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FUTURE OF TRANSPORTATION

Hello, Fellow Car. We’ve Got a Problem. Let’s Talk. / https://archive.ph/nZufq

A system called C-V2X — cellular vehicle-to-everything technology — will allow vehicles to communicate with each other, with a goal to save lives in the process.
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By Eric A. Taub
Oct. 5, 2022
This article is part of our series on the Future of Transportation, exploring innovations and challenges that affect how we move about the world.

Communication is key to any good relationship. But when it comes to vehicles and their owners, silence largely prevails.
Except for a few vague warning lights on the dashboard and side mirrors — and a few sensor-based sounds in some recent models and, of course, car horns — drivers know nothing about what the vehicles and pedestrians around them are about to do. A dangerous obstruction in the roadway, two cars about to move into the same lane, or a bicycle coming out of a blind alley up ahead are a few potential surprises, with the driver finding out about them often too late — sometimes with deadly results.

Yet by later this decade much of such surprises is expected to change. Manufacturers are developing systems generically known as C-V2X — shorthand for cellular vehicle-to-everything technology — for vehicles to communicate with each other and pedestrians, cyclists, construction workers (via wearable sensors or smartphones) and road infrastructure elements, like traffic lights.

With V2X technology, a car whose sensors or cameras detect a pothole in the roadway will be able to notify their drivers, giving them time to take evasive maneuvers. Highway workers will be alerted to an oncoming vehicle that’s traveling too close to them. School bus drivers will be warned against letting children off if a vehicle fails to stop. And bicyclists (and drivers) will be made aware of each other before possible collisions.

“While passive safety such as seatbelts and active safety from such things as lane departure warning has improved occupant safety, fatalities outside the vehicle are growing,” said Anupam Malhotra, senior director of connected services for Audi of America. “We’re now working to provide cooperative safety, sharing safety-related information with others.”

Audi has spearheaded work in V2X technology, collaborating with the Virginia Department of Transportation and in Alpharetta, Ga., on tests that feature vehicles that can communicate with school buses, highway workers and cyclists. C-V2X test vehicles were able to detect stopped school buses, vehicles running a red light, construction workers in the roadway, and bicyclists in blind spots or attempting to turn in front of a turning vehicle. And those vehicles and people could, in turn, detect the C-V2X vehicle.

In a recent demonstration of the technology at Audi’s offices in Oxnard, Calif., a bicyclist equipped with a V2X sensor drove across the path of an Audi e-tron. Before the cyclist was visible to the driver, a warning sound and icon appeared on the instrument panel, giving the driver time to brake.

In addition to increased safety, vehicle communication can reduce driver anxiety. Some Audi vehicles in 103 U.S. cities, using a different technology, can already communicate with traffic lights, with a countdown to a green light appearing on the instrument panel. Simply knowing when the light will change can make driving in stop-and-go traffic less stressful.

These alerts and warnings can be conveyed on a vehicle’s instrument panel, a hand-held device placed in a jacket, or even on a smartphone. And it will be relatively easy for car manufacturers to incorporate automatic emergency braking into the V2X system.
V2X technology could also be used for so-called “dynamic geofencing,” said Johannes Springer, the director general of the 5G Automotive Association, a cross-industry organization developing transportation services. For example, when excess emissions are detected in the atmosphere, a hybrid vehicle that is tracked traveling within a virtual perimeter could be instructed to drive only in electric mode, he said.

“I can’t imagine future vehicles without V2X technology,” said Ram Iyer, senior vice president for connectivity at Harman International, a supplier of vehicle technology. “Because the human attention span is decreasing, you’ll look for these technologies to save your life.”
V2X technology is expected to appear in vehicles as soon as the 2025 model year. But until there’s a large population of vehicles capable of communicating, the handful that can will largely be talking to themselves.

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Some vehicles in China already offer V2X in certain locations and with limited features, such as warnings about possible collisions, blind spots, loss of control and traffic jams. And in Europe, certain Volkswagen models offer a different form of V2X technology, known as Car2X; those vehicles can network directly with other VWs, informing each other of critical traffic situations, including broken-down cars and approaching ambulances.

While many manufacturers have committed to offering V2X technology, there are still hurdles to overcome, beyond the necessity of reaching a critical mass. The U.S. government had initially recommended a mandate of V2X technology for new vehicles, but the recommendation was rescinded during the Trump administration. And some of the spectrum that the Federal Communications Commission had assigned for V2X communications was reallocated for other uses. The F.C.C. said that C-V2X technology was rendered unnecessary by the increasing ubiquity of in-vehicle sensors and cameras, a position with which the Alliance for Automotive Innovation, an industry trade group, disagrees.

