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I can't help but wonder tho, what would be the correct way to execute the idea?
Force them together on screen and play it up for comedy rather than drama. Just have their shittiness play off of one another's and escalate to absurdity, and make it so that Olivia isn't as caught up in it so she can just do the moody teenage girl thing and "ugh, you guys are so weird!" at them.
 
Make both the faggot and the spoiled royal brat irredeemable?
You focus more on how stella growing up and having her interests and hobbies stomped on to prepare her for her wedding. Have it be the one thing she clung to and then show the damage being engaged to a homosexual that couldn't feel attracted to her caused.

That isn't a story these series would touch with a 100 foot pole though. It isn't difficult to write it's more or less stollas story just gender flipped.
 
"But Emily, that guy, that "I am redeemed guy" was RAPING ME, Emily. I was a civilian POW in Iraq, and that Sergeant was RAPING AND TORTURING ME, Emily!"

"Oh, just smile and move on, chud! Heaven is not about YOU being happy! It starts with Sorry!"
It always bothered me how these people care more about criminals than their victims. Not just the way they ignore or minimize/eroticize suffering (*cough*Angel Dust*cough*), but to dismiss victims like this is really close to the victim blaming they bitch about so much. I know many of them see criminals as "victims too," but you can't redeem these people in general. The show can't handle how redemption would actually work save for more cut-and-dry cases like Pentious, so it doesn't bother outside of trust falls and group therapy sessions. They themselves know that token apologies are bullshit, with the gift baskets, but true redemption means actually improving yourself as a person.* Problem is when you think your characters are fine just the way they are, you don't want them to change. You're fighting your own premise every step of the way, while acting like the premise was never there in the first place.

Bitch ain't losing weight she'll turn deathfat before 40. *I'm sure she thinks losing would be just as easy as Angel Dust not doing drugs and drinking moderately now. Despite being a drug addict. I bet it'd be so easy, she can just start tomorrow!
 
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It absolutely could work, the issue us that the execution was poor.
Yes, but actually no.
The issue is that viv fucked helluva boss up the moment she decided she was gonna be the main baddie with little to no connection to the original concept that launched the series, people came there for the assassination stuff, NOT the gay drama, that was the fuck-up.
Make... I dunno, let's say a group of satanists that are performing pagan ritual to empower the white bird, make the faggot bird start to commission them to kill the same satanists under false name, add some drama and intrigue as she has to prove he caused the death of her worshipper and he conceals his evidences, a skilled writer would even make the woman bird do the same with the gay bird worshippers, so the imps inadvertitedly find themselves struck as the focal point of a conflit between those two.
I am coming out with this shit while writing it, how the fuck being a better writer than her is THIS FUCKING EASY?!?
 
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"But Emily, that guy, that "I am redeemed guy" was RAPING ME, Emily. I was a civilian POW in Iraq, and that Sergeant was RAPING AND TORTURING ME, Emily!"

"Oh, just smile and move on, chud! Heaven is not about YOU being happy! It starts with Sorry!"

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I know in Christianity there's the whole forgiving one another because Jesus Christ has forgiven all our sins and we are supposed to aspire to be like him. There's also the whole when you ask Jesus to come into your heart, he cleanses you of your old sinful self and you becaome a new better person that turns away from all the sins you once commited. It's why in Christian media, a person who is a non-believer that becomes a believer does a whole 180 personality change.

Now, Viv is obviously not doing this teaching of Christianity. So this questioning of how comfortable some of the Winners would be with Sinners that commited sins against them should be brought up. But I honestly don't think Viv is going to delve into that. I mean with Sir Pentious's backstory, we are focused more on his guilt than the actual victims themselves that got murdered. And these women will probably never be brought up again. And then there's Angel Dust killing his father, which I'm sure that whole story will be just a mess. Emily is surprisingly the only character that is actively trying to right the wrongs of what Heaven did to Hell, and she didn't even have any part of doing the terrible deed. And yeah, gift baskets were definitely not the best thing to start with ny making amends, but at least she's trying.

Also, we all know that these people hold the biggest grudges over the smallest of slights.
 
Make... I dunno, let's say a group of satanists that are performing pagan ritual to empower the white bird, make the faggot bird start to commission them to kill the same satanists under false name, add some drama and intrigue as she has to prove he caused the death of her worshipper and he conceals his evidences, a skilled writer would even make the woman bird do the same with the gay bird worshippers, so the imps inadvertitedly find themselves struck as the focal point of a conflit between those two.
I am coming out with this shit while writing it, how the fuck being a better writer than her is THIS FUCKING EASY?!?
Have Stolas' one worshiper invoke him to assassinate New Orleans ADA Ian Kersting.
 
Also, we all know that these people hold the biggest grudges over the smallest of slights.
Its funny how Smiling friends nailed the idea of christian Hell being a ridicolous place you are sent to for the stupidest reason by having Charlie's grandma say
"OH, I cursed and said "Damn" in 1958 when I saw your grandfather being shot in the head by that ROTTEN burglar."
Have Stolas' one worshiper invoke him to assassinate New Orleans ADA Ian Kersting.
Funny.
Still, demons having a cult of living worshippers that make pagan rituals in their name (and eat babies) would be kind of a funny concept. Too bad viv has no immagination and instead made the council of gay demons.
 
It absolutely could work, the issue us that the execution was poor.
Stella did nothing wrong.
You focus more on how stella growing up and having her interests and hobbies stomped on to prepare her for her wedding. Have it be the one thing she clung to and then show the damage being engaged to a homosexual that couldn't feel attracted to her caused.
There was a way to do this with both characters being sympathetic. This wasn't it.

Actually, Stella is the more sympathetic of the two despite the hamhanded attempts to portray her as some kind of unadulterated villain acting out of pure evil. What kind of doormat would put up with the shit Stolas does?
 
She did do that once, though, and went full Family Guy:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=3k7QLkl3bvw:15Direct link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k7QLkl3bvw&t=15
The sacrifice Was too old but she is right with stolas (the stolas in mythology at least) being uninterested in blood sacrifices and worship. Really the one thing she gets right is that aspect of his character.


The mythological stolas was more or less a guy who just wanted to be alone to look at stars and tend to his herd garden...huh ok maybe she was right to make him an effeminate faggot too.
 
Is there anyone at SpindleHorse who's a normal person lmao

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"That Nazi oversaw the execution of me and my whole family at Auschwitz!"

"Yes, but he said he was sorry."
Two issues:
1) A jew will never find heaven
2) If a jew does somehow find heaven then the infinite love of heaven will make their mortal hatreds and prejudices moot, what is earthly wrong compared to infinite divine happiness?
The issue is that viv fucked helluva boss up the moment she decided she was gonna be the main baddie with little to no connection to the original concept that launched the series, people came there for the assassination stuff, NOT the gay drama, that was the fuck-up.
So exactly what I said then: The execution was poor although the idea was decent.
 
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