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There is only a vague notion of "Old bad, new better"
I'm not convinced of that -- my guess is The Rot is produced by New Magic.
Or, that's my brain trying to come up with a plot point.
Remind me to tell you about my story where Lex Luthor developed reactors using synthetic Green Kryptonite. Harmless to all Earth life, remember?
 
By Twitter, For Twitter. That's the only theme you need, right? Because if you dont like it then you're a bigot. Hah! Checkmate.
That's why I think HGS was greenlit. CrunchyRoll were talking up making their own anime amid a period of High Woke, and so were convinced that the first show they would greenlight was entirely because it was woke, even though it wasn't anime. They're not exactly known for respecting their customer base, so it could have been as simple as 'we won't give you what you want, we'll give you what we think you need, and you'll thank us for it'. Many other creative endeavours have tried the same thing - comics being the most egregious. So they announce their new woke show aimed at the loudest whiners on Twitter.

Undoubtedly someone in the company had parroted the idea that there was this vast, untapped audience of dangerhairs and genderspecials that would jump on the chance to support a product aimed for them. What they'd carefully omit is that these people are loud but small in number, never satisfied, usually broke, and will rationalise their way into pirating your content. No one has successfully monetised them for an amount above six figures unless there's some lying involved, and the vast majority of your audience, if they like your product, will do so in spite of that wokeness.

How it's Raye that got the nod is unknown - could be rich family, could be some fujoshi worked at CrunchyRoll and was a fan from Tumblr. But CrunchyRoll annouces with great pride its new, self-created anime, paid for by the subscription fees of their fans. Which starts with an ad that shows next to nothing of the show but a whole lot of the obnoxious people behind the scenes who have no desire to make the show entertaining but instead want to make it all about representation and inclusivity, with a very clear subtext of, 'So it's not for you fucking weebs, it's for us.' And a large customer base of people who had mostly made the active choice to pay for a subscription to things they could have gotten for free found out the money wasn't going to what they were paying for, but was going to make a vanity project for dangerhairs - and that even though troons are often obsessed with anime, because this show wasn't anime and troons don't pay for shit that they wouldn't be interested either, and they certainly wouldn't become subscribers because of it. I'm presuming they lost a fair number of subscribers, those people were never replaced by the mythical unrepresented dangerhairs because mythical, and that's why after a couple of weeks of woke posturing and cries about the alt-right the project got hidden away, as little publicity as possible, and eventually dumped out as the wreck it is.

Tl;dr: It's basically Twitter/Tumblr's fault that a show like HGS was commissioned. Why it was Raye's self-inserts specifically, I suspect there's an employee - or, hopefully, former employee - who could be considered responsible, just like I suspect there's a couple of people who worked there who could be considered responsible for such an ideology-over-profit idea. I think they'd be interesting to dig up, but I doubt it will happen. But it definitely seems that CrunchyRoll, while not necessarily learning 'get woke, go broke', has at least learned 'if your product's only selling point is wokeness, then no one will buy that product'.
 
I'm not convinced of that -- my guess is The Rot is produced by New Magic.
Or, that's my brain trying to come up with a plot point.
Remind me to tell you about my story where Lex Luthor developed reactors using synthetic Green Kryptonite. Harmless to all Earth life, remember?
That was also my example for improving the plot by giving it some semblance of set-up and pay off but that's purely headcanon, there's nothing in the show that even suggests that to be the case.
 
That was also my example for improving the plot by giving it some semblance of set-up and pay off but that's purely headcanon, there's nothing in the show that even suggests that to be the case.
Agreed; it's mostly my Boomer-era reflex of being suspicious of anything free, especially since they specifically said Old Magic requires an exchange while New Magic does not. To my mind, that violates the Law of Conservation of Suck.
It would be hilariously ironic if a genuinely interesting idea was lost because the entire show was buried like a turd on completion, and only released for unknown reasons.
 
Agreed; it's mostly my Boomer-era reflex of being suspicious of anything free, especially since they specifically said Old Magic requires an exchange while New Magic does not. To my mind, that violates the Law of Conservation of Suck.
It would be hilariously ironic if a genuinely interesting idea was lost because the entire show was buried like a turd on completion, and only released for unknown reasons.
I don't even think it's Boomer-era to expect basic competence in a script like setup and payoff.
 
I'm not convinced of that -- my guess is The Rot is produced by New Magic.
Or, that's my brain trying to come up with a plot point.
Remind me to tell you about my story where Lex Luthor developed reactors using synthetic Green Kryptonite. Harmless to all Earth life, remember?
It was a really tortured metaphor that showed just how bad the writing is. They would have run into problems with more seasons.

"New magic" is symbolic of liberalism and progressivism, but combining it with tradition makes it stronger. It can induce a spontaneous change of sex in people via a potion, but it can also be dangerously packaged into spells people can use instantly without any skill. And then there's the pseudo environmental message that it's causing the rot that only the wood elf is concerned about.

