Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[make_it_so]

Half the thread is admitting they are Catholics who are/were going through an atheist phase Vivienne Madrano.

Nah, I'm pretty sure most of us are better writers than Vivienne.

 

[HexagonalSonOfYakub]

Nah, I'm pretty sure most of us are better writers than Vivienne.

I bet a drunk leper has more combined skill, respect and empathy for writing about the concept of redemption of sinners rather than a fujo-brained tumblrite that would rather have her political opponents sodomized before breathing the same air as them.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

The first episode was actually very solid for the most part, and the Vee's song is fantastic. Enough has been said about how weak the second episode is through the leaks and we know the season is only getting more stupid as time goes on.

 

[A Very Big Fish]

But no, it's just a quirky, badly written show made for rebellious "YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO MOM/DAD!!" teenagers who think swearing and being a satanist is cool and subversive and totally not overdone. It could've showed the many different perspectives on how people view redemption. We could've seen a variety of cultures and actual diversity this woman loves thinking she has in the darn show. I'm still upset that everyone acts like rabid millenials and not to their respective era. To Dante's pit with the "but they grew to the modern times" excuse the fandom likes to throw into the fence.

It's funny, because I'm sure most fans of this show would parrot the dead horse of a meme that is, "LMAO Dante is just Bible fanfic" which just ignores the fact that it's one of the greatest epic poems of all time, and has endured for 7 centuries.

There are so many things to love about the poem, one of my favorites is that Virgil, Dante's guide, is damned. He will never see Heaven. And yet he leads Dante all the way through the blackest pits of hell, goes through the tribulations of the mountain of Purgatory, and even enters what is essentially a final cleansing flame, even though it will do nothing for him, just to give his friend Dante courage. Granted, he gets to hang out in the part of Hell for virtuous pagans, so its not too bad, but still.

One of my favorite scenes is when they reach the end of Purgatory, what they find is the Garden of Eden, and its explained that the Garden is left, for when God's lost children finally choose to come home to Him.

One of the poems big "symbols" is the stars. Throughout the poem, Dante uses them to give you a kind of progress check, for example, when he finally escapes Hell, he describes it as finally being able to see the stars once again. But it comes back, when Dante enters the Empyrean of Heaven and beholds the Beatific Vision, seeing God and all his Saints ends the book, saying that his desire and will was moved by “L'amor che move il sole e l'altre stelle.”


"The Love that moves the sun and other stars."

Half the thread is admitting they are Catholics who are/were going through an atheist phase Vivienne Madrano.

Wait, I thought she was an ex-Presbyterian, or some Protestant sect? I think one of my first posts to the thread (or maybe it was the Viv thread) was saying the show would make more sense if it was in Purgatory but I for some reason thought that she was coming at it from a Protestant background, so just assumed that was the reason she didn't. Even though it could easily solve a lot of problems, like, where are all the pedophiles and Hitler? Easy, they're in Hell, their time for penance is over.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Half the thread is admitting they are Catholics who are/were going through an atheist phase Vivienne Madrano.

Hey I was raised Christian which is very different that Catholicism, who if I remember correctly believe that living a good life is what send you to Heaven while the majority of Christians believe all you have to do is ask Jesus to forgive you.

Trying to wrap my head around some shit that comes to light in Season 2:

• Most Sinners are aware that they're in Hell for a valid reason, across both shows. Vox knows he ran a cult (or a "movement" as he put it) in life, Pentious has always had regrets for witnessing Jack the Ripper's crime spree and refusing to come forward, the teacher in HB turned her husband's affair into a crime scene and then killed herself etc.
• Sera mentions in Season 1 that neither Angels nor Seraphim (and perhaps even higher powers like the Speaker) don't know how souls get into Heaven. They just show up in the clouds outside, St. Peter IDs them, and they're allowed in.

