Hollow Knight - Dark Souls Metroidvania... with bugs!

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I'd be lying if I said I got it without checking online for some stuff.
Easily the best game I've played in years, better than the original pretty much on every level and on par on the rest.
I don't wanna go back to do steel soul now, need to take a long pause from it.
 
So are there enough lockets to unlock the slots on every crest? I'm assuming so because why wouldn't that be the case.

I'm glad to see something actually happens if that one bug type catches you in it's cage. Wasn't actually expecting to have all my equipment stripped in prison, so that was a neat detail. I'm guessing there would have been an alternative way into that area if that didn't happen.
 
Balanced Boomer said:
I'm glad to see something actually happens if that one bug type catches you in it's cage. Wasn't actually expecting to have all my equipment stripped in prison, so that was a neat detail. I'm guessing there would have been an alternative way into that area if that didn't happen.
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After you get to the citadel you can go there if you take a massive detour
 
Balanced Boomer said:
I'm guessing there would have been an alternative way into that area if that didn't happen.
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Yeah, I killed all those cage guys before I found out that they pulled a Bloodborne and was super annoyed I missed it. You have to get the key in the area after Groal if you want to go there if you weren't kidnapped. I seriously spent way too long trying to figure out how the hell to get into the Slab, I hadn't even found Bilewater at the time.
 
Niggs Monaghan said:
It's very Metroid + Blasphemous so far. I'm enjoying it but it it's making me miss Little Knight quite a bit, both for attitude (completely in my own head but still) and control (mostly just the down attack pogoing). Hornet isn't much different from the first game, still cold and distant. Makes sense given her history but still doesn't make me like her much.
I'm imagining Hornet as a spider supremacist (despite not being a spider, so basically Uncle Ruckus) TERF autist and it's making it funner. So far nothing has made me stray from this interpretation of her character.
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Hornet is kind of a cunt in this game, and I don't mean that in a girlboss slay queen way. I really enjoy it, it's refreshing for a female protagonist to have a stand-offish personality that isn't also just a self-insert Bluesky/late 2010s Twitter wisecracking misandrist.

Also, I'm pretty sure the implication is that Hornet very much is a spider supremacist:
The basic ending has you straight up usurping Grand Mother Silk with nothing to suggest Hornet will do anything differently, as well some of the dialogue in the quest that leads to Act 3 where she decides that probably isn't a good idea.

I actually appreciate how willing the developers are to just roll with the totally weird morality you'd pretty much inevitably get in a civilization populated with sapient insects of various species. I've seen people say they cringe at how polite all of the characters are in both games, but it comes across as legitimately insincere and self-interested a lot of the time, characters being polite just because it's a bit more likely to end with them not getting eaten or shanked. Not every time and with every character, but a lot of the time.
 
>platformer that started off on newgrounds
>protagonist is short
>company behind the game is called "Team [Red Food]"
It's sad how far SMB has went from being the famous indie Mario-Killer to effectively being absolutely obscure nowadays. It was THE Newgrounds-Populariser 10 years before FNF.
 
Finishing side content after finishing the game, it just feels so schizophrenic in difficulty,. I think you can have a completely different experience if you take different routes since some places are absurdly easy and some are ball bustingly hard without really knowing that you could have an easier alternatives. On replay it would probably be more enjoyable since I would know where save points (which the game really dries you on) are and wouldn't miss some upgrades that completely change the experience (like not doing the entire Citadel on a level 2 weapon).

If they reduced corpse runs and removed the gauntlets it would be far more fun to play because you can just focus on the gameplay and platforming. Though I still think it is worse compared to the original due to removing a lot of options from how you play. The crest move pull and healing should have been separated since some more interesting options are fucked by having a shitty heal attached.

Apperantly you can skip most of the map to get to the Citadal through the mist area which makes me wonder if it affects the pilgrims.
 
Sneedenhagen Chew said:
Hornet is kind of a cunt in this game, and I don't mean that in a girlboss slay queen way. I really enjoy it, it's refreshing for a female protagonist to have a stand-offish personality that isn't also just a self-insert Bluesky/late 2010s Twitter wisecracking misandrist.

