Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[HektorInspektor]

Beezlebub is the definition of a character with "good on paper but completely and horribly terrible in execution".-ism. No matter what someone says, I will never look at her for more than ten seconds and come to the conclusion she's meant to represent a fly AND be the representation of Gluttony. F-. Entirely rework her.

Hazbinbros will look at you dead in the eyes and tell you that this is supposed to be a bee:

If I recall correctly, she's supposed to be a repurposed oc from ZooPhobia. Even then, that's the fucking problem: if you're gonna reuse your characters, plaster them in roles that actually fit!!!
"Let's make a character who's the boss of gluttony"
>fails to be gluttonous in any sense of the word. You didn't even have to make her a big-back--they failed at communicating that she promotes excess.
>Fails to look even 10% like a bee despite pushing the "beelzebub" pun.
>fails to BE FUCKING GLUTTONOUS. Why the fuck is she advocating for moderation? NIGGA YOU ARE IN FUCKING HELL
Never fails to surprise me how vivzie manages to be so bad but so good at the same time. For every beelzebub, there's at least one Octavia, or Stella or Mammon. All 3 of which I consider amazing designs.
I find vivzies shows as entertaining to talk about as modern pokemon games. Yeah the games past the 3ds have sucked balls, but they're not completely bad as in all aspects of the game are unenjoyable as in a modern ubisoft title. Pokemon still has its strong creature and character designs and music too. Both hazbin and pokemon give you so much shit to talk about but sometimes the shit tastes good once in a while.

 

[L.V. Danslalune]

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I found this cool Charlie redesign on a instagram from an account called alkiri_art_orignal

I really like this. There would then be an interesting juxtaposition between an eldritch looking horror like this who is nothing but kind and ultimately means well, but at times just seems a little off. This reminds me of another take on Charlie which was kind of like that, and the dynamic between Alastor and Charlie was flipped so that he was the one a little intimidated by her, which further reminds him that he's playing with someone who could smite him in a split second.

 

[The tired cat]

I really like this. There would then be an interesting juxtaposition between an eldritch looking horror like this who is nothing but kind and ultimately means well, but at times just seems a little off. This reminds me of another take on Charlie which was kind of like that, and the dynamic between Alastor and Charlie was flipped so that he was the one a little intimidated by her, which further reminds him that he's playing with someone who could smite him in a split second.

Reminds me of this comic

 

[Castoreum]

In fairness to Vivz people want to actually fuck her characters, to the point they go into debt to animate weird music videos as misguided as that is.

Toonfuckers so desperate for non-anime husbandos and waifus they'd goon to an amalgam of acute angles.

 

[The Saltening]

Toonfuckers so desperate for non-anime husbandos and waifus they'd goon to an amalgam of acute angles.

Spoiler: NSFL

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Spoiler: NSFL

7785165-3a61a0928619f0125c2a98da3855f15d.mp4

FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS (allegedly)

 

[LatinasAreTheFuture]

I heard this shows (and the spin off) art style and writing described as "Hot Topic" and i thought it was very on point.

 

[Sooty Soot]

I'm watching Helluva Boss and I can see what people were getting at when they said it's what Hazbin would be if Amazon didn't have any oversight, it even carries over every character being a fruit in some way, I've found myself being much more stone-faced when watching HB in comparison to HH. If Hazbin is the Hell yaoi show, then Helluva is the crossdressing Hell yaoi-rape show.

 

[Castoreum]

Hazbinbros will look at you dead in the eyes and tell you that this is supposed to be a bee:
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If I recall correctly, she's supposed to be a repurposed oc from ZooPhobia. Even then, that's the fucking problem: if you're gonna reuse your characters, plaster them in roles that actually fit!!!
"Let's make a character who's the boss of gluttony"
>fails to be gluttonous in any sense of the word. You didn't even have to make her a big-back--they failed at communicating that she promotes excess.
>Fails to look even 10% like a bee despite pushing the "beelzebub" pun.
>fails to BE FUCKING GLUTTONOUS. Why the fuck is she advocating for moderation? NIGGA YOU ARE IN FUCKING HELL
Never fails to surprise me how vivzie manages to be so bad but so good at the same time. For every beelzebub, there's at least one Octavia, or Stella or Mammon. All 3 of which I consider amazing designs.
I find vivzies shows as entertaining to talk about as modern pokemon games. Yeah the games past the 3ds have sucked balls, but they're not completely bad as in all aspects of the game are unenjoyable as in a modern ubisoft title. Pokemon still has its strong creature and character designs and music too. Both hazbin and pokemon give you so much shit to talk about but sometimes the shit tastes good once in a while.