... So are we meant to believe that in the hundreds of thousands of millions of years that the realm of Heaven has been in existence, not a SINGLE fucking angel thought "maybe we should ask them what happened in life in order to determine the criteria for entry"? How the hell does St. Peter ID people and let them into Heaven without knowing what they've done? Is the entire system based on assumption that because a soul arrived in the clouds, they're automatically entitled entry?
Completely forgot to add that the Cherubs run a service in Heaven that allows Winners to reward/bless living people, so by proxy this is also done upon assumption since their superiors don't know shit.

Yeah pretty much. There seems to be some unknown force at play that directs where a soul goes where they die. Hence why Sir Pentious got sent not to the gates of Heaven, but directly into Sera's and Emiy's room for...I guess the lols. The Speaker of God kind of explains how Sir Pentious was able to do this, but there are some things that are still unexplained regarding the circumstances. Like...do you have to die a permanent death after you redeem yourself to be able to go to Heaven?

Another subject: According to leaks, Vox ends up capturing Lucifer. Fucking how? He can teleport. HE'S THE KING OF HELL. How weak is he that a random Sinner can overthrow him? Is he going to exploit Lucifer's angelic abilities to get into Heaven? Under what authority? Gahhh.

This is a Vivziepop show remember. Lots of big things happen purely because of plot convenience. It's like how Andrealphus stupid plan was able to work in the episode Mastermind.

 

[A Very Big Fish]

Hey I was raised Christian which is very different that Catholicism, who if I remember correctly believe that living a good life is what send you to Heaven while the majority of Christians believe all you have to do is ask Jesus to forgive you.

Depends how you mean it, but generally no.

Thinking you can earn your way to Heaven is condemned as the heresy of Pelagianism in Catholicism.

I think the way I best heard it phrased is something like this, "The Catholic Church has long taught that salvation is a gift from God, freely given through His grace. This grace comes through Jesus Christ, whose life, death, and resurrection opened the way to eternal life. However, the Church emphasizes that humans must respond to this gift actively, not passively."

For example Jesus specifically says in the Gospel of John, "If you love Me, you will keep my commandments". That's an active thing that we have to do. Generally I think the distinction is more a matter of phrasing, and people trying to get retarded dunks on each other. Most Protestants aren't "Free Grace" where how you live literally doesn't matter as long as you accept Christ, and most Catholics aren't Pelagian heretics.

I think Lewis said it best:
“Regarding the debate about faith and works: It’s like asking which blade in a pair of scissors is most important.”

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Is he going to exploit Lucifer's angelic abilities to get into Heaven? Under what authority?

The second Vox tries to use Lucifer's busted ass holy signature to get inside the entire place just lights up

 

[InJailOutSoon]

You know, I do want to talk about this comic more:

It's strange that no character has made these points to Charlie, but I understand why. It's because Viv herself can't come up with a good enough counterpoint for these arguments. Hence why we will have no one who challenges Charlie have a reasonable take on the matter.

 

[didelphigina]

It's strange that no character has made these points to Charlie, but I understand why. It's because Viv herself can't come up with a good enough counterpoint for these arguments. Hence why we will have no one who challenges Charlie have a reasonable take on the matter.

Because the show would end past the third episode of the first season if someone pointed out the supreme obvious to her. She never clarifies on WHO she wants to redeem. She knows nothing about the sinners and the ones she does know, she's only getting the bare minimum. We have yet to even see a visualization of their actions that GOT THEM to hell in the first place. Her naivety is NOT an excuse.

It's forever beyond me that people had to wait six years for the BARE BASIC MINIMUM plot of the story to fruition, and even then it'll be poorly worked out.

I'm giving the first episode a watch right now through some random-literally-who react YouTuber that put some random filter on top of the episode to prevent a strike, I guess.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

>tfw the love of your life was killed by a bunch of remorseless demons and everyone you know is totally OK with this

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

Happy S2 premiere!
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This cracks me every time. If only Alastroon was this fucked over as gaybird and sinman (ASSmodeus) was...

