🐱 How It Feels Being a 'Vanilla' Man in Bed

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In an increasingly kink-positive world, some men feel shamed for being into "conventional" sex.


After a year of bone-dry social distancing, heading to a stranger’s house for casual sex has, once again, been allowed. Increasingly, though, there’s a new worry for some men returning to the world of late-night hook ups: being too “vanilla”, AKA too stereotypically conventional in bed (whatever that means).




Take Michael, who says that he often attracts women who expect him to be “dominant” or even “aggressive” during sex. All the men in the piece requested anonymity in order to speak freely about their sexual experiences.
“There’s nothing wrong with that – if you’re into it – but one time I got with a friend of a friend and I later found out she said the sex was boring,” he says. “It felt a bit brutal to be honest, because she was tiny and I didn’t want to hurt her, but she expected to be properly thrown about.”


As kink positivity has become mainstream, so too has the idea that if you’re not into kink, you’re a boring shag. This attitude, which can veer into shaming, is clear across social media, where phrases like “choke me”, “step on my neck” and “please run me over” have become totally casualways of saying you fancy someone. On the other end of the spectrum, “just say you're vanilla and boring and go” is now an insult.
Off the back of this trend, young people who aren’t into violent or kinky sex are the subject of mockery in TikTok videos that have been viewed millions of times. Writer Lucy Robinson recently delved into #FreakTok – a subculture where the line between kink positivity and vanilla shaming is regularly blurred – and thinks some of the videos make uncomfortable viewing.


“One of a girl encouraging her reluctant boyfriend to choke her, has 1.1 million views,” she wrote of a video that has since been made private. “Another, of a user mocking viewers for being quote-unquote ‘vanilla’ has 78,000 likes.”


In pop culture too, we don’t have to look far to find men who are put down for not being into kink. Charlie, from HBO drama Girls, is a classic millennial example: in the very first episode he’s described by his girlfriend Marnie as “having a vagina” and touching her “like a weird uncle on Thanksgiving”, for being too affectionate inside and outside the bedroom. She soon leaves him for an artist with much (much) kinkier tastes.
For some men, trying to navigate this new kink-positive era can be confusing – particularly for guys who are vanilla themselves.
Ben, 25, has noticed an uptick in women being more forward with certain kinks on dating apps, where he thinks there is often an assumption that men should be dominant.
“It can feel a bit awkward when they say things like ‘I’m looking for a REAL man to control me’ or whatever,” says Ben. “I’m not bothered about women being forward on apps, because I’d rather know what they’re into and it’s just texting. I just don’t agree that being a man means being kinky or forceful.”



In some ways, porn has a lot to answer for, with a 2010 study finding that 88 percent of the 304 scenes analysed contained physical aggression, predominantly toward women from men. Currently, women are also more likely to be on the receiving end of unwanted behaviour, with a 2019 survey of 2002 UK women aged between 18-39 finding that 38 percent experienced unwanted physical aggression during consensual sex.


With this in mind, some men are increasingly wary of overstepping during sex, but also feel pressure not to be perceived as boring compared to what seems to be becoming the new norm. Striking this balance is partly why Ben likes to keep things vanilla at first, especially with new partners, where he says it can take time to work out what is fantasy and reality.
“It’s happened before where we’ve met up and I’ve not been sure how hard she wanted me to choke her if she asks for that during sex, or if she’s as into that as she was over messages,” he says. “You might be taking it too far, or not far enough. You don’t want to overstep, or bore her. It can be distracting!”
Understandably, kink makes some men nervous – particularly if they feel there’s an expectation for them to take the lead, or else their masculinity gets called into question. But this type of emasculation isn’t just happening in bedrooms, or in group chats where sexual encounters are gleefully unpacked with friends moments after they end. It’s being displayed publicly on social media too.




Brad, 26, feels like there’s a double standard at play when it comes to how sex with men is discussed on social media, which makes him feel self-conscious.


“There’s been a few times where I’ve seen guys being made fun of for being too conventional sexually, mostly in screengrabs of texts but a few times talking about the actual sex being boring,” he says. “But it takes two to make [sex] fun and I’m not sure it’s fair to make out that’s one person’s job. When men say shit like that about women it’s rightly called out – or should be, I think!”
It’s not just straight men who are affected by this type of online chat. Mitch, 27, describes his sexual tastes as “open”, but he’s noticed a particular stigma towards gay men who aren’t hugely into kink.
“Especially now that kink is more spoken of, which is great, there comes that stigma that you need to be kinky to have sex,” he says. “You see it constantly on the Twitter timeline: ‘Oh, you’re not into spit? Gross’. Or ‘You don’t like feet and pits? What’s the point?’ The way some gay men will literally shame others for not being ‘kinky’ or ‘kinky enough’ is so weird.”
In a similar way to the young people of #FreakTok rebelling against their “conventional” elders, a high prevalence of vanilla-shaming among gay men might be some sort of rejection of more “basic” heterosexual norms. After all, homosexuality was once considered to be a kink in itself, and there’s a long, political history of queer kink and fetish communities helping LGBTQ+ people to resist oppression. When iPhones arrived, gay men were among the first demographics to widely embrace fetish and hookup apps, too. But it can surely be alienating for queer men who’ve faced stigma and marginalisation relating to their sexual orientation to then be shamed by their peers for their supposedly “vanilla” sexual tastes.
As “Freedom Day” approaches, we’re hurtling towards a summer of safe (and legal) sex, finally free from the fear that Priti Patel will turn up to arrest us halfway through. But just as it's crucial to discourage kink-shaming, respecting that kinks aren't for some people is also important.
“If they’re not kinky, it doesn’t mean that they’re incapable of great sex. I think people conflate the two,” Mitch says. “You don’t need to be kinky to be good in bed.”
 
