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“How to stop a civil war” says the cover of the latest Atlantic magazine. I can suggest a fix: the international community should intervene in the US. Of course Americans have a right to self-determination but the priority now is saving democracy.
It’s hard to assess the risk of political violence, given the US tradition of everyday gunslinging: the rival candidates for state elections in Montana, who each made adsshowing themselves firing rifles at television screens, looked like actors playing Afghan warlords. Still, the recent ethnopolitical terror attacks in El Paso, Pittsburgh and elsewhere were shocking even by US standards.
The much tamer UK needs watching too. Like Americans, Britons have been upgrading their political views into their identities and dismissing opponents as traitors. Both countries now intend to resolve their conflict with winner-take-all elections.
Such scenarios rarely end well, warns former Yemeni government minister Rafat Al-Akhali, a fellow at Oxford’s Blavatnik School of Government. He says: “A lot of people in the regions that we work with thought we had to transfer their experiences of national dialogue to the UK and other countries.” So what should interventions in the US and potentially Britain look like?
Washington used to advocate a set schedule for countries in conflict. A binary election only worsens polarisation. Instead, says Al-Akhali, the first step is power sharing: a transitional government that includes all conflicting sides.
Next comes an Afghan-style loya jirga, or grand assembly, to kick off a national dialogue. Yemen’s brought together political parties, but also youth, women, civil society, southern secessionists and northern Houthi rebels. A US dialogue could look remarkably similar.
Given the death of truth, a South African-style Truth and Reconciliation Commission wouldn’t work in the US. Americans may also need to abandon the polarising impeachment of Donald Trump and let him seek exile in a friendly country: the model could be Ukraine’s kleptocratic pro-Kremlin former president Viktor Yanukovich, now based out of Russia.
The loya jirga writes a new constitution. This would be Britain’s first, and for the US, a much-needed update of its antiquated 1787 document. Japanese jurists could help draft it as a thank you to Americans for writing Japan’s excellent 1947 constitution.
The new text would dispense with vagaries such as “high crimes and misdemeanours”, define presidential corruption and end political control of the judiciary. If it’s undemocratic for the Polish or Hungarian governments to appoint judges, why can the US president do it?
The new constitution must cantonise the US, going way beyond “states’ rights” to neighbourhood rights. The smaller the units of power, the less important becomes the national political conflict. The US’s second republic will also need a new electoral system that favours coalitions instead of winner-takes-all rule.
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The new constitution must also tackle foreign election-meddling. Ideally, a non-partisan institution would be put in charge of handling this, but the only one now somewhat trusted across the American divide is the military, and you generally don’t want soldiers in post-conflict transitions.
After Russia’s successes in the US and UK in 2016, half the world will be interfering in the next elections. Indeed, a British support group for India’s ruling Hindu nationalist BJP party boasts of campaigning for the Tories in 48 marginal seats. British Conservatives and US Republicans may welcome the help, but they should realise there’s at least a theoretical possibility that foreign powers might one day shift to their opponents.
In fact, if Russia feels any need to hasten Britain’s break-up and international isolation, it can already choose between Boris Johnson, Jeremy Corbyn, the Brexit party, the Scottish Nationalists, Sinn Féin and Plaid Cymru, while encouraging infighting between Remain parties.
Once the new constitution is signed, it’s time for closely scrutinised elections. Even before the US elections of 2000, the journalist Christopher Hitchens wrote: “The United States loves nothing better than to certify other countries’ ballots as ‘free and fair’, so there can hardly be any principled objection to a delegation of monitors from democratic nations taking up position, pens in hand, as America makes its ‘choice.’”
If only he’d been listened to. The problem is worse today: given gerrymandering and voter suppression, states such as North Carolina and Georgia are no longer full democracies. Tories are learning from Republicans: they’re now planning to make voters show identification, precisely because many poorer Britons don’t have any.
Whoever becomes leader must reach out. Andrew Yang, a no-hope Democratic candidate, has it right: “After I win the . . . election, my plan is to go to the district that voted for me the least in the entire country and say, ‘I know you didn’t support me, but I will be your president too.’”
But let’s not get over-optimistic. At best, intervention will freeze the US’s overlapping ethnic, economic and regional conflicts. The question for the international community then becomes: how much blood and treasure is it willing to expend on a country that may not be ready for democracy?

 
Wow that was one retarded read. Imagine being so cucked that you think the US and her citizens would actually need another nations help during a war lmao. We could declare war on almost the entire world and come out on top or at the least a stalemate. Any foreign army would dread getting onto our shores.

