High Guardian Spice - Tumblr: The CalArt Anime

[mrdk_04]

If this were 10 years ago with Donut Steels plaguing fan-bases were at their peak, I might be inclined to agree. But I think there's actually a lot more damaging attitudes currently plaguing fanfiction circles at work here. (Unless of course you mean the trend of basically writing a fanfiction first, changing a few names - if they even go that far - and presenting it as a totally original new piece.)

While ff.net was a total cesspool, it's one arguably redeeming quality was that it did at least have a community environment where everyone, for the most part, understood "if you want to get better - bacuse of either aspirations of professionalism or just to gain notoriety in your fanbase - accepting and dissecting critique is important" and criticism for the most part was welcomed, provided you weren't rude.

At some point down the line between jumping from FF.net to LiveJournal to Ao3, fanfiction kinda lost that attitude. Now reviews of your shitty fanfiction are called "unsolicited critique" and are treated with hostility. That their fanfics exist purely for self-masturbatory reasons, and it's condescending or even damaging to point out something as simple as a grammar mistake. Yet at the same time, those same fanfic writers still think they're entitled to the same amount of feedback as the people who do ask for advice to improve and work hard to follow it, and then wonder why no one wants to comment when they've put up a ton of parameters on how a reader is "allowed" to comment on their shit.

You see that sort of attitude plaguing a couple industries with SJW/hipster problems. The most common I've seen in animation are either "IT'S NOT FOR YOU (it's for me)," dismissing criticism as coming from a place of entitlement or prejudice, or vaguely threatening opponents in the same industry (aspiring to be in the industry) that they'll use their influence to gatekeep those people out of the industry like this is a high school clique... or a fanfic forum. In the case of HGS however, I think they'll most likely stick with the former two since they don't really have any influence yet.

Ironically, one of the more cancerous fandoms on the internet has a great fanfiction community.
Critique, corrections, editing and proofreading are all par for the course for popular/grand stories on Fimfiction.net.
There are groups that collect la creme de la creme of ponyfics and sort them accordingly.
A lot of shit/porn still gets through those filters, but it's a world of difference compared to the non-pony sites.

 

[AnAccount]

Okay, I can understand people not liking this show. That's fine.

What I don't understand is the anger at Crunchyroll for using their profits to fund original animation.

What's been plainly obvious for a long time is, You pay crunchyroll, they give a cut of your money to the anime you watch, then they keep what's left for themselves.

Anyone that thinks Crunchyroll can't do whatever they want with their profit is retarded. Why on earth, would they be expected to give their own cut of their money to the anime industry. It's literally their money, If you have an issue with them spending it how they want, maybe you shouldn't have gave them money in the first place.

I mean this show is terrible, and I wouldn't fault someone cancelling a subscription so they aren't funding something like this, but getting mad that crunchyroll didn't spend their personal earning how you wanted is one of the most entitled things I've ever heard.

 

[AnOminous]

What's been plainly obvious for a long time is, You pay crunchyroll, they give a cut of your money to the anime you watch, then they keep what's left for themselves.

I'm pretty sure their slogan wasn't "give us your money and we'll fund the ass rape of your favorite genre" or "pay us for weebshit and we'll turn it into CalArts tumblrina garbage."

 

[AnAccount]

I'm pretty sure their slogan wasn't "give us your money and we'll fund the ass rape of your favorite genre" or "pay us for weebshit and we'll turn it into CalArts tumblrina garbage."

I will reiterate for you.

You are fine to dislike and/or stop funding CrunchyRoll because you do not like what they are spending their money on.

However, many people seem to be mad simply because They were under the impression, That crunchyroll was supposed to be funding japanese anime with that.

And that's wrong, the way it's always been is when you pay your money to crunchyroll they give a cut of that to the anime you watch/'the industry' and then keep the rest.

Some people are actually mad because they thought crunchyroll wasn't supposed to be spending their profits on their own ventures and were under the impression that crunchyroll should be giving all of their money to the anime industry.

