High Guardian Spice - Tumblr: The CalArt Anime
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It'd be great to have early access to rip it apart, but perhaps it's for the best it remains as lost media.
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Hey, at least we got someone to describe what's in the video:
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If they're written well enough... Acceptable losses all around to get better Western animation to show off in the next decade and more. We Westerners could stand to show that we can draw good, again - as in not just write good sometimes... actually doing BOTH well and doing so more consistently so people aren't just turning to anime / live - action for everything, either. Making the medium something to respect (which it is sorely lacking right now.), again.
Optimism showing: we'll hopefully worry about balancing things out, later - we just need more good-looking Western shows and much, much fucking less cheap-looking / ugly ones to elevate the medium forward / make it somewhat competitive (if only possible) with anime again.
Seriously, though. We can't do that with Tumblr/CalArts being the dominant species, honestly. Something's gotta change with CalArts being the only outlet in town for new Western fare - I hope more and more people can take notice of that so we don't get crap this noticable more regularly than we are, now.
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3d works and the nice thing about 3d is that in order to do Cal-Arts style characters requires a whole fuckload of skill to actually pull off properly. So Cal Arts styled shit would have a high barrier of expertise.
You can do digital hand drawn faces and digital hand painted textures and set them up with the rig controls
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I'd say something but something something fighting back against US media culture bullshit and knowing what the States likes out of anime than worshiping everything Japan ships out. IE Everything that High Guardian Spice isn't. Fuck, even RWBY is a low bar to pass even.
Someone could do a favor and adopt Don Bluth's artstyle.....
The fuck? Cal Arts demands skill to pull off? I thought that shit was pretty easy looking to pull honestly.
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I'm guessing the two styles mesh horribly unless someone with talent gives enough fucks to carefully mix them together. And we all know the staff behind this shitfest lack both qualities.
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2d in 3d takes skill. In 3D you need the detail to be somewhat physically present even if you use stuff like displacement maps for textures.
Cal Arts style hands and arms being built in 3d would take far more work than just making a normal human hand. You would have to treat them much differently since they bend and contort all over the place especially with fingers. Blend Shapes/Morph Targets could take care of some of the movements, but not all and you would probably need individual rigs for specific movements of the hands themselves, because in some scenes they'll look and act like flippers while others they'll function like a claw and others they'll behave closer to a real hand.
Also fat people are a fucking pain in the ass to rig mostly due to skinning and envelopes.
If your characters behave like a fluid or are ungodly stretchy in their movements that would probably require a half or a whole department. Basically a ton of people to properly animate a character who's physical properties are closer to jello or stretch armstrong.
If you look how Japan tackles stuff, they design their 3d models to resemble anime styled stuff through optical illusions on how the geometry is formed around the face. They spend a ton of time modeling stuff in 3/4 perspective so the contours of the face are spaced properly when viewed at other angles. They will also have textures animated that will go over the geometry, basically treating the geometry like a movie projection screen where everything will be very smooth around the parts of the face that are animated. It's very similar how they do projected faces onto animatronics only everything is in a digital space.
Cal Arts style hands and arms being built in 3d would take far more work than just making a normal human hand. You would have to treat them much differently since they bend and contort all over the place especially with fingers. Blend Shapes/Morph Targets could take care of some of the movements, but not all and you would probably need individual rigs for specific movements of the hands themselves, because in some scenes they'll look and act like flippers while others they'll function like a claw and others they'll behave closer to a real hand.
Also fat people are a fucking pain in the ass to rig mostly due to skinning and envelopes.
If your characters behave like a fluid or are ungodly stretchy in their movements that would probably require a half or a whole department. Basically a ton of people to properly animate a character who's physical properties are closer to jello or stretch armstrong.
If you look how Japan tackles stuff, they design their 3d models to resemble anime styled stuff through optical illusions on how the geometry is formed around the face. They spend a ton of time modeling stuff in 3/4 perspective so the contours of the face are spaced properly when viewed at other angles. They will also have textures animated that will go over the geometry, basically treating the geometry like a movie projection screen where everything will be very smooth around the parts of the face that are animated. It's very similar how they do projected faces onto animatronics only everything is in a digital space.
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Someone reuploaded it here:
YouTube
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I wonder why they took it down, the only Ellation-copyrighted content in it was the HGS promo art.
