Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[didelphigina]

It just doesn't help writing wise as they ALL sound like this. At least the suggestion would make Vox dialogue different. Is anyone else getting that if you took the characters names above their lines and just read their lines you WOULDN'T be able to tell the difference?

It's exactly why the "They just grew up to the modern times!" excuse doesn't work when everyone's acting like raging millenials. When there's no real DIVERSITY of sinners of different backgrounds, cultures, usage of speech and interaction, etc., everyone in the Pride Ring all feel like they died in the same decade or year rather than from centuries apart. Where's the group of sinners that reject this version of current hell? What was hell even like hundred years back? Did it evolve alongside human civilization? There's so much to go by but nothing to add into it because the worldbuilding came second and yaoi/angst trauma came first.

It's been said countless times but you would have not believed Vox is meant to be someone who died in the 50s. You wouldn't have believed Alastor died in the near mid-20th century. You wouldn't have believed Sir Pentious died in 1888. They all feel like they died in the same era. There's nothing that culturally/socially makes them stand out aside from their personalities.

It's such a huge let down.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

So here are my thoughts on episode 4. I know my tangent will be kind of long on Vox, but I'll try to talk about other things in the episode as well. It's just that this was mostly a Vox and Alastor episode (female-led show my ass):

-Charlie has still not learned her lesson from last episode, and is still not listening to the advice from her girlfriend. I don't know why she thinks the people at Voxteck are just not going to screw her over again, but whatever. She's canonically an idiot. Maybe this is a flaw that will be addressed later on.

-Ugh, Katie Killjoy. While I'm glad that her simping for Vox only was one line in her dialogue, that doesn't mean I still don't loathe what they have done tho this character. And the VA doesn't help. Even if she does say something slightly funny (the line "I'm not homophobic; I just hate gay people" did get a small chuckle out of me), fucking Brandon is all I can hear and that really undermines any sort of humor I could have possibly gotten from this character because the voice is that distracting.

-Nifty is kind of cute with her song, but I can't really say much about her. This pretty much goes for the majority of the hotel cast, who are feeling like they're taking a backseat as main characters for this season.

-The whole Rosie/Alastor scene has been talked to death here since the leak, so I feel like there's nothing more to add. Just that Viv saying that Alastor's and Rosie's relationship is similar to Mary Poppin's and Bert's relationship is a joke. Unless there's an unheard song of Mary singing to Bert how he's her pet.

-Speaking of Alastor, he's definitely playing some 4d chess here. Him making a deal with Vox is something he purposely did, and Vox is to stupid/egotistical to see that. Also, he plot demanded it. There's been a theory going around that Alastor will break out of Rosie's deal by having Vox become a more powerful sinner than him. From the leaks of notes that were posted, we do know that Alastor is going to break his deal off with Rosie and Vox by the end of the season. Wonder how Alastor will break his contract with Vox. Maybe Vox will attempt to harm Charlie or something along the line.

-And now Vox. I have complex feelings on him. He was a cult leader when he was alive, okay, but when we see him in Hell in the past, he doesn't really seem like one? Like, maybe it will be revealed later on that he wasn't as successful as a cult leader as he portrayed himself to the Vees. His personality in the past is mixed for me. What isn't, is the reason for his obsessive hatred on Alastor. I was hoping there would be something more to it. I thought Alastor rejecting to work with him would be more like the tip of the iceberg. I truly thought that Vox was frustrated that he had to constantly change and keep up with trends to rise in power, while Alastor could remain the same and still rise as well. And Vox just couldn't figure out why this was the case. Hence his obsession on Alastor and beating him. But no. Turns out it was all because Alastor hurt his "fee-fees". Which brings me to the one-sided love from Vox. If this happened like 5 years ago, I don't think I would have mind that much of Vox having feelings for Alastor. But now, I am so tired of all these relationships from these shows being based on sex and romance. Why can't anything be just a friendship? I don't need to see the almost ten minutes of Radiostatic fanservice in this show. If anything, the sexual pining of Alastor from Vox just makes me feel like I opened one of the writer's private folder and whatever you were attempting to do with this, I can't take seriously now. Especially, since it seems like there are hints of Vox having a redemption arc later in the show. In itself, I don't think that's bad idea. I just don't think this show has the skills, time, or maturity to pull such a feat.