“We’ve had a 10-year battle with the F.C.C. for radio spectrum,” said Hilary Cain, vice president of technology, innovation, and mobility policy at the alliance. “Now technical rules for C-V2X still need to be finalized. But V2X is very important because unlike traditional vehicle sensors, C-V2X can see around corners and through things.”

To communicate, the industry will initially employ LTE cellular technology; to avoid transmission delays, vehicles will speak to each other directly, not through cellular transmission towers. Eventually, the system will switch to 5G standards, allowing for faster communication.

One piece of positive news: V2X safety features will not cost extra.

“I’ve never heard of any auto company planning to profit off of this safety technology,” Ms. Cain said. “And it’s a cooperative technology. All vehicles will be able to communicate with each other, regardless of make.”

“V2X is a very important feature in vehicles; it will make an enormous contribution to safety,” said Maite Bezerra, a smart mobility and automotive industry analyst at ABI Research, a technology intelligence firm in London.

“There are so many accidents today that could be prevented. And with advanced warnings of traffic jams and red lights reducing sudden braking, fuel efficiency will also be improved.”

While manufacturers and governments around the world see the value of V2X, none have mandated its use. In China and Europe, V2X will become part of their New Car Assessment Program, or N.C.A.P., with models receiving points for including V2X systems.
In the United States, the F.C.C. has not yet promulgated final rules governing V2X standards. A number of automakers — including Audi, Ford, Jaguar Land Rover — as well as several state departments of transportation and equipment manufacturers have filed a request to the F.C.C. for a waiver, which if granted, will allow C-V2X technology to be offered. The waiver request, filed last December, has not yet been acted on.

But the industry is not waiting. Audi, for example, is working with bicycle and equipment manufacturers to offer V2X transponders for cyclists and expects to begin offering V2X in its 2025 model year vehicles.

“We’re currently including V2X in the development of our vehicle architecture, as we can’t wait, and we need to be ready,” said Mark Dahncke, Audi of America’s director of product communications.

“The first person who sends us a letter saying, ‘You saved my life,’ will make it all worth it.”
 
(((fellow car)))

I can see I'm going to have to either learn how to keep an ancient car working, or learn how to hack my car just to keep it from spying on me at this point.
 
So many of these articles sound like paid advertisements but I can't help but notice these journalists seem to believe, at least outwardly, the bullshit they're peddling.

Simply knowing when the light will change can make driving in stop-and-go traffic less stressful.
Some countries already have this due to everyone driving a manual or a motorcycle. If this becomes commonplace I expect these same outlets to complain about people starting too soon.
 
“I can’t imagine future vehicles without V2X technology,” said Ram Iyer, senior vice president for connectivity at Harman International, a supplier of vehicle technology. “Because the human attention span is decreasing, you’ll look for these technologies to save your life.”
Maybe, just maybe, that's the actual problem we need to solve here?
 
I want to be outraged about how the THEM! will use this to something but they pretty much already can so much this won't really change things on that front, and it's not like us dumbfuck monkeys are any good at driving anyways
 
If I buy a car that has this in it, I will personally drive to the car lot in front of all of the other cars and park.

I will get out and open the hood.

I will then lobotimize any vehicle I own with a cordless drill while the other cars stare in horror as they listen to my car scream.
 
Looks like I'll be driving cars from the mid 2000s well into the 2050s, ffffffffuck this.

Default-on lane assist trying to run you into other lanes of traffic in roadwork areas is bad enough as it is without a comprehensive remote killswitch being installed in every new car.
“I’ve never heard of any auto company planning to profit off of this safety technology,” Ms. Cain said. “And it’s a cooperative technology. All vehicles will be able to communicate with each other, regardless of make.”
Sorry, a comprehensive cooperative "profitless" remote killswitch, and I guess technically it isn't a killswitch on its own...it's just a necessary component for such a killswitch.
 
I agree with y'all 'bout the possible malice and overreach from this, but the real kicker is the idea of this ever fucking working. Mesh networks are already notoriously fickle little shits for admitting or rejecting connections, with chinesium wireless chips refusing to talk to 90% of other shit out there for hardware fault reasons. Vehicle sensors and informational systems are so garbage right now that your car would mistake a shadow for a pothole and a nigger for a turning lane. Any attempt to make the vehicle act on this information will lead to public trolling and mass customer refusal. And none of this works at all in adverse conditions like heavy rain, fog, snow, IE any normal weather outside of silicon valley.

Remember, cell and data tracking is accepted by normies because it doesn't stop your device from doing shit. But if your car can force you to come to a complete stop because someone decided to put a cardboard cutout in the street, and refuses to let you out because this is a full motorway and its not safe to leave the vehicle, people will bring that shit right back to the dealership. Trying to mandate a objectively worse immediate experience for no perceptible consumer game won't get you anywhere.
 
