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https://www.theguardian.com/technol...try-wealth-futurism-transhumanism-singularity

‘The Event was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, virus, or hack that takes everything down.’

Last year, I got invited to a super-deluxe private resort to deliver a keynote speech to what I assumed would be a hundred or so investment bankers. It was by far the largest fee I had ever been offered for a talk – about half my annual professor’s salary – all to deliver some insight on the subject of “the future of technology”.

I’ve never liked talking about the future. The Q&A sessions always end up more like parlor games, where I’m asked to opine on the latest technology buzzwords as if they were ticker symbols for potential investments: blockchain, 3D printing, Crispr. The audiences are rarely interested in learning about these technologies or their potential impacts beyond the binary choice of whether or not to invest in them. But money talks, so I took the gig.

After I arrived, I was ushered into what I thought was the green room. But instead of being wired with a microphone or taken to a stage, I just sat there at a plain round table as my audience was brought to me: five super-wealthy guys – yes, all men – from the upper echelon of the hedge fund world. After a bit of small talk, I realized they had no interest in the information I had prepared about the future of technology. They had come with questions of their own.

They started out innocuously enough. Ethereum or bitcoin? Is quantum computing a real thing? Slowly but surely, however, they edged into their real topics of concern.

Which region will be less affected by the coming climate crisis: New Zealand or Alaska? Is Google really building Ray Kurzweil a home for his brain, and will his consciousness live through the transition, or will it die and be reborn as a whole new one? Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system and asked: “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the Event?”

The Event. That was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, unstoppable virus, or Mr Robot hack that takes everything down.

It’s a reduction of human evolution to a video game won by finding the escape hatch and bringing BFFs along for the ride

This single question occupied us for the rest of the hour. They knew armed guards would be required to protect their compounds from the angry mobs. But how would they pay the guards once money was worthless? What would stop the guards from choosing their own leader? The billionaires considered using special combination locks on the food supply that only they knew. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers – if that technology could be developed in time.

That’s when it hit me: at least as far as these gentlemen were concerned, this was a talk about the future of technology. Taking their cue from Elon Musk colonizing Mars, Peter Thiel reversing the ageing process, or Sam Altman and Ray Kurzweil uploading their minds into supercomputers, they were preparing for a digital future that had a whole lot less to do with making the world a better place than it did with transcending the human condition altogether and insulating themselves from a very real and present danger of climate change, rising sea levels, mass migrations, global pandemics, nativist panic, and resource depletion. For them, the future of technology is really about just one thing: escape.

There’s nothing wrong with madly optimistic appraisals of how technology might benefit human society. But the current drive for a post-human utopia is something else. It’s less a vision for the wholesale migration of humanity to a new a state of being than a quest to transcend all that is human: the body, interdependence, compassion, vulnerability, and complexity. As technology philosophers have been pointing out for years, now, the transhumanist vision too easily reduces all of reality to data, concluding that “humans are nothing but information-processing objects”.

It’s a reduction of human evolution to a video game that someone wins by finding the escape hatch and then letting a few of his BFFs come along for the ride. Will it be Musk, Bezos, Thiel … Zuckerberg? These billionaires are the presumptive winners of the digital economy – the same survival-of-the-fittest business landscape that’s fueling most of this speculation to begin with.

Of course, it wasn’t always this way. There was a brief moment, in the early 1990s, when the digital future felt open-ended and up for our invention. Technology was becoming a playground for the counterculture, who saw in it the opportunity to create a more inclusive, distributed, and pro-human future. But established business interests only saw new potentials for the same old extraction, and too many technologists were seduced by unicorn IPOs. Digital futures became understood more like stock futures or cotton futures – something to predict and make bets on. So nearly every speech, article, study, documentary, or white paper was seen as relevant only insofar as it pointed to a ticker symbol. The future became less a thing we create through our present-day choices or hopes for humankind than a predestined scenario we bet on with our venture capital but arrive at passively.

This freed everyone from the moral implications of their activities. Technology development became less a story of collective flourishing than personal survival. Worse, as I learned, to call attention to any of this was to unintentionally cast oneself as an enemy of the market or an anti-technology curmudgeon.