So yeah, this show brings up some interesting ideas. But the execution of them is done so poorly. Which is a shame because there is some potential in this piece of fiction. It's just that the person behind this project doesn't know what they're doing most of the time.

Also, I know I didn't mention the 7 year extermination reveal in my bullet points. I just thought it would have been pretty redundant to repeat what I said before about this revelation. All I'll say, the people in Hell are stupid for not realizing that Lilith disappearing was the reason that the exterminations happened in the first place.

 

[The tired cat]

It's exactly why the "They just grew up to the modern times!" excuse doesn't work when everyone's acting like raging millenials. When there's no real DIVERSITY of sinners of different backgrounds, cultures, usage of speech and interaction, etc., everyone in the Pride Ring all feel like they died in the same decade or year rather than from centuries apart. Where's the group of sinners that reject this version of current hell? What was hell even like hundred years back? Did it evolve alongside human civilization? There's so much to go by but nothing to add into it because the worldbuilding came second and yaoi/angst trauma came second.

It does say something that so far only 2 characters that stick to the "century we lived in" is Mimzi and Zestiel aka two side characters.

 

[L.V. Danslalune]

I keep thinking on some various ways to improve/rewrite Charlie's character because a lot of people don't really like her portrayal. One idea is that Charlie could be genuinely nice but off-putting somehow, to make it clear that she's not fully human. Or at the very least for her to have a powerful ability - like a form of clairvoyance that actually lets her peer into people's pasts. But of course, just because she knows what they've done doesn't make it any easier for them to redeem themselves. The image below is basically what I think the problem with Charlie is - she doesn't seem to think.

 

[Retink Retunk]

-Nifty is kind of cute with her song, but I can't really say much about her. This pretty much goes for the majority of the hotel cast, who are feeling like they're taking a backseat as main characters for this season.

I think Nifty shows a lot of the issue with the show, she's a fun character and they make use of her VA knowing Japanese to make the character more fun, but despite having all of that they still leave her as a bland husk of what she could be. The people behind the scenes like the VA drive so much of the show and make it better if you know about something like that, but the show itself seems to squander all of that and doesn't seem to really take advantage of it beyond the surface level.

Same with Velvette and Lute, the best characters tend to be the ones we see the least of because they're probably able to keep their identity without being sucked into the weird homogenous gay orgy of personality that is the show.

Rosie

The problem with her is how does she do what she does? If she's able to make the deal that she did she should be Lucifer levels of powerful which brings up more questions than answers and I wouldn't be surprised if we learn one day they didn't like people guessed Lilith would be Alastor's patron so they changed it to stick it to the audience like other shows have which always ends poorly.

I truly thought that Vox was frustrated that he had to constantly change and keep up with trends to rise in power, while Alastor could remain the same and still rise as well. And Vox just couldn't figure out why this was the case.

That would have been great, too bad the writing sucks.

-Ugh, Katie Killjoy. While I'm glad that her simping for Vox only was one line in her dialogue, that doesn't mean I still don't loathe what they have done tho this character. And the VA doesn't help.

I don't get the VA choice on this one, it was jarring and again what did Vivzie mean by it that the male voiced woman hates lesbians?

 

[Doctor of Autism]

The problem with her is how does she do what she does? If she's able to make the deal that she did she should be Lucifer levels of powerful which brings up more questions than answers and I wouldn't be surprised if we learn one day they didn't like people guessed Lilith would be Alastor's patron so they changed it to stick it to the audience like other shows have which always ends poorly.

I mean the Lilith idea comes from people thinking that the real Lilith is disguised as Rosie while the one in Heaven is Eve

Especially with how much Rosie kind of mothers Charlie and is using Alastor as a guard dog to keep her safe

 

[1337H4XOR]

Next episode will be Lucifer vs Vees

 

[man_made_of_meat]

Vox to Alastor: "Fuck you, twink!"

the pot calling the kettle black

 

[man_made_of_meat]

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HE'S A CUCK!
HE'S FRAUD!
HE'S STOIC!