Say what you will, but Beelzebub is exactly how furries design their fursonas. 99% of furry artists are incapable of drawing anything but canids, so they just draw a dog and put antennae on it, claiming it's a bee. It's stupid and the perfect furry bait at the same time.

Just Google "mantis shrimp fursona" or "nudibranch fursona" to see what I mean. More than half the results have dog-like qualities like fluffy ears/tails, paws, etc. Like even when they try to draw cats you'll often see supposed felines with dog snouts.

Bee is exactly the kind of design a YT essayist could go on about for three hours on why it fails and succeeds at the same time.

 

[Croaking Spider]

FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLARS (allegedly)

Imagine paying 50 grand for a music video of your fujoshi webtoon waifu chasing you down and forcing herself on you, AND NOT EVEN GETTING YOUR DICK WET IN IT. Who spends that kind of money to blue ball themselves? If you're gonna goon, at least do it right.

Yet somehow, it's still less degenerate than the premise of the actual music video. I'll take a nerd nigga getting his goon on over necrophilia. Banger song though.

 

[Friendly Primarina]

Spoiler: NSFL

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My introduction to the Hellaverse

 

[The Saltening]

My introduction to the Hellaverse

oh you poor thing.... im so sorry

 

[A Very Big Fish]

I really like this. There would then be an interesting juxtaposition between an eldritch looking horror like this who is nothing but kind and ultimately means well, but at times just seems a little off. This reminds me of another take on Charlie which was kind of like that, and the dynamic between Alastor and Charlie was flipped so that he was the one a little intimidated by her, which further reminds him that he's playing with someone who could smite him in a split second.

If Demons were once Angels, or at least in the HH-verse, the offspring of former Angels, it bears remembering that like 90% of the time that angels show up in the Bible, the first thing they have to do is tell whoever they just showed up in front of to chill the fuck out & that they don't have to be afraid.



I think the issue with the idea is it almost works better with someone who isn't the main character, otherwise, they'd probably wind up being able to solve way too many of the issues that come up with just basic intimidation and brute force, which isn't super conducive to the plot. I think it would work better with an ancillary character, who may be neutral or even friendly to Charlie, but not an active supporter of hers.

The example that weirdly sprang to mind was the old man Marley from the first Home Alone movie, who initially freaks Kevin out because he's a stoic old man, who is rumored to be a murderer. However, when Kevin later meets him in church, you find out that Marley is a kind, if reserved man who is dealing with an estranged family and being alone during the holidays. Later when the robbers finally get the drop on Kevin, Marley is able to quickly knock them out, as he's an adult and can actually fight the robbers, unlike Kevin who had to rely on his wits and traps.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I think the issue with the idea is it almost works better with someone who isn't the main character, otherwise, they'd probably wind up being able to solve way too many of the issues that come up with just basic intimidation and brute force, which isn't super conducive to the plot. I think it would work better with an ancillary character, who may be neutral or even friendly to Charlie, but not an active supporter of hers.

Not necessarily with Charlie though. Her angelic heritage and the fact that her father is an angel, albeit a fallen one, would probably make her more kind hearted and less willing to coerce or shanghai others into going along with her. Remember, Lucifer in this setting is basically Prometheus rather than biblical Lucifer or the Lucifer of Paradise Lost. For all we know the Hazbin Hotel Lucifer holds no ill will towards God, Heaven, or his former angelic brothers and sisters.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Hazbinbros will look at you dead in the eyes and tell you that this is supposed to be a bee:
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If I recall correctly, she's supposed to be a repurposed oc from ZooPhobia. Even then, that's the fucking problem: if you're gonna reuse your characters, plaster them in roles that actually fit!!!
"Let's make a character who's the boss of gluttony"
>fails to be gluttonous in any sense of the word. You didn't even have to make her a big-back--they failed at communicating that she promotes excess.
>Fails to look even 10% like a bee despite pushing the "beelzebub" pun.
>fails to BE FUCKING GLUTTONOUS. Why the fuck is she advocating for moderation? NIGGA YOU ARE IN FUCKING HELL
Never fails to surprise me how vivzie manages to be so bad but so good at the same time. For every beelzebub, there's at least one Octavia, or Stella or Mammon. All 3 of which I consider amazing designs.
I find vivzies shows as entertaining to talk about as modern pokemon games. Yeah the games past the 3ds have sucked balls, but they're not completely bad as in all aspects of the game are unenjoyable as in a modern ubisoft title. Pokemon still has its strong creature and character designs and music too. Both hazbin and pokemon give you so much shit to talk about but sometimes the shit tastes good once in a while.