So instead of considering the practical ethics of impoverishing and exploiting the many in the name of the few, most academics, journalists, and science fiction writers instead considered much more abstract and fanciful conundrums: is it fair for a stock trader to use smart drugs? Should children get implants for foreign languages? Do we want autonomous vehicles to prioritize the lives of pedestrians over those of its passengers? Should the first Mars colonies be run as democracies? Does changing my DNA undermine my identity? Should robots have rights?

Asking these sorts of questions, while philosophically entertaining, is a poor substitute for wrestling with the real moral quandaries associated with unbridled technological development in the name of corporate capitalism. Digital platforms have turned an already exploitative and extractive marketplace (think Walmart) into an even more dehumanizing successor (think Amazon). Most of us became aware of these downsides in the form of automated jobs, the gig economy, and the demise of local retail.

But the more devastating impacts of pedal-to-the-metal digital capitalism fall on the environment and global poor. The manufacture of some of our computers and smartphones still uses networks of slave labor. These practices are so deeply entrenched that a company called Fairphone, founded from the ground up to make and market ethical phones, learned it was impossible. (The company’s founder now sadly refers to their products as “fairer” phones.)

Meanwhile, the mining of rare earth metals and disposal of our highly digital technologies destroys human habitats, replacing them with toxic waste dumps, which are then picked over by peasant children and their families, who sell usable materials back to the manufacturers.

This “out of sight, out of mind” externalization of poverty and poison doesn’t go away just because we’ve covered our eyes with VR goggles and immersed ourselves in an alternate reality. If anything, the longer we ignore the social, economic, and environmental repercussions, the more of a problem they become. This, in turn, motivates even more withdrawal, more isolationism and apocalyptic fantasy – and more desperately concocted technologies and business plans. The cycle feeds itself.

The more committed we are to this view of the world, the more we come to see human beings as the problem and technology as the solution. The very essence of what it means to be human is treated less as a feature than a bug. No matter their embedded biases, technologies are declared neutral. Any bad behaviors they induce in us are just a reflection of our own corrupted core. It’s as if some innate human savagery is to blame for our troubles. Just as the inefficiency of a local taxi market can be “solved” with an app that bankrupts human drivers, the vexing inconsistencies of the human psyche can be corrected with a digital or genetic upgrade.

Ultimately, according to the technosolutionist orthodoxy, the human future climaxes by uploading our consciousness to a computer or, perhaps better, accepting that technology itself is our evolutionary successor. Like members of a gnostic cult, we long to enter the next transcendent phase of our development, shedding our bodies and leaving them behind, along with our sins and troubles.

Our movies and television shows play out these fantasies for us. Zombie shows depict a post-apocalypse where people are no better than the undead – and seem to know it. Worse, these shows invite viewers to imagine the future as a zero-sum battle between the remaining humans, where one group’s survival is dependent on another one’s demise. Even Westworld – based on a science fiction novel in which robots run amok – ended its second season with the ultimate reveal: human beings are simpler and more predictable than the artificial intelligences we create. The robots learn that each of us can be reduced to just a few lines of code, and that we’re incapable of making any willful choices. Heck, even the robots in that show want to escape the confines of their bodies and spend their rest of their lives in a computer simulation.

The mental gymnastics required for such a profound role reversal between humans and machines all depend on the underlying assumption that humans suck. Let’s either change them or get away from them, forever.

Thus, we get tech billionaires launching electric cars into space – as if this symbolizes something more than one billionaire’s capacity for corporate promotion. And if a few people do reach escape velocity and somehow survive in a bubble on Mars – despite our inability to maintain such a bubble even here on Earth in either of two multibillion-dollar biosphere trials – the result will be less a continuation of the human diaspora than a lifeboat for the elite.
 
