Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[The Saltening]

That would be an interesting, and perhaps even needed topic considering what it does to people, but Tumblr crowd aside, consider what her world view is. if someone like viv starts tugging that thread it could lead to conclusions that she personally does not want to come to. Putting that aside, while there’s a lot to work with when it comes to Angel Dust and porn and drugs, but for viv, those aren’t sins at the end of the day, because something like murder hurts someone else while watching porn or doing drugs doesn’t. It’s twisted, but that’s what people like her believe.

its truly unfortunate to have so much potential just to throw it away like that. Porn is extremely destructive to everyone involved and yet she wont touch that. She will talk about the abusive side of the industry tho because thats a well known fact most people have to acknowledge exists.

I wonder if she has any internal turmoil over this problem. Like is she faced with these questions? Does she think about the other options at all? Does she do it for herself or for others?

Like you would think that building a world like this would cause some internal struggles as you have to work around all these problems.

not to mention how we just all pretend its normal that an immortal soul can die. what? How the fuck does an immortal soul die? The whole point of the afterlife is that it is forever. Souls cant die. Where do they go? What happens?

idk

 

[InJailOutSoon]

so one thing that bothers me is that in the first episode in heaven when they are watching angel dust and charlie is arguing for his salvation.

like yeah he appeals to the rules adam wrote down. but he is still actively a porn star and (unknown at the time) a murderer (omfg its so fucking gay thats his big sin).

And its like yeah... you can do all those good things and still go to hell because you held onto some sins. Like you can be an amazing person in every aspect of life and still go to hell because you refuse to stop committing 1 specific mortal sin that might not even harm anyone but yourself.

you can think thats fucked up but i find it kinda lame how that whole scene went down. Yes he is showing signs of having morals of some sort. but his biggest sins are still not addressed.

The whole courtroom scene is a shitshow because the majority of the modern writers don't know how to write one. None of the angels, including Sera, knows what gets someone to Heaven. Yet they use the checklist Adam quickly wrote up that was a gag earlier, as an official guideline as to how someone gets to heaven. When Emily sang "checked all the boxes that you said would", Sera should have shot that down because she never said Adam's checklist is what gets someone into heaven.

And there's the line that Charlie and Emily "if angels can do whatever, and remain in the sky"; um...no they can't. I know this is before the whole Vaggie reveal, but they both know that Lucifer was an angel at one point, right? He's kind of the reason for why there are Sinners in the first place. So no, angels can't do whatever they want. They have rules to follow too.

And speaking of Vaggie, very disappointing that Vaggie never made a choice in whether she was going to support her girlfriend's mission or not so as to keep her past hidden. Adam pressures her once at court and she makes an excuse that she has to go to the bathroom...and that's it. And I know, Adam was probably going to reveal no matter what Vaggie did, but what a waste of a big character moment.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

its truly unfortunate to have so much potential just to throw it away like that. Porn is extremely destructive to everyone involved and yet she wont touch that. She will talk about the abusive side of the industry tho because thats a well known fact most people have to acknowledge exists.

I wonder if she has any internal turmoil over this problem. Like is she faced with these questions? Does she think about the other options at all? Does she do it for herself or for others?

Like you would think that building a world like this would cause some internal struggles as you have to work around all these problems.

not to mention how we just all pretend its normal that an immortal soul can die. what? How the fuck does an immortal soul die? The whole point of the afterlife is that it is forever. Souls cant die. Where do they go? What happens?

idk

They don't care about that, they want to feel good and seek pleasures, even non sexual ones. Because "complicated" and even "unpleasant" things in life just make these types of people upset and they want to screech in order for people to change and solve their problems.

 

[FK009]

not to mention how we just all pretend its normal that an immortal soul can die. what? How the fuck does an immortal soul die? The whole point of the afterlife is that it is forever. Souls cant die. Where do they go? What happens?

This is the first thing that came into my mind when I stumbled upon HH. Especially when angels started dying. I’m sorry, I made it into the Kingdom of Heaven, and I can still die? What?