So basically unless it was going to be a red herring and they were gonna end up saying new magic is totally good and pure in the end they've accidentally written that transgenderism is bad for the environment.
 
It was a really tortured metaphor that showed just how bad the writing is. They would have run into problems with more seasons.

"New magic" is symbolic of liberalism and progressivism, but combining it with tradition makes it stronger. It can induce a spontaneous change of sex in people via a potion, but it can also be dangerously packaged into spells people can use instantly without any skill. And then there's the pseudo environmental message that it's causing the rot that only the wood elf is concerned about.

So basically unless it was going to be a red herring and they were gonna end up saying new magic is totally good and pure in the end they've accidentally written that transgenderism is bad for the environment.

This would've raised the whole profile of the show nicely and resulted in a huge debate to happen, and the fact that old+new can be combined and, presumably, do less damage overall (Sometimes the answers of the future lie in the past as my favourite "Green" magazine fucking loves pointing out). There's no such thing as a Free Lunch and by god that worlds clearly been dining out for too long without paying the bills.

But ya know, that'd be way too redpilled for this kind of show. Accepting the past actually is the reason you're able to stand there and spew your dumb shit is not what these folks want or feel they need.

I mean, fuckit, everyone's calling about how well Snapdragon was written on the net elsewhere. Lets have a show focused on him and questioning his identity. They actually wrote that fucking bit well in Episode 11 and that at the end of the day its still his fucking choice.

Like, there's oh so much you can do with a Snapdragon show of them becoming an adventurer/High Guardian. Maybe they do go down the potion route, maybe they do become a woman, become a famous adventurer and they get on really well with a new character (to the point its obvious they're into each other) but OH NO they're out in the sticks and Snap can't get the potion they need and so transforms back to their own horror.

Cue other guy not knowing how to react, Snap seeing a flashback to dickhead Mcgee at the festival+boat and so runs the fuck away.

Snap too busy moping away nearly gets ambushed and killed by some monster only to be saved by the guy he's been eyeing, cue scene in which he says he likes Snap because of who they are and that the change was just a shock and they'll help them get back to feeling right.

Cue the quest for them to find the potion bits or whatever yadda yadda.
 
I think you people are putting way more thought and effort into the plot of the show then the actual writers did.

I'm not saying that they weren't thinking of doing stuff like New Magic actually screwing up the world and what not, but I wouldn't be surprised if the writers were just throwing in what ever sound cool to see what would stick and then expand on what worked in the next season that most definitely is going to happen. It's just as likely that they intended that the mysterious evil council was behind the rot all along, or at least had it on the back burner encase they couldn't execute anything better, I mean, this show isn't exactly known for its subtly or clever execution of its themes.
 
I think you people are putting way more thought and effort into the plot of the show then the actual writers did.

I'm not saying that they weren't thinking of doing stuff like New Magic actually screwing up the world and what not, but I wouldn't be surprised if the writers were just throwing in what ever sound cool to see what would stick and then expand on what worked in the next season that most definitely is going to happen. It's just as likely that they intended that the mysterious evil council was behind the rot all along, or at least had it on the back burner encase they couldn't execute anything better, I mean, this show isn't exactly known for its subtly or clever execution of its themes.

I wrote the above about a Snapdragon focused show after a bottle of fucking wine.

These people didn't bother with any fucking thought at all, it's a show made by NPCs.
 
I'll be honest and say I'm not hot on this guy's redesigns, they're trading in one flavor of generic for another and they'd probably be hell to animate from all the extra little nonsense details he's added on.
To be a little fair, I don’t think that’s the fault of the artist. Character design goes from serviceable/generic to great when it’s able to provide details/subtext that inform viewers of hidden clues to the characters themselves and their role in the story; some are able to even provide foreshadowing when done right.

But HGS doesn’t give you any of that. Its characters are already generic archetypes (the witch, the tomboy, the loner, the token, etc.) with personalities that are nonexistent at best and inconsistent at worst because they aren’t written with a real trajectory in mind outside of the most boring anime band staples. And the story is even worse on that front because action beats and conflict are added so begrudgingly.

Making anything other than a different flavor of generic out of HGS is like trying to squeeze water out of a rock.
I think you people are putting way more thought and effort into the plot of the show then the actual writers did.

I'm not saying that they weren't thinking of doing stuff like New Magic actually screwing up the world and what not, but I wouldn't be surprised if the writers were just throwing in what ever sound cool to see what would stick and then expand on what worked in the next season that most definitely is going to happen. It's just as likely that they intended that the mysterious evil council was behind the rot all along, or at least had it on the back burner encase they couldn't execute anything better, I mean, this show isn't exactly known for its subtly or clever execution of its themes.
Agreed. HGS’s writing choices just scream of the same writing pitfalls that are commonly found in fan circles, where they really aren’t interested in writing a whole story but want to capture specific scenarios/scenes. Which is fine for fanworks, but when you put a bunch of those people in a writing room and tell them to craft an entire show it’s unsurprising that this is the result. Stuff like unidentified evil goo corrupting the world, “old vs. new”/“happy middle ground between old and new”, and vague messages about being yourself are the most bottom of the barrel concepts that hacks can slap together in an afternoon with zero thought and call it a day.