First sentence already talking about some hypothetical civil war in the modern US. ITS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN THIS FUCKING HALF OF THE CENTURY

"The new constitution must cantonise the US, going way beyond “states’ rights” to neighbourhood rights." This might be the smartest sentence in the entire article. I can somewhat get behind this. Maybe not to a "neighbourhood" level, but to a level that gives the feds less power.

"But let’s not get over-optimistic. At best, intervention will freeze the US’s overlapping ethnic, economic and regional conflicts. The question for the international community then becomes: how much blood and treasure is it willing to expend on a country that may not be ready for democracy?"
I don't know why this dumbass thinks the other republics and democracies of the world have gotten it perfect when they suffer from very similar if not worse problems than the US. The US is still the current world hegemon, and any nation that goes "your way of life, and government just doesn't work" is pretty laughable.

Besides, if shit hits the fan in the US on the scale foreign intervention is needed people will be scrambling too hard to keep their economies from crashing to be able to fucking do anything. Nevermind the international conflicts that would start happening once a couple of nations realize that the US cannot protect it's allies at the moment.
 
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You know what? Fucking do it, international community. I double dog dare you. These idiots enjoying our protection could use a reminder of where all the wasted money on social programs and bullshit should be going, as in, ways to blow your ass up.

Enjoy being conquered by China and Russia when you lose your only meaningful military ally.
 
If the US goes into a civil war the rest of the international community will be far to busy to worry about intervening. Also the end result of any US civil war will be one side winning outright over the other. Americans view politics as a full contact sport and we have in the past used war as a tool to win internal political arguments. But I seriously doubt any hypothetical civil war ends in America balkanizing. The kind of historic, religious, racial and linguistic fault lines that exist in the Balkans do not exist in America.

Worst case scenario is Chinas warring states or three kingdoms period. Eventually someone will take the whole shebang. Either in a couple of years or a couple of centuries. And eve during such a hypothetical period the international community plays with fire because even 3 US States...let's say Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana, would have enough force to fight any individual great power.
 
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But I seriously doubt any hypothetical civil war ends in America balkanizing. The kind of historic, religious, racial and linguistic fault lines that exist in the Balkans do not exist in America.
What about California and New York versus the rest of the country? Or even singular cities in otherwise "normal" states such as Seattle or Portland, or even Austin?
 
Lol, he's assuming any power in the world has the ability to successfully invade the US. They don't. Not logistically, not in numbers, not in air power, not in sea power, not in land power. Assuming the armed forces of the US resist (they would), not a single ship or aircraft would survive to reach the US mainland. Even if they could, they'd still have to subdue millions and millions of armed Americans, including cops, private citizens, the National Guard, and the Regular Army. How would they logistically sustain the vast amounts of troops and equipment necessary? It's a pipe dream, and a particularly repulsive one at that.

There's only one country in the world with the power to project a massive amount of force anywhere in the world, and that's the US. Every country in the world could combine their navies and their air power and America would win. Other countries should beware waking the justifiable wrath of the American people. When we feel we are in right, that our cause is just, we make war with a savagery and totality no other peoples can muster. Never forget that America is the only country in the world to have used a nuclear weapon on our enemies. If our fury is aroused, the world should tremble.
 
What about California and New York versus the rest of the country? Or even singular cities in otherwise "normal" states such as Seattle or Portland, or even Austin?

The weird anti american sentiments in such regions are so localized that if a civil war did break out they would be rapidly isolated and exterminated. Northeastern California and Eastern washington both have way more in common with say...western Virginia, then they do with San Francisco or Seattle. The fault lines in America are not specifically regionally based.
 
If there is anything close to a civil war in the US the coastal liberal run "elite" cities would be wrecked faster than Grenada. There could be some rioting and antifags vs edgelord bullshit after Trump wins 2020 but if the US leftists tried civil war 2 they would loose fast and hard.
 
If the US goes into a civil war the rest of the international community will be far to busy to worry about intervening.

Considering the rusty shape they've all let their militaries descend into for the last 30 years, any foreign "intervention" in a US internal shooty-shooty would be mostly harsh letters to the editor and an offer of a Soviet, er, Russian-designed cease-fire and peace plan that also includes the caveat that if agreed to, we give the back Alaska.... ain't nobody out there got the power to project conventional forces onto even a half-strength US mainland.

In fact, doing so would probably steel everyone to stop fighting each other and turn on the "invading" force.

But this is all straight from Prof. Farnsworth's "What If?" Machine (tm) - the US is not going to have a Civil War, the milita and religious nuts wished for it for a decade (1990 - 2000) and it never came despite their poking, prodding, occasional bombings and bank robberies, and blazing-hot rhetoric.

The dangertroons break down from frog memes and don't even own guns, they won't have any better luck at it.
 
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