And that's retarded, and not at all what crunchyroll ever claimed to be doing.

If your mad at the simple act of them spending their personal profits how they want, maybe you should not have given them money.

 

[AnOminous]

If your mad at the simple act of them spending their personal profits how they want, maybe you should not have given them money.

I didn't give them money because I'm not a fucking moron.

 

[AnAccount]

I didn't give them money because I'm not a fucking moron.

I'm using the royal 'you'

 

[Heavy Cream]

Okay, I can understand people not liking this show. That's fine.

What I don't understand is the anger at Crunchyroll for using their profits to fund original animation.

What's been plainly obvious for a long time is, You pay crunchyroll, they give a cut of your money to the anime you watch, then they keep what's left for themselves.

Anyone that thinks Crunchyroll can't do whatever they want with their profit is exceptional. Why on earth, would they be expected to give their own cut of their money to the anime industry. It's literally their money, If you have an issue with them spending it how they want, maybe you shouldn't have gave them money in the first place.

I mean this show is terrible, and I wouldn't fault someone cancelling a subscription so they aren't funding something like this, but getting mad that crunchyroll didn't spend their personal earning how you wanted is one of the most entitled things I've ever heard.

I would be inclined to agree with you if Crunchyroll was actually a decent service that people wanted to pay for, but it isn't. A huge chunk of their subs are people who pay specifically to support the Japanese animation industry, despite piracy not only being free but being a much better product. Given that, when their shitty Flash player just so happens to start buffering on the twenty third garbled sentence you've seen this week, and the show you're attempting to watch is in lower quality because you had the gall to watch it a week after release? Finding out that they're throwing millions at a show which doesn't even try to have some amount of crossover appeal with the content you come to them for is going to make you seriously reassess whether the service is dedicated to fixing these issues they've been promising to address for years.

That's not self-entitlement, but the straw that breaks the camel's back.

 

[Yandere Science]

France is the biggest manga market in Europe and television channels have been showing Japanese cartoons since the late 70s, so to say that it has had a strong influence on the French comic market is an understatement (not to mention that a lot of really niche mangas which otherwise wouldn’t receive much attention outside of Japan are published in France which is nice). Admittedly, I am a little bit biased, but I feel like a French anime streaming service would’ve pulled it off far better than Crunchytroll; they would still have been using the money wrongly, but the presentation and cartoon itself would probably not have been nearly as much of a clusterfuck as HGS (for example, the creator team would probably not have consisted single-handedly of tumblr SJW charicatures who cared more about showing off how woke they are).

France and Belgium. That's partially because France recognizes as the ninth art, and both Comics and Manga have earned award from the the Order of Arts and Letters.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Okay, I can understand people not liking this show. That's fine.

What I don't understand is the anger at Crunchyroll for using their profits to fund original animation.

What's been plainly obvious for a long time is, You pay crunchyroll, they give a cut of your money to the anime you watch, then they keep what's left for themselves.

Anyone that thinks Crunchyroll can't do whatever they want with their profit is exceptional. Why on earth, would they be expected to give their own cut of their money to the anime industry. It's literally their money, If you have an issue with them spending it how they want, maybe you shouldn't have gave them money in the first place.

I mean this show is terrible, and I wouldn't fault someone cancelling a subscription so they aren't funding something like this, but getting mad that crunchyroll didn't spend their personal earning how you wanted is one of the most entitled things I've ever heard.

Let's break it down a little. As you're new here.

Go check out the many many lolcow forums and even the old threads related to the assorted -gates and their characters that we've covered here at the Farms over the years and you'll see the kind of people backing this sort of shit are regulars at it. They aren't out to be creative or unique or new, they are there to go and wreck something people were perfectly happy with. They did this to gaming, to films, to Netflix, to Comics and now they've finally arrived at Anime.

Each previous time this has happened the hardcore customer base (the so-called "entitled people" you're on about) warned the people who decided to dive off into the bushes of radical liberalism that it would not end well for them, or that they'd stop supporting them if they went down this route.