Maybe that's why vivzie is trying to rewrite the Abrahamic origin of humanity, She despises how every matriarchal faith has bitten the dust so she's trying to remake the Genesis story to suit her needs, and vent her frustrations at her perceived weakness her
x x chromosome cursed her with in the process.

I know right; only different it's pretty hard when you only vaguely know stuff from Genesis and "that Jesus guy's story".

The hells in Buddhism are temporal, but they also go on for multiple times the current length of the universe, so its still a pretty bad time.

Right, no doubt! There is even the Chinese Diyu, which is similar - they view it as souls must go through a long process before being incarnated, through penance.

Sorry for double-positing but I just wanted to let you all know the first two episodes are on prime now. Since I've already technically seen the second episode, so I'm just waiting for the first episode to be posted online.

I thought all the season was released, and wanted to know if Vox died and if Lilitroon had at least a 3 second or less appearence for Season 3. Maybe CHADDam being "NOT DEAD, BITCHES". Oh well.

These faces made me lol
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WE ARE IN HAZBIN HOTEL!
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A show made by a female masturbator and a male homosexual. End me.

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Ha! In some Gnostic circles, Lucifer is called Sophia (lul tranny).

The Hazbin Hotel interpretation of Hell is actually is contradictory. First it's portrayed as a brutal dog eat dog place where everyone kills, mutilates and abuse each other free of consequence (which makes the decision of reproducing there very questionable) then as a mystical version of your typical shithole liberal town's areas near campus grounds. Neither feel like a place of eternal suffering for the denizens beyond the usual liberal shithole town stuff. It feels like Vic's ego won't allow her to admit the main thing in her mind are gay twinks and the setting is just a cosmetic.

Don't forget on how SOMEHOW, in Helluva Boss, the humans on Earth keep dying every time. You can blame drug addicts and homicide rate to suspend your disbelief; but man, there's a lot of crazy shit going on. And I don't even mean the D.H.O.R.K.S. or C.H.E.R.U.B contacting governments in Northern America & Europe; someone should on government level should see "What the fuck is happening?? This warrants an investigation ASAP".
I would believe this cartoon more if it took itself like Panty & Stocking: not seriously. But it tries to have "my fujo romance", while "lol assassinations and shit!".
The pilot really had a PSG vibe better.

Why wasn't it done done before (or IF it was done before) also was nonsensically answered, I think, since I am not sure due to not watching the season 2 and any explaination done at this point being a "too little too late" kind of response.

They should have used a faux-like Biblical explanation. This has been done since forever, with demons doing "hits" similar like the sicarii (the assassins in Judaean). Hell, I even had an idea!
Blitz: "It's in that book by the nailed one in the clouds; I don't have time to fuckin' read it for you."
Client: "You mean Jes-"
Blitz: "And we ABSOLUTELY do not speak his fuckin' name! Ever!"

If there are consequences for doing it is something like "why stops imps freom just escape to human world and live there happy forever?", which is not as far fetched as a question as you think and can lead to make interesting ruling; for example: the cool solution would be having demons on a time limit when on the surface because they get sick, while the less interesting solution is just blaming divine rules or some other shit.

Even better, they had a "free reign" before Jesus' sacrifice, and now they are timed. HOWEVER, Blitzo could say something like this:
Blitz: "Well, nowadays, these apes whom you call 'humans' - fuck modern sensibilities aside, they love to sin. And sinning helps us get close. And we go to Earth and do our jobs. Yet places which have these cunts who go 'ooooh so jolly we love you nailed god' weakens us, and we got to get back here, like a time out. So pay decreases or increases with target."

>tfw the love of your life was killed by a bunch of remorseless demons and everyone you know is totally OK with this

Why did you think I came all this way created an OC to eventually revive Chaddam and help Lute?
Forgive me for being silly: "It will be real in my mind".