This whole article could be TL;DR'd as "Techie with possible communist sympathies surprised that rich and powerful people who got to where they are by being ruthlessly selfish assholes are ruthless and selfish assholes". Taking the author at their word that this happened, it's fucking amazing not only that the author is surprised by the attitudes of these people that he met with, but that he's seemingly only just recently understanding that a lot of what gets made for first-world consumers nowadays comes from one form or another of slave labor. The fact that this idiot can even write this:

It’s as if some innate human savagery is to blame for our troubles.

unironically just blows my mind. I know that a lot of people joke about this exact kind of person not knowing their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to how the real world works, but holy shit.

I'm going to go on a different tack here and suggest that the events described in this article are at best wildly exaggerated, and at worst wholly fabricated. As people have pointed out, you're not going to see tech pioneers being dumb enough to try to get shock collars onto their post apocalyptic security force.

I think you grossly underestimate the ability of an affluent person to look at their fellow humans as nothing more than meat-sacks that exist to do their bidding. If I were this author I would've told them that the shock collars were a great idea just so that if, in the off chance that some calamity that would necessitate it does strike, I could die laughing knowing that at least five assholes are gonna get Gaddafi'd within the first month.

IMO the problem with all "prepare for doomsday" people is that all the scenarios have such negligible odds of happening, you can't fully prepare for all of them, or any, honestly. The best you could probably hope for is a more expensive version of When the Wind Blows. Or dying in the initial kick-off event, unable to get to your bunker.

Personally I'm betting on either a rogue micro black hole or meteor, with the third bet being grey goo.
 
The taxi market thing is retarded. The existing taxi market is a scam run by the mob. You ever look into taxi medallions? They're retardedly expensive and only exist for taxi companies to control the market. A single taxi medallion (license) in NYC hit over $1 million in 2013, for example.

The average income for a taxi driver is like $25k/year. You can make several times that with uber or lyft. (Admittedly, you pay for your own car and insurance, but ultimately you still come out ahead.) There's also better competition between taxi companies to because any dweeb in bumfuck nowhere can write an app.
IMO the problem with all "prepare for doomsday" people is that all the scenarios have such negligible odds of happening, you can't fully prepare for all of them, or any, honestly. The best you could probably hope for is a more expensive version of When the Wind Blows. Or dying in the initial kick-off event, unable to get to your bunker.
It's pretty much like security theater. Investing in any one doomsday scenario is retarded because there's a billion and one possible scenarios.

Furthermore, I'm not even convinced doomsday scenarios (even if you tried really hard to engineer one) are all that effective. Billions of intelligent creatures with the internet at their disposal, aren't going to just sit down and take it.

Sure there are choke points, but even then, people dramatically underestimate human ingenuity when it comes to survival.
:powerlevel: One of my cousins knows a college-educated guy who is 100% serious about preparing for the zombie apocalypse. He thinks it's coming any day. It will be just like the movies--but not the "Return of" movies where zombies are invincible. That's too unrealistic, of course.
What a dumbass. College-educated in what? Certainly not any of the hard sciences.
 
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It is clear what we must do. We must replace the weak flesh with blessed metal and so we don't need silly food growing domes on Mars, just solar panels and reactors, which we can do!
 
...and that billionare's name was Albert Einstein.



Gee, I wonder if there is a particular axe that this author is trying to grind...


Perhaps, but, the author does have a bit of a point that nebulous worship of "science" has replaced organized religion to some, with prayer and charitable deeds as a path to salvation replaced with buying into tech crazes and getting social media likes for following the "right" path of history while the heathen around you go to Hell for clearly backing the wrong horse.

I had a roommate once who vehemently hated religion and "stupid people" for holding the world back, but was ignorant that he wasn't any better than the rabble he hated on since he could barely hold down a job for more than a year without being fired for his acerbic personality, flunked out of college for failing remedial level courses and got angry if you suggested there were scientific errors on Star Trek, because pointing out problems with the transporter that actual physicists had raised meant you "Didn't get it".

But I don't think it's proof of some kind of special society-endangering rot like the author apparently does, it's just a natural outcome when you socially pressure people that traditional western religion is stupid. They don't stop believing in their own moral superiority that self-assuredly will be proven right, they just start praying at a different altar. One man's rapture is another man's meteorite impact.