Then again these people don’t really believe in the soul, so it’s not like they can make an afterlife. Just look at the Ending of The Good Place.

While on this topic, At least with killing a sinner there’s a macabre logic to it that angels can have to justify the action. ‘We can’t save them, but we can keep them from suffering for all eternity and lay them to permanent rest.’ It would give Adam and his crew more to work with, and you could actually justify the masks by having the exterminators use them to hide their ptsd ridden faces.

they both know that Lucifer was an angel at one point, right? He's kind of the reason for why there are Sinners in the first place.

But if we actually focus on that, then we may have to hold sad duck boy accountable for his actions and say that in the story of Eden he and lilith were in the wrong, and modern writers can’t have that.

 

[cremechocolate]

not to mention how we just all pretend its normal that an immortal soul can die. what? How the fuck does an immortal soul die? The whole point of the afterlife is that it is forever. Souls cant die. Where do they go? What happens?

It's already been author stated a while back that when a sinner gets permanently killed, they become part of hell, hence all the eyes everywhere. So technically they never truly die, they just become a spectator.

 

[The Saltening]

It's already been author stated a while back that when a sinner gets permanently killed, they become part of hell, hence all the eyes everywhere.

wait really? i mean thats still kind of gay but at least its something i guess?

 

[Retink Retunk]

It's already been author stated a while back that when a sinner gets permanently killed, they become part of hell, hence all the eyes everywhere. So technically they never truly die, they just become a spectator.

Does the CoD: Hell lobby reset when the last sinner dies or do they get booted and need to find a new server?

 

[cremechocolate]

Does the CoD: Hell lobby reset when the last sinner dies or do they get booted and need to find a new server?

No, it would just keep going since there's always going to be new sinners.

 

[Retink Retunk]

No, it would just keep going since there's always going to be new sinners.

Not if an angel nuke like Vox made takes them all out at once. That's the real strategy to get a free respawn and out of spectator lobby. Just get that Pain Killer Already.

 

[L.V. Danslalune]

Vox was a white guy from the 50s and AFAIK saying nigger was more accepted back then. It's possible he might've referred to Velvette (a black woman) as a Negress once or twice given he's still kind of racist even now.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Vox was a white guy from the 50s and AFAIK saying nigger was more accepted back then. It's possible he might've referred to Velvette (a black woman) as a Negress once or twice given he's still kind of racist even now.

My grandfather, who is not racist, still uses the term negro to refer to blacks in a polite way, since for most of his life that was the polite way to refer to blacks. Language is a malleable thing, but ingrained habits and behaviors are not.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

My grandfather, who is not racist, still uses the term negro to refer to blacks in a polite way, since for most of his life that was the polite way to refer to blacks. Language is a malleable thing, but ingrained habits and behaviors are not.

In Portuguese & Spanish, "negro" is a term that carries no ill meaning to people of African ancestry, but rather neutral. Albeit as of recent - 20 years or so, they are changing that, in the sense of "Depends on how the victim thought he/she was being referred to". Personally, I would favour "European", "Asiatic", "African" & "Amerindian", since east asians are already called "Asians", while Blacks and Whites aren't called "Africans" or "Europeans".

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

In Portuguese & Spanish, "negro" is a term that carries no ill meaning to people of African ancestry, but rather neutral

I am aware of that but I come from the United States, where the word has plenty of negative connotation. He also uses the term "Oriental" as a proper way to refer to Asians and that's also become a naughty no-no word within the past twenty years or so.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

I’ve been spending the last couple months getting fed up with people drooling over “toxic yuri” and just in general wondering what the hell is wrong with people who are obsessed with lesbians.

It's the two girls from the new Pokemon game, isn't it?

My grandfather, who is not racist, still uses the term negro to refer to blacks in a polite way, since for most of his life that was the polite way to refer to blacks.

