Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[InJailOutSoon]

Lillith, being a human woman originally, would theoretically just be a sinner, right

Well Lilith is a special case because (unless the show decides to say otherwise) never died.

 

[Stumbling9]

Someone is making First man opening (still WIP)

Source

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Well Lilith is a special case because (unless the show decides to say otherwise) never died.

Yeah but once again this falls into the camp of being unable to actually reference the source material since Hazbin makes so many alterations and tweaks to it that you cannot definitively say.

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

Yeah but once again this falls into the camp of being unable to actually reference the source material since Hazbin makes so many alterations and tweaks to it that you cannot definitively say.

Reminds me how when it was supposedly confirmed Adam did in fact ate the apple, someone understandably was confused, since they never actually show it, with another person replying that it wasn't necessary to do so, because Adam eating the apple is common Bible knowledge.

 

[Sooty Soot]

What did Vivianne Medrano mean by this?

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

because Adam eating the apple is common Bible knowledge.

Sure, but Lillith being Adam's first wife is heretical to Christianity, so we've clearly already thrown the Bible out the window.

 

[GoodWinSon]

Sure, but Lillith being Adam's first wife is heretical to Christianity, so we've clearly already thrown the Bible out the window.

The first rule of fujoshi fan fiction is to disregard established lore.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

The first rule of fujoshi fan fiction is to disregard established lore.

Well yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. But then the show establishes its own lore and then also disregards that!

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Yeah but once again this falls into the camp of being unable to actually reference the source material since Hazbin makes so many alterations and tweaks to it that you cannot definitively say.

Reminds me how when it was supposedly confirmed Adam did in fact ate the apple, someone understandably was confused, since they never actually show it, with another person replying that it wasn't necessary to do so, because Adam eating the apple is common Bible knowledge.

Sure, but Lillith being Adam's first wife is heretical to Christianity, so we've clearly already thrown the Bible out the window.

The first rule of fujoshi fan fiction is to disregard established lore.

Well yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. But then the show establishes its own lore and then also disregards that!

And this is one of the issues with this show is that it obviously wants to not be connected to biblical lore and wants to do it's own thing. Which is fine. But at the same time it expects you to know biblical lore that is not shown in the actual show. And it just makes everything so confusing. And it's obvious that Viv never planned any of this through.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

And this is one of the issues with this show is that it obviously wants to not be connected to biblical lore and wants to do it's own thing. Which is fine. But at the same time it expects you to know biblical lore that is not shown in the actual show. And it just makes everything so confusing. And it's obvious that Viv never planned any of this through.

Personally I would say that it's the show's single largest issue.

 

[Castoreum]

And this is one of the issues with this show is that it obviously wants to not be connected to biblical lore and wants to do it's own thing. Which is fine. But at the same time it expects you to know biblical lore that is not shown in the actual show. And it just makes everything so confusing. And it's obvious that Viv never planned any of this through.

It's almost like it's written by a non-Christian who thinks their knowledge of the religion itself learned by osmosis of pop culture depictions of said religion are as deep as it goes. The bible ain't THAT long. Could have read it and made funny digs at the ridiculous stuff... but nah. Gotta criticize the boringest parts bc Adam and Eve and gay people bad are all outsiders know ig.

 

[Susie Legion Simp]

Actually that reminds me, we haven't seen Eve yet! I assume Lilith will be a part of the next season, but what about Eve? Normally I'd assume she'd be one of the Winner Angels, but she hasn't shown up at all! Seems pretty fishy to me. Lucifer mentioned he had maybe been with her when he was taunting Adam during their fight, but that's it. And I don't know if he was just saying that or what...
Something else I was sort of expecting Adam to appear in Season 2 as a Sinner Demon. I mean if Sinners can redeem themselves, and become Winners, then is there any reason why the opposite shouldn't be true? Since Adam was so awful I was kind of expecting something like that to happen. Since he and Sir Pentious share the same voice actor, it would be like their characters switched places after "dying".