It's because Beelzebub wasn't really designed to be the representation of Gluttony; she was designed to be Kesha's fursona. You can say what you want about the other Sins' designs, but you can kind of get the idea of what Sin they would represent. Bee on the other hand is so much of an outlier that she doesn't even have the circus/carnival theming around her like the others. She's supposed to represent an animal tamer, but nothing about her main design would give you that notion until her second appearance where she finally wear something atune to an animal tamer in the court episode. Let's also not forget the the bloated mess of her design supposedly to be some fox-bee 2010's party girl but also a 60's free-spirit hippy. Because Viv can't ever stick to just one premise for a character; she has to have multiple things going on for one person, like how Angel Dust is a mobster as well as a porn star and a stripper and a hooker.

I posted a redesign of Beelzebub on here before that made her a bee and also followed the animal tamer theme that was never really there to start with. But there are plenty of redesigns that have Beelzebub actually feel like the Sin of Gluttony instead of some sparkledog Viv wanted her favorite artist to voice act that is no longer going to be voicing the character anyway.

Also this is not getting into the confusing lore of this character like how she is another Sin that is dating a lower class which nobody cares, but she also is in charge of the hellhound orphanages that are shit.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Also this is not getting into the confusing lore of this character like how she is another Sin that is dating a lower class which nobody cares, but she also is in charge of the hellhound orphanages that are shit.

Isn't Beelze just a redesign of the smaller yellow furry from her Stay Young video?

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Isn't Beelze just a redesign of the smaller yellow furry from her Stay Young video?

You're talking about JayJay, who Vivziepop bought from Dollcreep (never crediting them btw) for her Zoophobia comic. She is most well-known in the Die Young video that Viv animated, which was originally a song sung by Kesha. People have noticed the resemblance, which some believing that it's a homage.

Interesting enough, there was another character that was basically a stand-in for Kesha in Zoophobia, whose name was Keisha (very original) first before being changed to Queen.


Now which one did she take the most inspiration from? You tell me; they both are very similar to each other.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Now which one did she take the most inspiration from? You tell me; they both are very similar to each other.

See that's what I'm saying though. It's very clear that this is her OG fursona and the fact that she somehow managed to land Kesha into the VA role for the character based on the Kesha AMV that launched her entire career is another aspect that makes me think Beelze is an intentional update/amalgamation of those three character designs.

 

[Grumpy Pickle Rick]

Not necessarily with Charlie though. Her angelic heritage and the fact that her father is an angel, albeit a fallen one, would probably make her more kind hearted and less willing to coerce or shanghai others into going along with her. Remember, Lucifer in this setting is basically Prometheus rather than biblical Lucifer or the Lucifer of Paradise Lost. For all we know the Hazbin Hotel Lucifer holds no ill will towards God, Heaven, or his former angelic brothers and sisters.

You brought up a topic that has been on my mind: Charlie’s heritage.

Her heritage and her conception has always bothered me. Charlie is a demon princess but that doesn’t make any sense because as you said, Charlie’s father is an angel. Lucifer may be a fallen angel but he’s still an angel.

So technically, Charlie should be like a nephilim (half-angel) because in biblical lore, a nephilim is the offspring of a fallen angel and a human woman. Or at least, Charlie should be half-angel (Lucifer) and half-demon (Lilith).

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Technically, Charlie should be like a nephilim (half-angel) because in biblical lore, a nephilim is the offspring of a fallen angel and a human woman. Or at least, Charlie should be half-angel(Lucifer), half-demon(Lilith).

IIRC the Nephilim being angelic offspring is actually a Jewish thing but I digress, we also never get confirmation that Lillith is a demon at all either. She has demonic features but then again so do the sinners and they aren't demons, and Lillith, being a human woman originally, would theoretically just be a sinner, right? So Charlie is the Hellborn (whatever that actually means) offspring of an angel that is unambiguously still heavenly despite his status as fallen and a human woman.

The show is so inconsistent and all over the place with its fluff, man. It's hard to make heads or tails of it most of the time because it doesn't borrow from any of the Abrahamic faiths in anything but the absolute broadest of strokes and so you have to treat it as its own mythos more or less completely divorced from that but then it does such a bad job of setting up its own original ideas that you're never sure what's actually part of the fluff and what is supposition that you made up yourself.