Also, I'm pretty sure the implication is that Hornet very much is a spider supremacist:
The basic ending has you straight up usurping Grand Mother Silk with nothing to suggest Hornet will do anything differently, as well some of the dialogue in the quest that leads to Act 3 where she decides that probably isn't a good idea.

I actually appreciate how willing the developers are to just roll with the totally weird morality you'd pretty much inevitably get in a civilization populated with sapient insects of various species. I've seen people say they cringe at how polite all of the characters are in both games, but it comes across as legitimately insincere and self-interested a lot of the time, characters being polite just because it's a bit more likely to end with them not getting eaten or shanked. Not every time and with every character, but a lot of the time.
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It's less that she is a supremacist and more that whether she wants to or not, a part of her wants to rule because well, between the Weavers telling her to do it and her being the daughter of the Pale King, she's got the makings of a ruler. There's a probably-scrapped, possibly DLC-only ending where Hornet starts abusing the Silk and controlling even new pilgrims, but they seem to have cut it for now.

I 'unno where you see her as a cunt though, considering how she's so polite to everyone.
 
Sneedenhagen Chew said:
Hornet is kind of a cunt in this game, and I don't mean that in a girlboss slay queen way. I really enjoy it, it's refreshing for a female protagonist to have a stand-offish personality that isn't also just a self-insert Bluesky/late 2010s Twitter wisecracking misandrist.

Also, I'm pretty sure the implication is that Hornet very much is a spider supremacist:
The basic ending has you straight up usurping Grand Mother Silk with nothing to suggest Hornet will do anything differently, as well some of the dialogue in the quest that leads to Act 3 where she decides that probably isn't a good idea.

I actually appreciate how willing the developers are to just roll with the totally weird morality you'd pretty much inevitably get in a civilization populated with sapient insects of various species. I've seen people say they cringe at how polite all of the characters are in both games, but it comes across as legitimately insincere and self-interested a lot of the time, characters being polite just because it's a bit more likely to end with them not getting eaten or shanked. Not every time and with every character, but a lot of the time.
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If you read around the lore, you'll find out that the whole version isn't as simple as it gets.
Mommy silk IS the creator of weavers according to the first sinner, and hidden dialogue from the mask maker implies that she was later usurped and put to an eternal slumber by the weavers themsevles, which then built the citadel (or possibly altered it) in such a way that it would keep her contained and asleep and the haunting is her desperate attempt at waking up and, after the weaver too left, the city most likely kept working under the Pharloom administration. When presenting the faggot's heart, Hornet doesn't just blame her for the destruction of Verdania, but also the people that prolonged her slumber.
The source of the haunting is not simply silk mommy doing that because crazy, rather is the product of her stirring and trying to wake up. I honestly don't even know if she was awake during the fight against her.
The outcome of Hornet consuming her and ascending to divinity is kept vague so you don't know what comes after, the red memory implies that she was raised to be better than the people that raised her and possibly create a place of her own without being a yas queen, silk covering the city could easily be that she couldn't control her newound power and formed a cocoon of sort to transform, just like she could have fallen into the same slumber as the goddess she felled, regardless of the case, Hornet looks at an alternative path as in her head, defeating her means usurping at least a part of her, something she doesn't desires and a choice that inevitably results in the events of act 3 unfolding.
 
@Strangolapreti
Grand Mother Silk is a creator but in a bad way, since the Weavers technically existed without that - the First Sinner cutscene shows that she used silk to force normal spiders to mutate into humanoids, and convinced them that she was their mother and creator but she really wasn't, which is what First Sinner was raging about.

Doesn't really explain where the giant cocoon in the depths of the Abyss came from [when Hornet dives with the flower and all, to enter the last boss, you can see she enters what looks like the same cocoon you find at the Cradle but there's no obvious reason why that happened considering the Abyss gate supposedly only caught her and Lace.

Also now I wonder if the alternate ending which seems to be currently unaccessible was removed because it was too obvious as to what happens - which is Hornet gets Grand Mother Silk's hair and starts mind controlling everyone.
 