It's the human condition to believe ones choices to be the self-evident "correct" way to live and that all the world's problems would go away if the sheep would just start thinking like you do, and that your personal piety will be rewarded in the end and shield you from the uncomfortable reality that your life is just as fragile as the next man's and a random falling tree could kill you as assuredly as the poorest of poor or the richest of kings.

Your life simply cannot be a meaningless exercise, it has meaning. (Or, at the end of day, is more meaningful than your supposed moral inferiors, because you thought big thoughts they couldn't comprehend and died with a collection of neat gadgets after fulfilling your biological purpose of reproducing and surviving as long as you could, just like they did, too.)

Eventually, if it really is a thing, the tech worship will cause a backlash and return to traditional religion when secular transhumanism ultimately fails to deliver utopia any better than the Religious Right claimed they could by banning Dungeons and Dragons and putting a Bible in every hotel room. And survivalists have been a thing for a very long time,the fact that only recently they've started stocking up on bitcoin and facebook likes instead of Bibles and ammo doesn't make them any less foolish than those who came before them.
 
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If the world ends these no gun leftists are going to be begging for us back wards exceptional individuals to save them.

They don't have much wealth in regards to the real world if things end, no one cares what shares you have when we are in a mad max world. These people are so disconnected they are prepping, by buying more ipods.
Reminds me of this lady from Doomsday Preppers.
I love how the barefooted soyboy hippie thinks he'll get a chance to kill marauders.
So, they think that they're going to get shock collars onto their security guards? or will somehow manage to resist torture long enough to keep the secret combination on the food safe that the heavily armed men with guns and empty stomachs will give up?

No wonder the world is going to hell with these cucks at the helm.
Hell all they have to do is give them a noogie and maybe a swirly and they'll give up the code. Or you know...cannibalism also works.

These guys are this rich and well connected and they can't even look up the Continuity of Government studies, experiments, and theory crafting?

They deserve to have their guards sodomize them until they give up the keycodes to the shock collars and food cabinets.

(Easiest way to ensure their guard's loyalty? Let them bring their families.)
That still won't save them. The guys with the guns will simply enslave the wimps and take their women.

I love how these pricks think they'll be spared when the apocalypse comes :story:
The hubris of those nerds is amusing.

IMO the problem with all "prepare for doomsday" people is that all the scenarios have such negligible odds of happening, you can't fully prepare for all of them, or any, honestly. The best you could probably hope for is a more expensive version of When the Wind Blows. Or dying in the initial kick-off event, unable to get to your bunker.

:powerlevel: One of my cousins knows a college-educated guy who is 100% serious about preparing for the zombie apocalypse. He thinks it's coming any day. It will be just like the movies--but not the "Return of" movies where zombies are invincible. That's too unrealistic, of course.
I prep for actual emergencies like storms, fires, civil unrest (if it ever comes to that and I'm talking riots), and you know a depression. The likelihood of the world "ending" like you see in movies is retarded. It's more likely you have a country collapse or a major war happen. It will pass but it's good to be prepared. Having fantasies of running around playing Army is unhealthy.

All the money in the planet can’t save you from Apocalypse:

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Espcially when he's gonna be doing this:
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This isn't anything new. Back in the day, people with too much money and time on their hands pegged academics to teach them how to survive nuclear war. Then it was overpopulation and no food. Then, when the food crisis was solved, water was the hot button topic. Then gas.

Now it's some amalgamation of "bad things" that no one can describe so they call it "the event".

I hate to break it to you, but human society does not end with a bang. It'll be a long, slow process of decay. These super-elites, if this event even really happened, will be long dead by the time any of the hairbrained plans they are cooking up would be required.

Every one of us posting on this shitty website will be dead and buried by the time anyone should worry about how "bad" things are getting. This is an awkward phase of our history as a species, if previous trends hold up. Best we can hope for is to be entertained. There ain't gonna be a breakdown of society unless there's an asteroid strike or something. Which is supremely unlikely.
 
This seems really faked and exaggerated to me. "How do I keep my power with money when my money is worthless?" you don't unless you keep worthwhile resources like food and shelter after "The Event". Why would billionaires not be smart enough to figure out that the guards would just kill them?