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Actually that reminds me, we haven't seen Eve yet! I assume Lilith will be a part of the next season, but what about Eve? Normally I'd assume she'd be one of the Winner Angels, but she hasn't shown up at all! Seems pretty fishy to me. Lucifer mentioned he had maybe been with her when he was taunting Adam during their fight, but that's it. And I don't know if he was just saying that or what...

In the prologue of the first episode we see that red character that represents evil and they have the exact same silhouette as Eve so I'm sure there's some fuckery going on there.

ETA: But then again that storybook is so weird because it talks about the purges but the purges are only seven years old so the book is clairvoyant. So who the fuck knows? Once again the show can't keep its own fluff straight.

 

[Quesursundeepimpact48]

If Demons were once Angels, or at least in the HH-verse, the offspring of former Angels, it bears remembering that like 90% of the time that angels show up in the Bible, the first thing they have to do is tell whoever they just showed up in front of to chill the fuck out & that they don't have to be afraid.

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I think the issue with the idea is it almost works better with someone who isn't the main character, otherwise, they'd probably wind up being able to solve way too many of the issues that come up with just basic intimidation and brute force, which isn't super conducive to the plot. I think it would work better with an ancillary character, who may be neutral or even friendly to Charlie, but not an active supporter of hers.

About 1/3rd of the angels in Heaven defected when Lucifer left, so while many demons are fallen angels, not all of them are equally powerful. The appearance of the angels in their "natural state" is very rarely seen. For example the picture you linked is of a Ophanim (aka Thrones/Erelim) who guard the throne of God, so humans will almost never see them. Sorry if this is off topic. Viv has the understanding of heaven/hell & morality of a child. Also writes like a child too

Edit; A youtuber, Bornstellar did a good video on HH being demonic propaganda if people want to delve more

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Edit; A youtuber, Bornstellar did a good video on HH being demonic propaganda if people want to delve more

Bro, it's not that deep. Her understanding of the source material is so shallow and inconsistent that to claim it as propaganda implies a level of intent and grasp of meaning that simply isn't there.

 

[The Nothingness]

The incomplete pilot of El Guapo vs. The Narco Vampires did what Hazbin Hotel has yet to achieve after two seasons: establish a redemption arc for a sympathetic character.

Also the character designs, most of them being based on Universal Monsters, are way better.

 

[King Metalia]

Reminds me how when it was supposedly confirmed Adam did in fact ate the apple, someone understandably was confused, since they never actually show it, with another person replying that it wasn't necessary to do so, because Adam eating the apple is common Bible knowledge.

Scripture has no dominion in Viv's fandom. If it did HH and HB would be infinitely less gay and Adam would be the hero of the story.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Scripture has no dominion in Viv's fandom. If it did HH and HB would be infinitely less gay and Adam would be the hero of the story.

And the most populace denizens of Hell would be jeets and chinks and arabs.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

I read a post somewhere of someone making a point that Charlie feels more like a newcomer to Hell than someone who has lived there for their entire life.

And yeah, I know she is supposed to be the "sheltered princess", but that doesn't really work if the princess is over 200 years old and is able to travel seemingly anywhere she wants to with no restrictions.

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

I read a post somewhere of someone making a point that Charlie feels more like a newcomer to Hell than someone who has lived there for their entire life.

And yeah, I know she is supposed to be the "sheltered princess", but that doesn't really work if the princess is over 200 years old and is able to travel seemingly anywhere she wants to with no restrictions.

Saw a discussion regarding that on 4chan, and people are debating on if it is actually canon that Charlie is 200. I might need to watch the pilot again, but if I recall, the date of the family photo saying 1871 was removed in the final product. Wouldn't be surprised if they do decide to rectify that Charlie is only in her 20s. Not that would make her dating a potential 7 year old any less weird. but that would at least make her missing Lilith more reasonable as she would be gone for a third of her life versus her being gone for what is about 1/40 of it.