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[wtfNeedSignUp]

Are there male Weavers?

 

[DicklordWizard]

I doubt the Green Prince ever got as far as fighting against the Citadel. He's a coward in his own words. And when you meet him inside the Citadel, his dialogue implies it's the first time he's ever stepped inside.
His faggot lover at least tried to save Verdania, by agreeing to the clockwork dancer thing as part of a bargain with the Citadel. Not sure what Prince was doing in the meantime, but it seems he felt guilt for shitting himself and doing nothing while Verdania fell, based on the dialogue from the clover dancers boss. Maybe he just walked out.

Why throw him into a cage in Sinner's Road? Maybe he was gonna end up in Lugoli's stew or something?

Lugoli's claim to fame is making dishes using only the most repulsive ingredients, so deep fried faggot checks out.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

Are there male Weavers?

No as far as we know, but weirdly enough the cages of the Weavers back in the cradle use "their" instead of "her", even Widow's one does despite her being canonically female

 

[AlfredHitchdick]

I have a question what with the hollow knight silksong abortion? "The Ritual of Rebirth"

 

[Jotch]

It feels like they got a new writer who was a faggot with the stray they/thems inappropriately used across sparse random text boxes. First example was bell beast hunters journel entry.

 

[Strangolapreti]

I have a question what with the hollow knight silksong abortion? "The Ritual of Rebirth"

It's more complicated than that, since infestation operation doesn't ends with Hornet completely removing the parasite but rather assimilating it as a crest.
I don't think it's an abortion parallel, unlike what a bunch of other retards says, I think it's more about eldritch horror.

Are there male Weavers?

All lore tablets written by weavers for the weavers implies that all of them were all females, as they all starts with the words "Sisters. spider..."

No as far as we know, but weirdly enough the cages of the Weavers back in the cradle use "their" instead of "her", even Widow's one does despite her being canonically female

Those in the cradle are descendants of weavers, there's additional hudden discussion that Hornet can have with Eva, where the two explains that weavers are unable to conceive, or rather struggles at it. I'm not sure if the "their" in "last of their line" is referred to the captured descendant itself or rather the group of weavers that departed to the region they were found and captured, but the choral commandment you find near bonebottom (which is about Hornet's capture) also refers to her with the worlds "last of their line", so I think they either considered that the weaver's descendant could also be a male or that its in reference to the group of weavers that went to said zone, just like Herrah had settled alongside a small group of weavers within Hallownest.

It feels like they got a new writer who was a faggot with the stray they/thems inappropriately used across sparse random text boxes. First example was bell beast hunters journel entry.

Phantom, Lugoli and bell beast are the 3 major examples of this. I want to exclude the robots because those are just sexless constructs.

Phantom too could be considered a construct, but its kind of weird when Lace also exists and is referred as female. Maybe team cherry was undecided and phantom was androgynous enough (aside of needolin dialogue) that it could pass for both an effemminate male (a la Gwyndolyn) or a woman, maybe its silken body was so consumed Phantom's identity too started to fade away as well, but both of those are more of a cope/overreach than anything.

Lugoli is the weirdest one, original voice from the Xbox trailer was male, changed to a clearly more female voice in the release.
I think Team Cherry was undecided on the gender and went for gender neutral to show that Lugoli was such a degenerate it had more in common with feral animals than civilized bugs.
Same could be said about Bell beast: creatures that are too feral to be considered fully sapient, but still able to show some degree of intellect, so they went with "their" as a middlepoint between "he/she" and "it".

All of this is a fucking cope, yes, but unlike many other pieces of media, an argument can be make.
Alternative, I could just say that the use of "they" with Lugoli is plural and that that massive fucking ass counts as another character.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

All lore tablets written by weavers for the weavers implies that all of them were all females, as they all starts with the words "Sisters. spider..."

I though the case, I remember some youtuber talked about EVA being seen as an abomination for being crossbred, but if all weavers are female then all their children will be a crossbreed anyways.

 

[Jotch]

ok im going to say it:

The weavers are an allegory for hebrews

 

[Strangolapreti]

I though the case, I remember some youtuber talked about EVA being seen as an abomination for being crossbred, but if all weavers are female then all their children will be a crossbreed anyways.

They are retarded becuase Eva wasn't even conceived, she was crafted via runes and discarded because too frail, she is more akin to an artificial intelligence.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

ok im going to say it:

The weavers are an allegory for hebrews

>created by a strict but overall loving deity
>reject their commands the second they discover they are not divine themselves
>attempt to make them their slave
>create a racial hierarchy with themselves at the top, exploting all the others under them mercilessly
>their creator decides that they have had enough of their bullshit and starts bringing them back into the fold
>flee to other kingdoms as soon as this happens, all others under their rule be damned
>hopelessly waiting for someone to be born among them to become their savior, have no intentions of actually fixing the problems they themselves created
>directly or indirectly contribute to all the other kingdoms to fall into ruin, mostly through inaction
>heavily intermarry and mix with other races, despite fully believing in their own superiority, see no contradictions between the two positions
Oy vey, Weavald! The threadyim know!

 

[Strangolapreti]

Oy vey, Weavald! The threadyim know!

You shouldn't be using Widow, she was the only one truly loyal to silk, and was brutalized by her fellow weavers (mask removed, pins inserted on her spine) as result.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

So is the series done now that Silksong is out and about?