They won't be honest to the artform, they won't permit escapism there must be THE MESSAGE and they will beat the audience over the head for it for being uneducated, racist, sexist, entitled morons. Now shut up and pay me for educating you, they will say.

Like the wonderful Kate Leth who's spent most of her time insulting 55% of CR's customer base when she's not busy gutting formerly beloved Marvel Characters because she's a shit writer.

Oddly enough, when you run about insulting your customer base they have this wonderful tendency of, ya know, fucking off. Taking their cash with them.

People support Crunchyroll because it's the best service out there that directly funds a huge number of anime shows and the studios on the global stage for Japan. Netflix and Amazon are bigger players taking bigger risks, but this site helps the niche studios get a much wider audience than they might otherwise have. Rather than spending money fixing their service, which crashes regularly when popular shows drop (might as well forget watching My Hero Academia or Yuri On Ice! when they air) or taking the temp hit to the profit line to land bigger shows and encourage more subscribers they are instead spending money on Marge Dean's Pet-project of womeninanimation.org and then pretending its an anime and not some shit cal arts experiment that belongs on Cartoon Network or VRV (which just isn't as popular as Crunchyroll, hence why it's there).

They didn't even bother selling the fucking show at the end of the day. They instead spent a good 90% of the trailer patting themselves on the back about their generic as fuck show and how many pairs of tits they have in the writing and production rooms.

The fucking smugness has got plenty of people's backs up.

 

[UnclePhil]

While I'm remaining that Japanese studios won't be influenced by problem glasses, I do worry about it. Look at what Team Ninja is doing with DoA6 because of Western dangerhairs.

 

[MemeGray]

While I'm remaining that Japanese studios won't be influenced by problem glasses, I do worry about it. Look at what Team Ninja is doing with DoA6 because of Western dangerhairs.

I thought DoA6 got changed because team ninja wanted a serious fighter to try and break into western fighting game tournaments like Evo?

 

[Penultimo]

Okay, I can understand people not liking this show. That's fine.

What I don't understand is the anger at Crunchyroll for using their profits to fund original animation.

What's been plainly obvious for a long time is, You pay crunchyroll, they give a cut of your money to the anime you watch, then they keep what's left for themselves.

Anyone that thinks Crunchyroll can't do whatever they want with their profit is exceptional. Why on earth, would they be expected to give their own cut of their money to the anime industry. It's literally their money, If you have an issue with them spending it how they want, maybe you shouldn't have gave them money in the first place.

I mean this show is terrible, and I wouldn't fault someone cancelling a subscription so they aren't funding something like this, but getting mad that crunchyroll didn't spend their personal earning how you wanted is one of the most entitled things I've ever heard.

It's not a wise move to use the money you take from clueless otakus to invest in original content when your streaming service is barely functional, that's kinda why people are not pleased.

 

[Heavy Cream]

While I'm remaining that Japanese studios won't be influenced by problem glasses, I do worry about it. Look at what Team Ninja is doing with DoA6 because of Western dangerhairs.

I think that's unlikely, given how little North America actually means to anime. It isn't worthless, but domestic and Asian markets still make up the majority of anime profits. By contrast the Japanese console market is struggling if I'm being generous compared to how dominant it is in the west, so game makers are much more likely to believe the press or whatever dumb shit the localizers tell them is unacceptable outside Japan.

Even at that it remains to be seen what exactly will happen with DoA6. The director is awfully willing to chat at length about the details of his new jiggle engine with the Japanese press, so it could just be them trying to get the press off their backs while sliding the people what they want under the table. Granted it doesn't look to be working, but the attempt seems to be there. Plus DoA tried this years ago, so I'd take it more as a Team Ninja issue than a Japan one.