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So it seems there is an NDA. Maybe Crunchyroll should learn to pick a better test audience that wont blab to the Internet about their super secret project. Also I love how the leak unashamedly calls it a cross between SU and Little Witch.
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I mean, credit where's credit due, at least they're being honest about what it actually is.
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How is it super secret? It's supposed to out by now.
This has been a problem in western animation since around the late 2000s, and I don't see any change on that front coming any time soon. As much as it sucks, the western animation industry is an oligopoly where your options are Simpsons/Family Guy "adult" animation, CalArts kids animation, or Pixar/Dreamworks feature films. Anything outside of that is limited to animated shorts on YouTube.
Anime is not immune either. There used to be those "anime back then" memes where people take Akira and Ghost in the Shell and compare it to endless low quality garbage that is produced today. It's not a fair comparison, often comparing expensive animated features to TV shows made on a budget, but it shows that the rot has set in everywhere.
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@Judge Dredd Being a bit sarcastic with that. Theyre trying to keep the contents of the show a “surprise” but we all know its gonna be safe, inoffensive, generic shlock that won’t even be worth keeping a lid on this. They’re trying so damn hard for it to be it’s own thing by taking ideas from established ideas, even if it does come out I doubt it’ll even last a full season.
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It takes skill to make anything look good but if you want to do a shitty job and look like every other shitty hack SU lookalike, that's easy by comparison.
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Indeed. RIP OVA market
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Look at the timespan. Akira came out in 1989, GitS came out in 1995. You can't just cherrypick few good animes from two decades and compare it with stuff from only last few years.
There's tons of garbage from the 80s and the 90s that's rightfully never talked about anymore.
Watch Nora OVA's.
Animation-quality wise, Western animation has its ups and downs too. Watch old Hanna-Barbera cartoons from 60 years ago, like Flintstones, Jetsons, Yogi Bear. What they present would be acceptable today only in amateur Youtube shorts.
As for Calarts style itself, however you define it, like every trend, it will lose popularity some day. HGS might end up being late to the party.
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Indeed we will never have another booming OVA marker where super violet shows get made, like Apocalypse Zero and Mad Bull 34.
Someone reuploaded it here:
https://mega.nz/#!XUw2kILT!_049AaDt9_mCae3AzIk7-TRvUBrSPKTzXPiXiHa6edQYouTube
I wonder why they took it down, the only Ellation-copyrighted content in it was the HGS promo art.
Something about the person who posted about it broke the NDA and because they asked nicely and didn't threaten them. At least this provided proof that this was real and not something someone made up.
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That's where the BEST anime came from, too - the stuff that got me to respect it, rather than hate on close to a huge percentage of it, too. Those were the days (and I ain't no nostalgia whore - I'm just pointing out where things were handled better, besides Western fare, for example.).
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I hope the
I wonder if this show would've taken off with the same lazy, on-the-nose libtard writing, but with
the aesthetics of a modern moe anime.
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Someone reuploaded it here:
https://mega.nz/#!XUw2kILT!_049AaDt9_mCae3AzIk7-TRvUBrSPKTzXPiXiHa6edQYouTube
I wonder why they took it down, the only Ellation-copyrighted content in it was the HGS promo art.
The promo art is just so dull and unappealing. This doesn't look like anything special because nothing special, exciting, let-alone noteworthy is going on in this promo art. Promo art is supposed to get the attended audience pumped and excited for its release by showing a sneak-peek of something that's bound to be trailer-worthy. Two witches (oh wait, Rosemary's not a witch lel) flying down an empty strip mall leaving behind who're supposed to be their BFF comrades whose running styles are just as plain as they are is not exciting no matter how you slice it.
"Steven Universe meets Little Witch Academia" (of which now HGS is way more behind the times ever since the SU movie aired) is a terrible pitch and that alone isn't enough to get a show green-lit. And here's the thing, you can do a slice-of-life magical girl show, but it needs to provide something new or fresh or different from the rest of its competition to attract an audience. And HGS hasn't provided any of that. It's too generic and safe even for its intended target audience.
I also still don't believe the blonde's a dwarf. The Powerpuff Girls reboot has a better grasp on perspective and size than all the artists who worked on this combined.