Instead of having armed guards that have no loyalty guarding your little apoc bunker, couldn't you just use the resources you have as a billionaire to y'know....build a better society after it's collapse? Because if YOU were able to survive this apocalypse then other people probably did too (unless you escaped to mars or some shit, but good luck with living long enough to see mars colonization technology be created.)

Has anyone in this article, including the author actually interacted with another human being before?
 
What a bunch of miserable, soulless individuals.
Yep, this guy really brings up great points on how to actually survive.
https://www.oftwominds.com/blogjun08/survival6-08.html

Basically it's "be a part of a community and help people out" which makes more sense. We survived as a species with the whole strength in numbers and working together bit.

This seems really faked and exaggerated to me. "How do I keep my power with money when my money is worthless?" you don't unless you keep worthwhile resources like food and shelter after "The Event". Why would billionaires not be smart enough to figure out that the guards would just kill them?

Instead of having armed guards that have no loyalty guarding your little apoc bunker, couldn't you just use the resources you have as a billionaire to y'know....build a better society after it's collapse? Because if YOU were able to survive this apocalypse then other people probably did too (unless you escaped to mars or some shit, but good luck with living long enough to see mars colonization technology be created.)

Has anyone in this article, including the author actually interacted with another human being before?
Probably not. Hence why if the unlikely situations they are talking about happen, they'll live as eunuch serving up their booty hole to some crazed warlord (or if they're an attractive female, a harem slave) and his band of land pirates or just killed. Probably in a horrible way as a form of entertainment for band of armed maniacs.

This isn't anything new. Back in the day, people with too much money and time on their hands pegged academics to teach them how to survive nuclear war. Then it was overpopulation and no food. Then, when the food crisis was solved, water was the hot button topic. Then gas.

Now it's some amalgamation of "bad things" that no one can describe so they call it "the event".

I hate to break it to you, but human society does not end with a bang. It'll be a long, slow process of decay. These super-elites, if this event even really happened, will be long dead by the time any of the hairbrained plans they are cooking up would be required.

Every one of us posting on this shitty website will be dead and buried by the time anyone should worry about how "bad" things are getting. This is an awkward phase of our history as a species, if previous trends hold up. Best we can hope for is to be entertained. There ain't gonna be a breakdown of society unless there's an asteroid strike or something. Which is supremely unlikely.
Even if there is a breakdown it wouldn't last forever. We have a lot of things in place to prevent it going to complete shit. Food has never been so abundant, the world as stable as it is now (yes there are bad parts and wars but it's a lot safer than it has ever been), and things like disease being kept in check by modern medicine.

The kind of societal collapse these idiots seem to be dreaming of is long gone. We humans are a very persistent and stubborn bunch. It'll take more than an economic collapse or whatever to kill us all off. If it comes to that, you'll envy the dead.

Perhaps, but, the author does have a bit of a point that nebulous worship of "science" has replaced organized religion to some, with prayer and charitable deeds as a path to salvation replaced with buying into tech crazes and getting social media likes for following the "right" path of history while the heathen around you go to Hell for clearly backing the wrong horse.

I had a roommate once who vehemently hated religion and "stupid people" for holding the world back, but was ignorant that he wasn't any better than the rabble he hated on since he could barely hold down a job for more than a year without being fired for his acerbic personality, flunked out of college for failing remedial level courses and got angry if you suggested there were scientific errors on Star Trek, because pointing out problems with the transporter that actual physicists had raised meant you "Didn't get it".

But I don't think it's proof of some kind of special society-endangering rot like the author apparently does, it's just a natural outcome when you socially pressure people that traditional western religion is stupid. They don't stop believing in their own moral superiority that self-assuredly will be proven right, they just start praying at a different altar. One man's rapture is another man's meteorite impact.

It's the human condition to believe ones choices to be the self-evident "correct" way to live and that all the world's problems would go away if the sheep would just start thinking like you do, and that your personal piety will be rewarded in the end and shield you from the uncomfortable reality that your life is just as fragile as the next man's and a random falling tree could kill you as assuredly as the poorest of poor or the richest of kings.