This is straight out of a Webtoon comic, it s so bad it gets hilarious. They cant be serious

 

[Beggamania]

Controversial, but I like how Hazbin goes into a bit edgier territory with humour, and sometimes letting it treat itself not as seriously, like with Niffty music number, resembling Panty and Stocking. Sure, Vox and Alastor have one sided gay drama, but I feel like Vox won't be the type to wallow in it like Stolas, and instead do this humiliation ritual, ehich again, goes into sometimes letting it go a bit. The pacing feels a metric tonn betteer too. Sure, Charlie is...A little retarded, but for a fun watch, so far, it's way better than Season 1
Also musicles too. I really like Don't You Forget reprise, and as a fan of(God Forbid), le concept albums, hearing reference to Stay Gone was so satisfying (Vox consistently taking W after W for the best music number in my eyes, in each season). Overall, 7.1 for me. Flawed, and not that deep as some shows, but improvement in pretty much every regard I can think of.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

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HE'S A CUCK!
HE'S FRAUD!
HE'S STOIC!

So... are we supposed to take this scene seriously?

Remember those episodes every cartoon used to have where the mc ends embarrassing themselves in front of everyone for no reason? That was this episode, in a proper comedy it might have worked,

Yes, but what are Charlie's thoughts on Coolsville? She doesn't think Coolsville sucks, does she?

Actually breaks character for someone who died in like the 50's they JUST invented that word so I highly doubt he knew what the fuck that even ment.

I thought Alastor died in the 30s.

 

[The tired cat]

I thought Alastor died in the 30s

1920s, which man its still one gaping hole ,that his ass was given a radio announcer voice and being to mingle in high society...in fuckin Louisiana. Like, any North state? Sure, you could sell the idea. But in the fucking South and him being of mixed bloodline? Fuuuck noooo

 

[man_made_of_meat]

To the ones that did watch the show, did they make Alastor randomly murder both black and white people, men and women, like it was shown in the leaks?
Because disregarding his entire storyline, which is utter bullshit and imho not believable for a time and place where Jim Crows laws were active, also his serial killer modus operandi for the way it has been laid down doesnt make much sense; it takes you 10 mins of research and you will find out that most serial killers will target people belonging to their own race for example, so even in the mindset of a victim of opportunity scenario, it s highly unlikely that he would have ran around targeting both black and white men and women with no set of preference. I will admit to an extent that statistics also speak about a higher percentage of black serial killers being way more inclined to target race mixing victims for the sake of clarity.

 

[sex haver]

There's been a theory going around that Alastor will break out of Rosie's deal by having Vox become a more powerful sinner than him. From the leaks of notes that were posted, we do know that Alastor is going to break his deal off with Rosie and Vox by the end of the season. Wonder how Alastor will break his contract with Vox. Maybe Vox will attempt to harm Charlie or something along the line.

That's what I think is going on too. He's going to help Vox become just a tiny bit more powerful than himself, which invalidates his contract with Rosie and makes him independent.

As for getting out of Vox's control, I figure he's just going to ask Charlie.

Last season he made the deal with Charlie that in the future, he gets one favor that does not involve violence.

His deal with Vox is that he cannot "lay his hands" on Charlie.

Really, she could just walk in and pick him up and she has to do it, and Vox can't stop her. I'm sure they'll play with it a bit like putting Alastor somewhere she can't reach or something, but ultimately that's what I figure the plan is.

Another theory I've seen around is that way back near the beginning of S1, he makes a deal with Vaggie to create the TV commercial for the hotel, but in exchange asks to never have to engage with television again... and now he's being broadcast Hell-wide on TV. I see what they are getting at but that one is a bit more flimsy to me, imo.

I really like Don't You Forget reprise, and as a fan of(God Forbid), le concept albums, hearing reference to Stay Gone was so satisfying

That was really good. Not everything is great but I do enjoy a lot of the music in both shows.