HGS is only notable for being especially low effort in that regard.
 
Ah yes, High Guardian Spice, the pseudo anime equivalent of Ghostbusters 2016. Ironically enough, like with GB 2016, the videos riffing and ripping HGS to shreds is more entertaining than the actual show itself.

And...like with GB 2016, HGS is just plain dead on arrival. It is not a matter of going back to the drawing board to fix things. HGS is more of a case of toss this trash into the bio-hazard bin, and start over from square one type of trash.
 
Speaking of which, Mann of a 1000 Thoughts shared some of his thoughts on this whole situation recently




 
Speaking of which, Mann of a 1000 Thoughts shared some of his thoughts on this whole situation recently
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While he is technically correct that budgets do have an effect on all levels of animation, writing included, he fails to factor in to this that you’re able to tell when budget was the problem when watching.

Something made by talented writers that were working on shoestring budgets just feel different compared to shows that were simply incompetent. The former I noticed more often then not tend to either start off really strong right out of the gate and gradually diminish in quality over time because later ideas got less fleshing out (The Walking Dead comes to mind), or they’ll have somewhat erratic levels of quality when they already had some ideas planned out but then had to either cut or couldn’t finish vital connective tissue. It gives those projects a certain “missing piece” quality to them that hints at troubles behind the scenes. On top of that, you can tell when a project was rushed just by looking at the quality of the work that artist/writer makes when they were given more time.

HGS has neither of those things going for it. Raye has been working on this concept for years before getting greenlit, and yet the actual show had nothing to show for it in terms of world building or story. And just looking at what the team produces when they’re their own bosses and have all the time in the world (Kate Leth, Raye’s animation final that apparently took a year to make, Raye’s original HGS pitch that got floated around - and rejected - several studios, etc.) prove that this wasn’t some secret masterpiece cruelly struck down by penny-pinching.

Of course you also point out that this dude starting off with “now I didn’t see the show” makes most his points moot anyways.
 
All Madoka is Urobuchi being an edgelord who haven't done any research.
I thought Madoka was decent not because of the edge but rather the plot structure and how it was able to tell its story in a concise yet impactful way. I do think that Uro getting the idea of the train scene from his irl experience is funny though.
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I thought Madoka was decent not because of the edge but rather the plot structure and how it was able to tell its story in a concise yet impactful way. I do think that Uro getting the idea of the train scene from his irl experience is funny though.
Madoka on its own is perfectly fine but it is the Madoka and Uro's fanbases that is insufferable.
 
I took Snapdragon and the two other male-punching bags, and overhauled their characterization and designs, wrote some plot points/major character interactions with them for them over 4 days and some hard tea.

Was there a point to doing all of this? Not particularly. Will I make something of this? Maybe, if I had a good week or two free of any commitments, I could hammer out a decent, albeit cliche-ish story. Was it fun to do? Very, and I would happily do it again. And here's some of what I got. 20220207_002945.jpg

Edit: Gotta say, thanks to this godawful show, it got me outta the creative funk I've been battling with. Actual serious writing for a change, with outlines and the like. Will it be good? Probably not, but I'm at least gonna have someone not coddle my crap and actually edit it.

My hats off to the absolute baboons at Crunchyroll Studios for inspiration, and a very sincere thanks to all you fine Kiwis that told me to keep going.
 
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I took Snapdragon and the two other male-punching bags, and overhauled their characterization and designs, wrote some plot points/major character interactions with them for them over 4 days and some hard tea.

Was there a point to doing all of this? Not particularly. Will I make something of this? Maybe, if I had a good week or two free of any commitments, I could hammer out a decent, albeit cliche-ish story. Was it fun to do? Very, and I would happily do it again. And here's some of what I got. View attachment 2963320
Bringing out Snapdragon's '70s/'80s bishie roots in appearance while playing with his gender roles is a great idea, honestly.

Cute art, man.
 
I took Snapdragon and the two other male-punching bags, and overhauled their characterization and designs, wrote some plot points/major character interactions with them for them over 4 days and some hard tea.

Was there a point to doing all of this? Not particularly. Will I make something of this? Maybe, if I had a good week or two free of any commitments, I could hammer out a decent, albeit cliche-ish story. Was it fun to do? Very, and I would happily do it again. And here's some of what I got. View attachment 2963320
Dude, that's so cool!

You oughta do more, because you deserve a free internet.
 
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