Another Random said:
Grand Mother Silk is a creator but in a bad way, since the Weavers technically existed without that - the First Sinner cutscene shows that she used silk to force normal spiders to mutate into humanoids, and convinced them that she was their mother and creator but she really wasn't, which is what First Sinner was raging about.
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Yes, I skipped that detail, technically she didn't created the weavers, she tranformed feral creatures into them, much like the fork did with Hallownest, giving mind to surrounding bugs.
Another Random said:
Doesn't really explain where the giant cocoon in the depths of the Abyss came from [when Hornet dives with the flower and all, to enter the last boss, you can see she enters what looks like the same cocoon you find at the Cradle but there's no obvious reason why that happened considering the Abyss gate supposedly only caught her and Lace.
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The coocoon is the same that was surrounding Mother Silk, it disappeared before the fight and was probably reconstituted to protect Lace, that explains why the mother is white during the fight against hornet and black in the abyss: the white silk covers them during the battle, it also explains why the black thread comes from the bottom.
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Also now I wonder if the alternate ending which seems to be currently unaccessible was removed because it was too obvious as to what happens - which is Hornet gets Grand Mother Silk's hair and starts mind controlling everyone.
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I think it was cut yeah, I prefer the ones we got to that.

Pharloom seems to be older than Hallownest, it surely is less isolated, considering that the latter refers to itself as the last and only civilization, while the former namedrops other kingdoms in the cages found inside the Cradle. It surely has managed a better fall, albeit the cost for it was far harsher, between consuming and oppressing near civilizations (Verdania, the Skarrs, indirectly poison bilewater and its tribals) abduct and use weaver descendants from other kingdpms to keep producing silk, horrific experimentations and punishments to ensure nobody would ever die and the class/species segregations (judges are a species native of blasted steps, forced to servitude, the underworks, the flies forced to be jailers in the slab).
 
Sneedenhagen Chew said:
Hornet is kind of a cunt in this game, and I don't mean that in a girlboss slay queen way. I really enjoy it, it's refreshing for a female protagonist to have a stand-offish personality that isn't also just a self-insert Bluesky/late 2010s Twitter wisecracking misandrist.

Also, I'm pretty sure the implication is that Hornet very much is a spider supremacist:
The basic ending has you straight up usurping Grand Mother Silk with nothing to suggest Hornet will do anything differently, as well some of the dialogue in the quest that leads to Act 3 where she decides that probably isn't a good idea.

I actually appreciate how willing the developers are to just roll with the totally weird morality you'd pretty much inevitably get in a civilization populated with sapient insects of various species. I've seen people say they cringe at how polite all of the characters are in both games, but it comes across as legitimately insincere and self-interested a lot of the time, characters being polite just because it's a bit more likely to end with them not getting eaten or shanked. Not every time and with every character, but a lot of the time.
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I didn't read the spoiler because I haven't beaten it yet, but idk why I put that Hornet "isn't" a spider (she is, just half, and other half Pale Being). She basically has every reason to be the bitch she is, she's royalty in spiderhood and royalty over all of Hallownest. Wasn't even raised by either of her parents, so almost certainly has some kind of detachment issue.
I posted this elsewhere but she really reminds me of nearly every Slavic woman I've ever met. Very Eastern European woman archetype.

I definitely noticed the "very polite" thing cranked up to ten in this compared to Hollow Knight. It doesn't surprise me that Hornet would speak like this (we only ever saw her talk to Little Knight before and she mostly didn't like him), but I do kinda wonder if there's a reason people speak way more in that lofty way in Pharloom, or if it's mostly because Hornet is a stranger with Pale Being aura so they kinda default to it. Or if it's because everyone is so religious here compared to Hallownest.
 
Sneedenhagen Chew said:
characters being polite just because it's a bit more likely to end with them not getting eaten or shanked
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Sounds right considering a lot of characters recognize Hornet as not just a fighter but a bug on the hunt. Her crest reflects that too. Most bugs that have any sort of combat experience notice she's a competent fighter and/or possible immediate threat to their lives.
 
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