Reminds me of an episode of Quantum Leap set in the 50s, where this elderly white woman believed that negro was a more polite way to refer to black people than the alternative.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

While on this topic, At least with killing a sinner there’s a macabre logic to it that angels can have to justify the action. ‘We can’t save them, but we can keep them from suffering for all eternity and lay them to permanent rest.’ It would give Adam and his crew more to work with, and you could actually justify the masks by having the exterminators use them to hide their ptsd ridden faces.

Yeah, but then it would be harder to toot for the "good guys" so all the exorcists have to be one-dimensional bloodthirsty psychopaths. Except when we got that one flashback of Vaggie's trauma. Then they can have a little more complexity to them.

Edit: Also wanted to add that it's pretty much the same way with the background Sinners too. They're all unreasonable assholes until the exorcists are involved. Then they're showed in a more sympathetic light so we as the audience can pity them.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

It's the two girls from the new Pokemon game, isn't it?

Damn, that obvious? Doesn’t help that the fairy chick irritated the shit out of me, and her fans are just making me dislike her more.
Anyways, on a positive note I came across some character redesigns that actually look pretty nice without deviating too much from the originals for the most part. Here’s some of my favorites for the hell of it.

Spoiler

 

[Retink Retunk]

Vox was a white guy from the 50s and AFAIK saying nigger was more accepted back then. It's possible he might've referred to Velvette (a black woman) as a Negress once or twice given he's still kind of racist even now.

I never knew Velvette was black.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Damn, that obvious? Doesn’t help that the fairy chick irritated the shit out of me, and her fans are just making me dislike her more.

Hard to tell who's more annoying, the people who goon to Jacinthe and Lebanne, or the people who think Jacinthe is some kind of abusive monster who made Lebanne her slave.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Reminds me of an episode of Quantum Leap set in the 50s, where this elderly white woman believed that negro was a more polite way to refer to black people than the alternative.

Back then it was. Blacks was considered crass and the term African-American didn't see widespread use until at least the early seventies.

ETA: Niggers was always considered derogatory but negro was considered proper english. It's up there with terms like mullato, mestizo, castizo, oriental, etc. as terms used to refer to people of specific ethnicities or regions. The terms are, academically, proper English, but due to political concerns they have been relegated as racist. Back in my grandfather's day you could refer to blacks as either "blacks" or "negros" but "blacks" was considered a less proper term.

ETA2: I decided to look it up and it seems that the first usages of the term "African-American" was in the late 70s and it gained popularity throughout the 80s. But the first to popularize the term as the de-facto term for blacks was in December 1988 when Jesse Jackson and a few other prominent black leaders promoted the term as a replacement for "negro" and "colored" as the standard terms used to refer to blacks.

 

[L.V. Danslalune]

I saw someone bring up God, The Devil and Bob in this thread in relation to Hazbin and I wanted to talk about something that happened in the former that I don't believe has been explored in the latter and may never be.

In the episode "Bob's Father", when Bob's father dies Bob is upset when he finds out that he actually went to Heaven instead of Hell, since he was abusive to Bob his entire life. He has a heart-to-heart with God about it and it went something like this:

1. God tells Bob that ultimately he's not required to forgive his father for what he did - in fact He tells him that he's right to be mad at his father for the way he treated him.
2. God says that ultimate forgiveness is His job. He tells Bob about his grandfather, who was ultimately more abusive to Bob's dad than he ever was to him. Bob rightfully points out that it didn't justify anything his father did to him, so God frames it differently. What God told him was that his father did his best to "pass down a softer punch", which is to say try to be a better father. But it's likely that the trauma Bob's father experienced warped his views of what was right and what was wrong, so even if what Bob's father was doing was better relative to his father, to Bob it was indeed abusive. What mattered was that God saw that Bob's father was genuinely trying to better himself despite what happened to him, and that doing so proved he was able to enter Heaven.

The concept of "passing down a softer punch" is effective because it ultimately shows a positive domino effect when you try to change your own behavior. You pass down a softer punch to your son, who passes down a softer punch to his son, and eventually the punch is so weak that you can't even feel it. I have the feeling that Vivziepop may want to explore this but is unable to because of the retarded fandom thinking it's glorifying abusers, when it's ultimately about accountability.