 

[AnAccount]

I would be inclined to agree with you if Crunchyroll was actually a decent service that people wanted to pay for, but it isn't. A huge chunk of their subs are people who pay specifically to support the Japanese animation industry, despite piracy not only being free but being a much better product. Given that, when their shitty Flash player just so happens to start buffering on the twenty third garbled sentence you've seen this week, and the show you're attempting to watch is in lower quality because you had the gall to watch it a week after release? Finding out that they're throwing millions at a show which doesn't even try to have some amount of crossover appeal with the content you come to them for is going to make you seriously reassess whether the service is dedicated to fixing these issues they've been promising to address for years.

That's not self-entitlement, but the straw that breaks the camel's back.

I'd agree with you here really. I think perhaps some people may be interpreting me as talking about the majority of people complaining about this show, I am not. Who I am talking about is this small amount of people, that seem to believe that the money going into high guardian spice, is money that was supposed to go to anime studios and/or Crunchyroll was supposed to be putting all of their personal earning back into the anime industry. Which is silly and they never claimed to be doing that.

If someone is mad because they think crunchyroll is managing their money poorly that is fine, If someone is mad because they believed crunchyroll claimed to be spending all of their profits on anime, but decided to steal money away from those profits, they are wrong, this crappy show was funded out of Crunchyrolls own personal profits that were already being taken out of the money people were spending on crunchyroll. In other words, some people seem to be under the impression that crunchyrolls profits were always going to the anime industry and not crunchyrolls pockets.

Each previous time this has happened the hardcore customer base (the so-called "entitled people" you're on about)

I'm not talking about the hardcore customer base, I'm talking about people who are mad now that Crunchyroll is taking a cut of money for themselves, something they've always done. Something that's integral to successful business. they aren't a non profit org after all.

If someone is angry CR made this show that is fine, if someone is angry they helped fund this show by giving money to CR that is fine, if someone is angry that CR is taking money for themselves, they are dumb. My comments are directed at the latter.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

I'm not talking about the hardcore customer base, I'm talking about people who are mad now that Crunchyroll is taking a cut of money for themselves, something they've always done. Something that's integral to successful business. they aren't a non profit org after all.

If someone is angry CR made this show that is fine, if someone is angry they helped fund this show by giving money to CR that is fine, if someone is angry that CR is taking money for themselves, they are dumb. My comments are directed at the latter.

Except the people who are mad are the hardcore customer base.

 

[AnAccount]

Except the people who are mad are the hardcore customer base.

I'm not talking about everyone that is mad, I'm talking about one section of people who are mad, that are mad for things that should of been obvious. That crunchyroll isn't putting 100% of their money into anime, and/or that crunchyroll takes some of their money.

 

[Yandere Science]

I'm not talking about everyone that is mad, I'm talking about one section of people who are mad, that are mad for things that should of been obvious. That crunchyroll isn't putting 100% of their money into anime, and/or that crunchyroll takes some of their money.

That's called making profit, but taking 50% and throwing a chunk of it into making bean-mouthed toons and calling it "anime" is what set them off after already being irritated by the lack of HTML5, the Live Action stuff, etc...

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I will reiterate for you.

However, many people seem to be mad simply because They were under the impression, That crunchyroll was supposed to be funding japanese anime with that.

That’s a joke considering Crunchyroll sponsors many Anime youtubers to tell their viewers to support Crunchyroll to “save” the anime industry. It doesn’t help Crunchyroll also constantly brags about being the legit way of watching anime.

 

[nyess]

crunchyrolls aren't even gud

Get those baked crab rolls you peons

 

[Kari Kamiya]

They've reassured people that High Guardian Spice is being funded by the half of the money CR keeps for themselves from ad revenue and subscribers (about $100m or so) while the remaining 50% goes on to the Japanese anime studios most people buy a CR sub for, or tolerate the ads.

Maybe it's just me, but the project doesn't even look like it's using the $50 million. You'd think they could've been saving up for big-name voice actors and/or paying the writers/animators/director good money for being big names--but outside of probably Leth, the staff's a bunch of nobodies. So where the fuck's the money going? These snowflakes are pocketing most of it like the money-grubbing parasites they are, aren't they?