Your life simply cannot be a meaningless exercise, it has meaning. (Or, at the end of day, is more meaningful than your supposed moral inferiors, because you thought big thoughts they couldn't comprehend and died with a collection of neat gadgets after fulfilling your biological purpose of reproducing and surviving as long as you could, just like they did, too.)

Eventually, if it really is a thing, the tech worship will cause a backlash and return to traditional religion when secular transhumanism ultimately fails to deliver utopia any better than the Religious Right claimed they could by banning Dungeons and Dragons and putting a Bible in every hotel room. And survivalists have been a thing for a very long time,the fact that only recently they've started stocking up on bitcoin and facebook likes instead of Bibles and ammo doesn't make them any less foolish than those who came before them.
I used to be just like your roommate. It's interesting how socializing will help with a lot of those problems. Having entered the real world as an angry little punk helped me quickly learn I wasn't some wise sage but a young kid with no real world experience. I think now in my 30's I've realized that being religious doesn't make one stupid. Having a blind faith in anything will do that. There are people out there who worship science in a bizarre way. No different from the religious fanatic they look down on because they are just as ill-informed as a bible thumper who skims passages for justification for their shitty behavior.

Also I find it funny he seems to be all up in Roddenberry's ass when there are episodes of Star Trek that insult running on pure logic. The episode where Spock goes into Pawn Farr (or whatever it is called) and his wife uses the fight they have between him and Kirk to illustrate how cold and inhumane it can be. She figures either Kirk will kill him, reject her as a wife and thus freeing her up from her marriage. Or Spock kills Kirk, is so disgusted by it and leaves her.

His quip with "Very logical" shows he is shaken inside by how cold and evil pure logical thinking can be. I think the message of Star Trek was more that extremism in any form is dangerous. Also the transporter shit makes no sense at all other than a cool way to move someone. A shuttle would make more sense in real life.
 
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This whole article could be TL;DR'd as "Techie with possible communist sympathies surprised that rich and powerful people who got to where they are by being ruthlessly selfish assholes are ruthless and selfish assholes". Taking the author at their word that this happened, it's fucking amazing not only that the author is surprised by the attitudes of these people that he met with, but that he's seemingly only just recently understanding that a lot of what gets made for first-world consumers nowadays comes from one form or another of slave labor. The fact that this idiot can even write this:



unironically just blows my mind. I know that a lot of people joke about this exact kind of person not knowing their ass from a hole in the ground when it comes to how the real world works, but holy shit.



I think you grossly underestimate the ability of an affluent person to look at their fellow humans as nothing more than meat-sacks that exist to do their bidding. If I were this author I would've told them that the shock collars were a great idea just so that if, in the off chance that some calamity that would necessitate it does strike, I could die laughing knowing that at least five assholes are gonna get Gaddafi'd within the first month.



Personally I'm betting on either a rogue micro black hole or meteor, with the third bet being grey goo.
I was going to make a post saying I'm very confused at just who this article is intended for, though I think you kind of helped clear it up for me. But it still seems so nebulous - is the author mad at rich people in general? Is he betrayed and hurt by his rich tech gods specifically? Or is it about the evil privilege of people like himself (without admitting he is a part of it) who worship at the altar of technocracy blindly? The only thing I feel sure of now is what you said, no matter who he is mad at he's deluded and doesn't understand his own complicity in whatever problem it actually is he perceives. At best I think he sees rich moguls betraying the unthinking serfs that built their empires for them by sucking the techno cock that was made turgid with years of empty promises of social justice and is angered by it, but his response is just as blind and hypocritical as the very impetus that led people like him to prop these people up in the first place: "what about me? You promised equality for all, surely that means I'll be included in the paradise that can't exist without relying on inequality (but so long as I get mine I'll pretend everyone else you leave behind doesn't count)!"

If the cerebellum had a single sentence that defined its function, it would be "all signs show this never works, but surely this time will be different." And that wouldn't be a problem, except morons like this don't use their higher brain functions and actually believe the doublethink. He thinks (to paraphrase a metal gear villain) you can use inequality as a business to end inequality as a business - coincidentally this is what every smartphone manufacturer tells you with ads about bringing the world together while their tech is made by child slave labor, but I guess those people aren't part of "the world" and silicon valley's lackeys are okay with that - and somehow the sacrificial peasants are worth it even though they all expect special treatment the same way he does.
 