Mesh networks are already notoriously fickle little shits for admitting or rejecting connections, with chinesium wireless chips refusing to talk to 90% of other shit out there for hardware fault reason
fuck, wireless lans barely work half the time, much less this magic shit
 
I agree with y'all 'bout the possible malice and overreach from this, but the real kicker is the idea of this ever fucking working. Mesh networks are already notoriously fickle little shits for admitting or rejecting connections, with chinesium wireless chips refusing to talk to 90% of other shit out there for hardware fault reasons. Vehicle sensors and informational systems are so garbage right now that your car would mistake a shadow for a pothole and a nigger for a turning lane. Any attempt to make the vehicle act on this information will lead to public trolling and mass customer refusal. And none of this works at all in adverse conditions like heavy rain, fog, snow, IE any normal weather outside of silicon valley.

Remember, cell and data tracking is accepted by normies because it doesn't stop your device from doing shit. But if your car can force you to come to a complete stop because someone decided to put a cardboard cutout in the street, and refuses to let you out because this is a full motorway and its not safe to leave the vehicle, people will bring that shit right back to the dealership. Trying to mandate a objectively worse immediate experience for no perceptible consumer game won't get you anywhere.
I hope you're right. My fear is that the ignorance and laziness of consumers is so total that they'll put up with anything.

I mean, my parents still watch YouTube ads, for Christ sake.
 
A quick search suggests this uses 5.895-5.925 GHz band? I can't say for certain why, I'm not a radio expert, but some cars might develop a small defect where they shit out noise on that band and render C-V2X completely unusable in the immediate area.

I would never encourage anybody build a 5.9 GHz radio and overwhelm that band as doing so is 100% illegal.
V2X technology could also be used for so-called “dynamic geofencing,” said Johannes Springer, the director general of the 5G Automotive Association, a cross-industry organization developing transportation services. For example, when excess emissions are detected in the atmosphere, a hybrid vehicle that is tracked traveling within a virtual perimeter could be instructed to drive only in electric mode, he said.
I fucking hate the anti-Christ so much it's unbelievable.
 
I hope you're right. My fear is that the ignorance and laziness of consumers is so total that they'll put up with anything.

I mean, my parents still watch YouTube ads, for Christ sake.
That is the fear. But even content like advertising is stuff that we are historically already adapted to, and doesn't really make the show worse, just breaks it up. Whereas your car saying "Can't drive to work today, outside your allocated geofence" or "Your vehicle has been disabled for international emissions awareness day" or just coming to a dead stop in the street due to sensor misreads is not something consumers are adjusted or adapted for. The whole premise of a car is to more or less let you go around our extremely expansive cities freely, when you need to, without being dependent on someone else or on living in the right location.

Its not an inconvenience slapped onto the side of the main purpose, its a knife through its heart. The real avenues of car fuckery to look out for are stricter ownership laws and a push towards cars as a service.
 
I agree with y'all 'bout the possible malice and overreach from this, but the real kicker is the idea of this ever fucking working. Mesh networks are already notoriously fickle little shits for admitting or rejecting connections, with chinesium wireless chips refusing to talk to 90% of other shit out there for hardware fault reasons. Vehicle sensors and informational systems are so garbage right now that your car would mistake a shadow for a pothole and a nigger for a turning lane. Any attempt to make the vehicle act on this information will lead to public trolling and mass customer refusal. And none of this works at all in adverse conditions like heavy rain, fog, snow, IE any normal weather outside of silicon valley.

Remember, cell and data tracking is accepted by normies because it doesn't stop your device from doing shit. But if your car can force you to come to a complete stop because someone decided to put a cardboard cutout in the street, and refuses to let you out because this is a full motorway and its not safe to leave the vehicle, people will bring that shit right back to the dealership. Trying to mandate a objectively worse immediate experience for no perceptible consumer game won't get you anywhere.
I like how this "car-to-car" communication system requires cyclists and pedestrians to wear a transponder for it to work.
 
"Hey fellow car, your driver is going too fast, you should slow him down. We're all going 5mph under the limit today."

"Hey fellow car, your driver has his turning signal on. We don't think he should pass us, as it would be unsafe unless he increases speed over the limit. Better remove manual steering control for now."

"Hey fellow car, your owner made a problematic post on Facebook which violates the TOS regarding hatespeech against transgender individuals. He can't drive today."
 
This stuff is in early DVD stage - multitude of competing standards (C-V2X vs DSRC vs 802.11p vs ITS-5G...). The one that's reasonably robust and with least shitty licensing terms - OR - the one that has sufficient market monopoly (think Tesla chargers) wins.
 
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