Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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Feels like whenever the writing gets too good, Viv's fujo brain kicks on and inserts some random yuri and yaoi action to eat up time. These last two episodes were good, they had actual interaction and conflict that felt natural, but suddenly Chaggie get a duo song and suddenly their relationship is fixed.

Val saying "I'm from Florida" was funny as shit though.
 
Not surprised by this really. It's obvious that Viv really has no idea what she wants to do with the whole "Vaggie was an exorcist" ordeal and only made this decision because it was a very popular fan theory in the pilot days. It's why the big lesson she had to learn in season 1 is how she shouldn't fight for revenge and instead should fight for love....even though she was already doing that.
 
The show is getting worse each episode is more convoluted then the next. This was a rinse and repeat for spys in the hotel. Which makes me wonder whats the point in having Pentious being the spy first when ANGEL IS ALREADY THERE! Not only that but Baxter works for Vox too so you have 3 spys now! Fuck me man.

Hypnosis stupid
AngelDusts drag was really ugly.I don't find anything attractive to it, hell his Addict song made him look more "attractive" when he was doing his bad pole dancing.
As an animator that dress bottom was so disgusting to look at i was freezing frame by frame just to see what was going on because I thought they forgot to animate the curls. Its hard, stilted, broken and no flow when hes moving and sliding around. He also looked heinous in that outfit, not sexy and its weird they randomly gave him curves when hes the flatest character in the ass department. It was trying to be Jessica Rabbit so hard.

The songs have gotten so bad. The 6ths songs were horrible and the plot was bad the only three songs I have liked so far was

Husks song
Dragqueen AngelDusts song
Voxs song When we get up there

And theres 24 songs in this. I feel like alot of these songs lyrics don't make sense, or that the songs are just a repeat of information.

Plus alot of the scenes are bad. Like Rosie laughing and telling us how he died. When Rosie should of just stopped after she talks about how he died in a hilarious way. Then SHOW us those clips instead of Rosie's narration of WHAT happened (him dragging a body, a dog barking with the hunter, hunter aims for him seeing hes a deer and BLAM.) Then have Rosie laughing after those flashbacks. I'm not blind Viv and adults which you say your show is catered to have comprehension skills and don't need to be told whats going on like this is Dora the Explorer.
 
What’s funny is that I’ve actually seen some people on twitter complaining about it not being more explicit. More in a sense of “So we can have Angel loudly moaning about how much he loves dick and Stolas and Blitzo being loud as fuck, but the lesbians only get soft metaphorical shit. Typical fujo moment.”
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What I find the funniest is the one guy censoring “Charlastor”, like saying a ship name is akin to saying Voldemort or something.
The song was fine like it is although random. I like that Charlie and Vaggie have a scene that makes them feel more like they're actually attracted to each other (as opposed to friends who kiss occasionally) without going the cringeworthy horny route. The high pitched moaning and talk about dicks that the gay male characters do is embarrassing and I'm glad Chaggie isn't like that but with pussies lol. It would also be out of character to have Charlie and Vaggie act super horny, they're just not sex pests like Stolas and Angel.
 
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Well fuck
 
Can I just say, I cannot get over Lucifer dropping literal hellfire with "I'm the serpent, I'm the flame, the mortal world is scared to say my name" only to immediately follow it up with "I'm so spooky!"
 
Can I just say, I cannot get over Lucifer dropping literal hellfire with "I'm the serpent, I'm the flame, the mortal world is scared to say my name" only to immediately follow it up with "I'm so spooky!"
Royal rat vanguard from dark souls 2 has more aura than him.

Prove me wrong
 
Which makes me wonder whats the point in having Pentious being the spy first when ANGEL IS ALREADY THERE! Not only that but Baxter works for Vox too so you have 3 spys now!
Yeah, that confused me too. Okay Angel is the spy whatever, that's fine, then what the fuck was the point of Pentious in S1? And Baxter openly works for Voxtek, he literally didn't even hide it, so why can't he tell Vox what is happening in the hotel? Angel being a hypnotized spy is just so unneeded except to make his character more tragic/abused.

So Vox can't hypno other overlords but he can hypno a literal sin and King of Hell? I hope to fuck there's an explanation for this (there probably won't be).
 
This Jew admits it
Jews called the extermination to silence the Christians speaking out
Empowering each other
You did it to keep us down

Well, we are not gonna be kept down anymore
Consider this a declaration of holy war
I've woken up the people to the lies you Hebrews tell
When we pay you a visit, we won’t be bringing baskets
We'll be bringing decimation that'll put you in caskets
I’ll show you what it means to be the motherfuckin' king of Israel

'Cause I'm the fuhrer, I'm immense (Heil Vox)
I am the avatar of your consequence (Heil Vox)
I'm your omega, I'm the flood (Heil Vox)
I am the nightmare you made when you spilled our blood (Heil Vox)

So cower and hide, find a rope you can swing from
Go say your goodbyes, to your lives, to your kingdom


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Can I just say, I cannot get over Lucifer dropping literal hellfire with "I'm the serpent, I'm the flame, the mortal world is scared to say my name" only to immediately follow it up with "I'm so spooky!"

