his parents. I had a friend who turned out bi and one day he drunkenly confessed that his older brother used to rape him.

Could be a family friend, an uncle, a gym teacher, some random fucked up kid at school…

But dude, -something- has to happen to bridge the gap from “shit makes me want to throw up” to “shit gives me erections”

 

[Gargamel]

I lost a friend this way. He slid down the slippery slope that is troonery.

I don't consider trannies to be sub-human. Sub-human is a word I reserve for Israeli ratkikes.

Nevertheless, I don't like trannies for a variety of perfectly valid reasons. He acknowledges that the tranny cult has some issues, but downplays those issues, and views trannies as being just as normal as gays (we're both gay). His feelings towards my transhatred seem to be rooted in the classic tranny ideology of "if you don't affirm, you are literal Hitler", though not quite to that extreme. My feelings of being very uncomfortable as a gay man because of trannies is inconsequential to him. My feelings don't matter, but the feelings of some faggot who cut off his balls and turned his cock inside out do.

It's possible that he might have a change of heart after the tranny movement dies off, depending on how infected he is and how many trannies are in his life.

 

[biozeminadae1]

Doesn’t have to be his parents. I had a friend who turned out bi and one day he drunkenly confessed that his older brother used to rape him.

Could be a family friend, an uncle, a gym teacher, some random fucked up kid at school…

But dude, -something- has to happen to bridge the gap from “shit makes me want to throw up” to “shit gives me erections”

I don't even want to think of him as being molested.

I lost a friend this way. He slid down the slippery slope that is troonery.

I'm so sorry.

It's possible that he might have a change of heart after the tranny movement dies off, depending on how infected he is and how many trannies are in his life.

Hopefully, he'll come back to you.

 

[OrionBalls]

I have a lot of friends that don't agree with my political or religious views. It's called being a grownup. We aren't really talking politics during D&D. So, just don't talk about stupid shit that isn't part of what you guys are actually doing together.

 

[dick brain]

One of my oldest friends moved to Seattle and eventually I lost him to idpol. It happens, there's nothing you can do about it. Mourn the loss and move on.

 

[Grub]

Of course I do, we were part of one memetic lineage, so I don't want to see a someone who I considered to be of my tribe go the other way.



I think my reaction is normal.



People can be willfully ignorant. Putting aside the wider LGBT, transgenders do not want to seek help for their condition, they purposefully indulge in their sexual fetishes and produce them publicly, and they try to subvert the mores and norms of society. I don't have to subscribe to their interpretation of Enlightenment-era values. I don't care about their feelings of entitlement of certain freedoms they think they should posses.

My hate is entirely warranted.

People change, people move on, that's life. It sounds like that's what happened with your buddy. I can tell you from experience you guys probably won't be friends any more. At least not the way you used to be. The best thing you can do is to just lay off. Accept it and move on, you never know, in a few years your buddy might miss you and try to get back in contact.

 

[Birdie0]

Sounds like you aren’t getting that friend back chief. I mean the only way you may get them back is to apologize even if you don’t mean it but I doubt you’re willing to do that lol.

 

[eatler]

I don’t think being bi is the worst thing that could happen to him, sure ok if he actually follows through with it its gay sex that your not a fan of. At least he’s not taking a pair of o to his grundle and calling himself a woman. The bigger issue it seems is you both can’t function without it being a political argument. I think you need to learn what a cafe friend is. Someone you grab dinner or coffee with have your talks, if something you disagree with pops up just ignore it and change conversation.

It’s a hard reality of life that we have to tolerate people who make the worst decisions. I live with someone currently who constantly complains about “the bpds” and is constantly complaining about how they can get laid even though they’re obese and most of the problems stem from them. But we still have to live together because we’re broke ass niggas who can’t afford houses if we tried. I think you have to prioritize do you want a friend where you don’t agree with them but they’re ok to talk to, or are you ok with being a loner more often.

I think you should watch the episode of American dad where he finds out his friends an atheist and he tries to change him.

 

[Spruce Supremacist]

I feel you man, it sucks when people are willing to ditch their life-long friends over disagreements, especially ones that are rooted in politics. But if you look at it from a different point of view, do you really want to be involved with someone who only tolerates your company as long as you agree with them unconditionally? As harsh as it sounds, considering their stance, maybe it's for the better.