I feel like everyone but journos were in already on this idea. Lots of people are vanilla and being into kink doesn’t automatically mean you have a better sex life. Depending on the kink, it can be really hard to find someone sexually compatible.
 
Kink is disgusting.

Take Michael, who says that he often attracts women who expect him to be “dominant” or even “aggressive” during sex. All the men in the piece requested anonymity in order to speak freely about their sexual experiences.

Pretty sure that a dominant man doesn’t let himself be told how he should “act” in a sexual sense. Just tell her that her first lesson in being with a controlling man is this: he will not let himself by controlled by her.

Anyway sex isn’t supposed to be “interesting,” it’s supposed to make your meatsuit feel good and also help you feel closer to your partner, Did it feel good? Did you feel closer? If not, ok, but that isn’t the same thing as being boring. What I suspect is that these individuals never even think about the way it makes them feel because it doesn’t make them feel much of anything, they’re so desensitized. They’re demanding their perfectly normal partners escalate in degeneracy because they themselves have done so until they can’t even get off without making an entire production about it.
 
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Kinks only become a problem when people force them onto everyone else and then cry when they aren't accepted by everyone. That's just how it is and you need to get the hell over it, everyone is different. Embrace your weirdness, but don't force it on strangers or random ass uninterested people.
 
Damaged white bitches with daddy issues and a head full of YA novels are the "kinky" ones. They're the type who string you along in bed alternating between "no" and grabbing your cock, trying to get you to "rape" them. They call the black dudes they can get to fuck them "nigger" en media res. If a bitch is into kink, she's probably crazier than a shithouse rat. Run while you still can.
 
I reckon "kink" is something you get into because you're stupid and your imagination (fueled by porn or not) is inadequately tempered, or because you've already had so much sex you burned out your pairbonding capabilities and you need more shock to get yourself off.
Me, I want physical intimacy that's simple, "curious", and a bit cheeky on both sides (it's hard to describe precisely and I don't think I need to or should, so bear with it). I'm accepting that that's not a privilege I get as a male, that I'll have to assume a dominant position or face the heavy risk of being emasculated in the mind of the other party, and that it'll sometimes be desired that I assume an aggressive position on top of that. Still, I've experienced the expectation (the woman wanted me to shove her down as a prelude to making out, and she was particular about the level of force), and it's mentally exhausting in hindsight if only because of the kind of person that desires all of that.
 
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I got my kinks, sure but I dont force them upon anyone, especially if my partner isnt comfortable with it

This shit is pathetic. Sex is all they care about.
 
yet another hornypost someone got paid for.
When am I going to get paid for my dissertation on Differences in Elf subspecies culture of pubic care hmm? I can hornypost much better than this trite.
 
"kinks" as a serious interest or lifestyle = overcompensation for fried dopamine receptors. I seriously think instant access to porn at any time has fucked people's brain chemistry.
 
I don't get it, women want you to slap them but you start beating them and they lose their minds.
 
I don't get it, women want you to slap them but you start beating them and they lose their minds.
Men are dispensaries.

Money dispensaries, dick dispensaries (but not sperm dispensaries in most cases, surprisingly), and-- apparently-- dispensaries of hands.
 
If one of your life goals is to have a life partner and are not in a committed relationship with someone you respect and who respects you by your early 20s you're fucked. Just saying.
 
Huh! Shallow women on the dating apps! Color me surprised. And how hard is it to choke someone. Just grab the arteries on the side of the neck.
Damaged white bitches with daddy issues and a head full of YA novels are the "kinky" ones. They're the type who string you along in bed alternating between "no" and grabbing your cock, trying to get you to "rape" them. They call the black dudes they can get to fuck them "nigger" en media res. If a bitch is into kink, she's probably crazier than a shithouse rat. Run while you still can.
Crazy Chicks are hot and it isn't open to debate
I don't get it, women want you to slap them but you start beating them and they lose their minds.
They want to be degraded but have their own distinct personal boundaries. For some jizzing on the face is too demeaning or whore-like
 
I wouldn't ask a woman to eat my rancid asshole so I'd expect the same courtesy. Sorry if that isn't stylish or makes me old fashioned, whore.

If one of your life goals is to have a life partner and are not in a committed relationship with someone you respect and who respects you by your early 20s you're fucked. Just saying.

You're only fucked if you don't want them to be ugly, fat or religious. (possibly all three)
 
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