I'll share the real way to survive an apocalypse as a rich industrialist: Be Walt Disney. Actual Walt Disney, not the current Disney corporation. Build a town, just large enough to be self-sustaining, for your employees. Then be stupidly generous to them. Have good stuff in your town, send their kids to college, etc. Then when everything goes to shit, you have an established place with food and water and people used to doing your bidding who hopefully like you and won't be inclined to wear your skin for a hat.
 
All their money will not save them from being fucked to death by the 10-dicked creatures from the planet ygfgvggvfgh in the year 2525. If man is still alive.
 
Slightly off-topic...but let's assume for a minute you fall into the category of "well off enough to prepare, but not well off enough to build a Hugo Drax sized project to hide out and repopulate the Earth afterward". How much food and water are you going to be able to realistically set aside, assuming a nuclear war? Six months? A year? How long are you willing to live inside a buried culvert pipe to wait out the fallout? Two weeks is the minimum depending on how close to the target you are. So let's say you've got a year's supplies and you can stay down in a hole while your friends and neighbors die for the two weeks required. Everything's irradiated when you come out. Everything. A fucking scratch from a rusty nail is a death sentence. Chipped your tooth on a bit of bone in your MRE? Enjoy slowly suffering from an abscessed tooth. Assuming none of that happened, and assuming none of your neighbors kill you for letting them suffer while you gave them no help whatsoever, then what? You think after six months or a year the Safeway or Kroger is going to be open again and you can go get BOGO deals on microwave pizza rolls again? No, at that point you're going to starve and die, just six months to a year after everyone else.

It'll be the same thing for the uber-rich, just writ large.
 
Slightly off-topic...but let's assume for a minute you fall into the category of "well off enough to prepare, but not well off enough to build a Hugo Drax sized project to hide out and repopulate the Earth afterward". How much food and water are you going to be able to realistically set aside, assuming a nuclear war? Six months? A year? How long are you willing to live inside a buried culvert pipe to wait out the fallout? Two weeks is the minimum depending on how close to the target you are. So let's say you've got a year's supplies and you can stay down in a hole while your friends and neighbors die for the two weeks required. Everything's irradiated when you come out. Everything. A fucking scratch from a rusty nail is a death sentence. Chipped your tooth on a bit of bone in your MRE? Enjoy slowly suffering from an abscessed tooth. Assuming none of that happened, and assuming none of your neighbors kill you for letting them suffer while you gave them no help whatsoever, then what? You think after six months or a year the Safeway or Kroger is going to be open again and you can go get BOGO deals on microwave pizza rolls again? No, at that point you're going to starve and die, just six months to a year after everyone else.

It'll be the same thing for the uber-rich, just writ large.
At the absolute best, they think they'll be able to raid the local abandoned supermarket for an easy supply of foodstuffs because that works when you play Fallout. At best.
 
At the absolute best, they think they'll be able to raid the local abandoned supermarket for an easy supply of foodstuffs because that works when you play Fallout. At best.
Oh god when fallout 3 first came out there was a guy in one if my classes who really thought it was training on how to survive. This guy never camped, hunted, hiked, fished, etc.

He thought food would last 200 years because of preservatives.

Oh and his genius home defense plan was getting two AK rifles and putting them on these dual rifle stands that were being put out there. Essentially an ad hoc gating gun.
 
At the absolute best, they think they'll be able to raid the local abandoned supermarket for an easy supply of foodstuffs because that works when you play Fallout. At best.

Yeah; if someone finds themselves in the "Yee haw we survived the attack and the fallout and were able to hide that we could eat and drink for six months" I hope their diet includes a healthy appetite for lawn chairs, beer coozies, school supplies and rotted fish because that's all that's going to be left inside a supermarket after half a year post nuclear attack.

And I wouldn't bet the house on any of that having a 100% chance of being there, either.
 
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