Ahem.

You could solve every writing, character, and worldbuilding issue this show has, and it would still almost certainly fail thanks to its reliance on bathos.
 
Now that I've seen both episodes I will give some thoughts.

-The topical writing ranged from brilliant ("At Voxtech we love women in STEM") to cringe ("peaceful protests").
-Even with the "make Hell great again" line, Vox came off less like Trump and more like a race hustler going off on whitey for systemic oppression (and you can visualize Emily as the AWFL ready to give reparations).
-Why didn't Vox just keep Alastor gagged so he won't spread dissent among the Vees? While Vox's ego blinding him fits the character and is a reasonable explanation, it still feels like "he didn't do it because the script says so."
-Charlie being more angry, albeit briefly, at learning Vaggie went behind her back instead learning she is an angel is a laugh.
-The Chaggie song was worse when heard in its entirety. And Vaggie's VA was auto-tuned to the extreme.
Can I just say, I cannot get over Lucifer dropping literal hellfire with "I'm the serpent, I'm the flame, the mortal world is scared to say my name" only to immediately follow it up with "I'm so spooky!"

His own subjects see him as a laughingstock. Can't harm sinners but can be a victim of their powers. This classic Rodney Dangerfield line fits Lucifer.
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Yeah, that confused me too. Okay Angel is the spy whatever, that's fine, then what the fuck was the point of Pentious in S1? And Baxter openly works for Voxtek, he literally didn't even hide it, so why can't he tell Vox what is happening in the hotel? Angel being a hypnotized spy is just so unneeded except to make his character more tragic/abused.


So Vox can't hypno other overlords but he can hypno a literal sin and King of Hell? I hope to fuck there's an explanation for this (there probably won't be).
You just need to follow Vivienne’s train of thought when watching her stuff and then it’ll make sense.

“I don’t know, I just thought it’d be cool.”

“I don’t know, I just thought it’d be funny.”

“I don’t know, my fans said they’d really hate that.”

“I don’t know, I just get uncomfortable representing x like that.”

“I don’t know, I just really like what I’ve created here and don’t really want to ruin it.”
 
You just need to follow Vivienne’s train of thought when watching her stuff and then it’ll make sense.

“I don’t know, I just thought it’d be cool.”

“I don’t know, I just thought it’d be funny.”

“I don’t know, my fans said they’d really hate that.”

“I don’t know, I just get uncomfortable representing x like that.”

“I don’t know, I just really like what I’ve created here and don’t really want to ruin it.”
One of my friends and I were talking about this some time ago. He said something like “Vivzie built both of her shows off of aura moments, and they fail miserably.” She goes on about how long ago something was written, but I don’t think she puts much thought into it other than any of the above.
 
What’s funny is that I’ve actually seen some people on twitter complaining about it not being more explicit. More in a sense of “So we can have Angel loudly moaning about how much he loves dick and Stolas and Blitzo being loud as fuck, but the lesbians only get soft metaphorical shit. Typical fujo moment.”
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What I find the funniest is the one guy censoring “Charlastor”, like saying a ship name is akin to saying Voldemort or something.
These people want an X-rated series, apparently. Damn son.
Found this and my god Alastor really looks better when he isn't in his suit

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Oh... my.... GRRR!!! Appropriation of the East Asian culture!!!!
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They look awesome. Is this merchandise from the Japanese localization or?
I'm quite sure Viviane had 10 different goonsessions with that scene alone. And you bet this will be the source of hundreds of fanfics.
I wonder if Vivzie even remembers this image exists.
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Edit, the quotes have complaints about power scalers.
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Okay yeah, whatever, it’s still dumb.
BTW, where the fuck are the Helluva Bullshit characters during these events? Didn't they say there would be an overlap? Shouldn't Mammon show up and want to score some bucks or something? Maybe fucking Wrathguy, whoever he is, start fights between the public and bring issues to Vox? Satan, help Vox?
What about some random Goetias???? Maybe a cameo of the faggot owl, but other goetias that weren't introduced?

I don't know man. I want Adam back, dude. Give him a fucking gun or something.
 
BTW, where the fuck are the Helluva Bullshit characters during these events?
I think season 2 was already well into production by the time amazon took helluva boss. We probably won't hear from them until season 3, though I do think I briefly saw one of those Fizz robots in episode 6 or something?
 
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