 

[NSJAP]

 

[The Nothingness]

To the ones that did watch the show, did they make Alastor randomly murder both black and white people, men and women, like it was shown in the leaks?
Because disregarding his entire storyline, which is utter bullshit and imho not believable for a time and place where Jim Crows laws were active, also his serial killer modus operandi for the way it has been laid down doesnt make much sense; it takes you 10 mins of research and you will find out that most serial killers will target people belonging to their own race for example, so even in the mindset of a victim of opportunity scenario, it s highly unlikely that he would have ran around targeting both black and white men and women with no set of preference. I will admit to an extent that statistics also speak about a higher percentage of black serial killers being way more inclined to target race mixing victims for the sake of clarity.

The only murder shown was of a snobby white guy bumping into Alastor, staining his shirt with red wine. The rest of the flashback shows rotting bodies and skulls in Alastor's home.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

To the ones that did watch the show, did they make Alastor randomly murder both black and white people, men and women, like it was shown in the leaks?
Because disregarding his entire storyline, which is utter bullshit and imho not believable for a time and place where Jim Crows laws were active, also his serial killer modus operandi for the way it has been laid down doesnt make much sense; it takes you 10 mins of research and you will find out that most serial killers will target people belonging to their own race for example, so even in the mindset of a victim of opportunity scenario, it s highly unlikely that he would have ran around targeting both black and white men and women with no set of preference. I will admit to an extent that statistics also speak about a higher percentage of black serial killers being way more inclined to target race mixing victims for the sake of clarity.

Blame all the people ranting that Alastor being white made him using voodoo extremely problematic, thus leading to him being “half creole”, which is also stupid.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Controversial, but I like how Hazbin goes into a bit edgier territory with humour, and sometimes letting it treat itself not as seriously, like with Niffty music number, resembling Panty and Stocking. Sure, Vox and Alastor have one sided gay drama, but I feel like Vox won't be the type to wallow in it like Stolas, and instead do this humiliation ritual, ehich again, goes into sometimes letting it go a bit. The pacing feels a metric tonn betteer too. Sure, Charlie is...A little retarded, but for a fun watch, so far, it's way better than Season 1
Also musicles too. I really like Don't You Forget reprise, and as a fan of(God Forbid), le concept albums, hearing reference to Stay Gone was so satisfying (Vox consistently taking W after W for the best music number in my eyes, in each season). Overall, 7.1 for me. Flawed, and not that deep as some shows, but improvement in pretty much every regard I can think of.

I mean it is far better that Helluva Boss, where we'll get ten straight episodes of relationship drama. Because Viv had control over how many episodes she wanted with no time limit per episode, unlike with Hazbin. I know that she says she has full creative control still now that HB will be streaming on Prime, but I'm curious if she'll have to keep each episode 22-25 minutes long.

1920s, which man its still one gaping hole ,that his ass was given a radio announcer voice and being to mingle in high society...in fuckin Louisiana. Like, any North state? Sure, you could sell the idea. But in the fucking South and him being of mixed bloodline? Fuuuck noooo

Actually he died in the 30s.

But your point still stands on everything else.

To the ones that did watch the show, did they make Alastor randomly murder both black and white people, men and women, like it was shown in the leaks?
Because disregarding his entire storyline, which is utter bullshit and imho not believable for a time and place where Jim Crows laws were active, also his serial killer modus operandi for the way it has been laid down doesnt make much sense; it takes you 10 mins of research and you will find out that most serial killers will target people belonging to their own race for example, so even in the mindset of a victim of opportunity scenario, it s highly unlikely that he would have ran around targeting both black and white men and women with no set of preference. I will admit to an extent that statistics also speak about a higher percentage of black serial killers being way more inclined to target race

The only murder shown was of a snobby white guy bumping into Alastor, staining his shirt with red wine. The rest of the flashback shows rotting bodies and skulls in Alastor's home.

We can assume that Alastor specifically targeted people who'd spite him, even if it was minor or completely on accident. And he used those bodies for his satanic. Interestingly enough, I didn't see any signs when he was alive that he was cannibalizing the bodies. I wonder if the cannibalism developed when he got to Hell, since Rosie is supposedly from the Cannibal Colony.

 

[Random Internet Person]

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]