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Giver... I am not saying you're defending anything. What I wanna know is how much you even know about my ideas ? Have you read my essay called the story of your incel ?
Holy shit, you're still here plugging your blog? I thought you fucked off ages ago.
Have you considered that your ideas may not be valued here? You had three separate threads to present them and we have yet to give a fuck.
Honestly, I just have to congratulate you. Your dedication to being our pet lunatic is almost terrifying.
 
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I won't deny that I am pretentious, but I'd rather be pretentious than ignorant.

Secondly, I'm not defending anything. The reason I am referencing various authors from various centuries is precisely because you are right. Western culture isn't monolithic: It is the product of all those centuries and all those ideas/events. So you have to try and take into account as much of that rich, complicated history of ideas as you can in order to understand it.

What do you like about the Enlightenment? What values are you referring to?

@The Giver

Dude, let me just give you some friendly advice about Marjan. There is one of his essays you need to read. It is the one called "The Fatal One". Just read it and if you are smart, you will learn all you ever really need to know about him at his true core.

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waiting for you 3 girls to dig up what doesn't exist. Me saying I'm starting a movement and have schizophrenia.
Modern Western sluts should not have any rights at all. Ladies should be protected and this vermin be seen as less than rats.

@Marjan Šiklić , I hope you can someday stop having nightmares about the girl who broke you at your core, man. I still believe you never raped anyone and are pathetically afraid of women to the point of embarrassing over-compensation. Keep acting it up, dude! You only prove me along with DeductionOtaku right!

Good luck man!
 
Ok, I'm sure this has been done before, but whatever. In your blog post, Precursor (3) looks like it contradicts Precursor (4).

3: women’s preference for a type of male changes simply based on a degree of success a type has with most women.
4: Seduction is worthless, even harmful for most species, as it does not promote any valuable traits that make the species better. It is a form of deceit males make do spread their genes

Ok, so let's grant your assumptions prior to these. (3) says that women are attracted (via evolutionary influence) to men who tend to succeed with women. Thus, men who succeed with women will (obviously) produce more offspring. But men who produce the most offspring do the most to ensure the survival of the species. So, men who have traits that allow them to succeed with women are best for the survival of the species, and thus favored evolutionarily.

Now, (4) says that the ability to convince women to sleep with you is not evolutionarily advantageous. But, by (3), succeeding with women is evolutionarily advantageous. Therefore, it is both advantageous and disadvantageous to have traits that facilitate sleeping with women. But, of course, this is a contradiction.

So, it looks like we must abandon or revise either (3) or (4) before you're argument can even get off the ground.
 
The answer to your question is trivial. Seduction is currently the most successful model, but in the long run it is disastrous since it excludes intelligent men (at least if they buy into the consent nonsense). In seduction based societies women hate men who work and produce but like petty criminals and thugs. This is good for thugs now but bad for society in the long run. Women hated when I asked for consent and had a job. I did much better when I took my own version of the Red Pill. BTW I suggest you check latest, post Pua writings on this by roosh. He's even writing a book on why he believes evolution no longer applies today. It's very close to my views.

In other words... Given that modern Western sluts like to be shot more than kissed, this is good for those doing the shooting but seems pretty bad for society in the future. Right ?
 
You're still posting? I thought you died or were abducted or something.
naw him and thonis were too busy having happy butt fun for him to post they are taking a break now
 
What happened to this sad, young boy?
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Seduction is currently the most successful model, but in the long run it is disastrous

See, I don't buy this. There is no "short term" as far as evolution goes. For a heritable trait to propagate throughout a species takes an enormous number of generations. So, in order for seduction based traits to have taken root, they must have been successful for a long long time. Moreover, they must not have interfered with the global dominance of the human race (indeed, we are so evolutionarily successful that we have taken over the planet to the degree of significantly altering its surface features and climate), so it seems implausible that seduction would be correlated with evolutionary disadvantage.

In seduction based societies women hate men who work and produce but like petty criminals and thugs. This is good for thugs now but bad for society in the long run. Women hated when I asked for consent and had a job. I did much better when I took my own version of the Red Pill.

This also strikes me as false. Humans need to have access to food, shelter, and the other necessities of life. So, if they categorically preferred mates that hindered access to those things, that would be evolutionarily disadvantageous. Moreover, anecdotal evidence about you own (or even an entire online forum's) romantic success doesn't equate to a broad trend. Many, many people have driven hopelessly drunk, but survived; it would still be a mistake to claim that being drunk is unrelated to the likelihood of having an accident. In the same way, that you and SlutHate have been unlucky in love doesn't mean that, broadly speaking, the human race hasn't been extremely successful at reproducing and dominating the planet: In point of fact, we have. And, at the end of the day, that is all evolution cares about.

And, for the record, our dominance has only increased with the broadening of women's rights; our power over our environment has increased drastically since the advent of women's rights. Now, perhaps this isn't due to giving women rights (though I tend to think we'd be farther behind scientifically without Marie Curie), but at any rate it clearly hasn't slowed us down.

All in all, the evidence doesn't really seem to support your claims. And discounting the evidence doesn't seem possible without throwing out the theory of evolution, which would entail denying the validity of the scientific method on which it is based. Faced with choosing between the validity of your argument and the validity of science, I am going to choose science every single time.
 
keeps trying to tell us that women love people like him but can't explain why he remains a permavirgin.
Umm .. Not even worth a serious reply, since it isn't serious.

Given. I hope to give you a detailed reply within next 48 hrs.

Pulling a statement out of your ass and repeating it constantly doesn't magically transmute it into fact.
I know. So why do you act like it does so much yourself ? Like that hilarious T4 thing, where you've shown you lack any knowledge of history ?

Diseased dick suckory, still waiting for your big evidence of your claims. Remember what these were ?
 
I know. So why do you act like it does so much yourself ? Like that hilarious T4 thing, where you've shown you lack any knowledge of history ?
The T4 discussion? The one were you ragequit when we wouldn't have a bunch of separate discussions with you on our profile pages?
 
The T4 discussion? The one were you ragequit when we wouldn't have a bunch of separate discussions with you on our profile pages?
Yes, that one. In which your crazy ass claimed somebody with an above average IQ who'd get a wife in early 20s would somehow be under permanent hospital care in 1940s. Which is one of the crazier things I've heard ever.

Not to mention that T4 was done in Germany while I was talking about area if Yugoslavia and that I'd be better off even as a Serb. I'd have a chance to survive and I'd get a wife. I now have no chance. I am expected to be slave labor. Which I'll never accept.
 
As I said before, had my grandfather taken a rifle and started shooting women in his town during WW2 they'd be scared and disgusted. Women today in the same town would be turned on. Feminism makes women love murderers and abusers. Civilized, patriarchal societies instill good values in them. That's how it's always been.

I'm just letting you stew, bro. You know you can't make me flinch.
I also can't make you find what doesn't exist. Wakawakawaka

As I said before, had my grandfather taken a rifle and started shooting women in his town during WW2 they'd be scared and disgusted. Women today in the same town would be turned on. Feminism makes women love murderers and abusers. Civilized, patriarchal societies instill good values in them. That's how it's always been.
So, Hitler's victory would prevent the reactions of women we have today.
 
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