TC could always just milk 1/2 games forever like Shovel Knight, but I would hope for something a bit more substantive looking forward.

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

You shouldn't be using Widow, she was the only one truly loyal to silk, and was brutalized by her fellow weavers (mask removed, pins inserted on her spine) as result.

I thought that those two things happened after she got captured and Silk was kinda controlling her throughout the game

 

[Toji Suzuhara]

So is the series done now that Silksong is out and about?

Probably seeing that the knight is a void ghost and re-using Horny immediately afterwards would be cheap as fuck (and Lace is really just a slightly modified Horny moveset-wise). Other than those three there really isn't any character who'd be powerful enough to be the MC of a future game

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Other than those three there really isn't any character who'd be powerful enough to be the MC of a future game

Unless...

 

[Strangolapreti]

So is the series done now that Silksong is out and about?

TC could always just milk 1/2 games forever like Shovel Knight, but I would hope for something a bit more substantive looking forward.

A dlc is planned for silksong, perhaps modified cut content.
Silksong has namedropped multiple lands outside of Pharloom and Hallownest, so I can see other games/stories set in the same world.

 

[Newcomer 42]

All lore tablets written by weavers for the weavers implies that all of them were all females, as they all starts with the words "Sisters. spider..."

There must be male weavers, as otherwise they wouldn't have lasted one generation without diluting their bloodline/s. The issue is that writers/weavers are feminists/matriarchal society.
The spiders taken back to Pharloom were mentioned if they had mixed blood.

robots because those are just sexless constructs.

Doesn't the Sentinel act like a male knight, though? It's coping.

Same could be said about Bell beast: creatures that are too feral to be considered fully sapient, but still able to show some degree of intellect, so they went with "their" as a middlepoint between "he/she" and "it".

I thought the Bell Beast was female because she's a clear mother with children.

You shouldn't be using Widow, she was the only one truly loyal to silk, and was brutalized by her fellow weavers (mask removed, pins inserted on her spine) as result.

I thought she managed to convince Silk she was more useful alive and thus she was given some free will in exchange of butchering her to remind her of her servitude.

So is the series done now that Silksong is out and about?

TC could always just milk 1/2 games forever like Shovel Knight, but I would hope for something a bit more substantive looking forward.

Wasn't Zote a Kickstarter goal? So there should be a third game, with the mention of other kingdoms. I hope they don't go with a zombie plague yet again for the third game, released in a decade or so.

 

[Strangolapreti]

There must be male weavers, as otherwise they wouldn't have lasted one generation without diluting their bloodline/s. The issue is that writers/weavers are feminists/matriarchal society.
The spiders taken back to Pharloom were mentioned if they had mixed blood.

None of the weavers taken back to Pharloom are pureblods, all the cages you find in the cradle lists them as crossbreeds (weaver in half/quarter/eight).
The little weavers are you encounter in deepnest are the closest possible thing to possibly imply there were male ones, but I think it's a retcon at this point.
In general, multiple bugs in HK display matriarchal societies because it mirrors insects having a queen that breeds out workers, and worker bees/ants too are females irl, with males existing only for breeding and die. It's not femminism, it's reality.

Doesn't the Sentinel act like a male knight, though? It's coping.

Sentinel had a male voice in the very first teaser, was replaced with a more androgynous sounding one in the main game, just like ass Jim Lugoli

I thought the Bell Beast was female because she's a clear mother with children.

Yes bell beast is female and so is my cat, but "it" is the proper pronoun one should uses on animal, if you want to be grammatically correct.

I thought she managed to convince Silk she was more useful alive and thus she was given some free will in exchange of butchering her to remind her of her servitude.

I mean, there's no real explaination of who butchered her nor when, all we have is the punishment to deduce who did it and why:
- Removing the mask is an erasure of Widow's identity as weaver, it would make sense that GMS didn't wanted to be reminded on the others, but placing her asleep was specifically the weaver's betrayal and in the meantime we have the First Sinner, who got imprisoned for life for disowning her Mother and was allowed to keep her mask. It would make more sense if it was the weavers those that removed the mask on Widow to punish her, or that such a punishment was self-inflict as a way to prove her own loyality and fanaticism to her mother.
- Sealing the silk by lodging metal pins on Widow's spine was done as a way to prevent her from using her own, was this done by the weavers, it would have been a way from punishing and deprive her of the abilities other weavers had, bit if it was done by GMS or Widow herself, it would have been so that she couldn't rely on their silk anymore but only the one produced and unleashed by GMS herself.

I think the one that inflicted such butchery on Widow was either the weavers or Widow herself to demonstrate her unyielding love toward her mother, it's much less likely that it was GMS herself.

Wasn't Zote a Kickstarter goal? So there should be a third game, with the mention of other kingdoms. I hope they don't go with a zombie plague yet again for the third game, released in a decade or so.

That backer goal was never reached, we did got the colosseum even without reaching that goal, but it wasn't really that far when compared to Zote's DLC.

 

[Jotch]

So we have all this massive amount of lore dumps, and hundreds of paragraphs of lore theorizing in this thread alone, and yet no one has an explanation for why there are 371,489,000,318 Septillion bells all over the place????

You can't just skip over the bells bro, this was a bells game throughout all of act 1, which was pretty much half of the game, before it became a silk game.

 

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