Pentecostal-now-sort-of-on-the-side-religious over here. Christianity has been instilled in my brain all my life. I can remember every gospel song my parents played in the house. Though, younger me was never into reading the bible unless my parents made it interesting to read. Sorry, I couldn't handle through the two hour scripture readings.

I didn't really see HH/HB under a Christian perspective at first. I only saw it through a general one during my earlier watches of them. As I deepened my gradual hatred with how both of these shows have become and seeing how much Vivziepop has beaten the brains of easily impressionable minors and manchildren on the basis of hell, demons and basic Christian mythology honestly upset even someone like me who doesn't actively practice the faith. It doesn't matter if the show is based on other faiths outside Christianity. Most people will see Hazbin Hotel as a show that's meant to be a take on Christianity. It could've been a unique one. An interesting one that subverts the usual "demons good, angels BAD!!" media that used to be considered cool and out there.

But no, it's just a quirky, badly written show made for rebellious "YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO MOM/DAD!!" teenagers who think swearing and being a satanist is cool and subversive and totally not overdone. It could've showed the many different perspectives on how people view redemption. We could've seen a variety of cultures and actual diversity this woman loves thinking she has in the darn show. I'm still upset that everyone acts like rabid millenials and not to their respective era. To Dante's pit with the "but they grew to the modern times" excuse the fandom likes to throw into the fence.

Spoiler: Positive, slightly offtopic message

Funny thing about all this: these people think that "subverting" Heaven and Hell is edgy and cool, yet this has been done for quite a while - Nicolaitans, Gnostics and such. And yet, Christianity has thrived for 2000 years. dare I say almost exactly 2000, with the death of Jesus Christ nearing it's mark at 2033 or 2032.
A mark of resilience, so honestly, I like to think it's a religion that can defend itself through apologetics, and ABSOLUTELY deserves to be put to the test - yet one must approach it willing to study. Otherwise you will get examples like the actor Stellan Skarsgård, who in 9/11 approached both Christianity and Islam in anger, read the Bible and Koran and declared them "fake".

You know, I do want to talk about this comic more:
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It's strange that no character has made these points to Charlie, but I understand why. It's because Viv herself can't come up with a good enough counterpoint for these arguments. Hence why we will have no one who challenges Charlie have a reasonable take on the matter.

Because the show would end past the third episode of the first season if someone pointed out the supreme obvious to her. She never clarifies on WHO she wants to redeem. She knows nothing about the sinners and the ones she does know, she's only getting the bare minimum. We have yet to even see a visualization of their actions that GOT THEM to hell in the first place. Her naivety is NOT an excuse.

It's forever beyond me that people had to wait six years for the BARE BASIC MINIMUM plot of the story to fruition, and even then it'll be poorly worked out.

I'm giving the first episode a watch right now through some random-literally-who react YouTuber that put some random filter on top of the episode to prevent a strike, I guess.

LoL that would be Hazbin Hotel: S1E1 (FINALE), or maybe a movie of two hours.

 

[didelphigina]

This is actual dialogue from the first episode. Not even two minutes in.

 

[Strangolapreti]

They should have used a faux-like Biblical explanation. This has been done since forever, with demons doing "hits" similar like the sicarii (the assassins in Judaean). Hell, I even had an idea!
Blitz: "It's in that book by the nailed one in the clouds; I don't have time to fuckin' read it for you."
Client: "You mean Jes-"
Blitz: "And we ABSOLUTELY do not speak his fuckin' name! Ever!"

Its a crude and unelegant solution, as heavy handed as you get, but I guess its still better than nothing.
If I was to write it: I'd change a lot of stuff from the very start, but tl;dr: I'd be using the many legends of people making deals with the devil as a base and expand on it to explain the assassination:
Blitzo could have recovered devil deal contracts that contain an oversight, which ensures that if a deceased sign one of them, they'd stay legal. This would give him permission to walk in the human world undisturbed, as long as he had a way to access it (to go back to the series canon faggowl's grimoire or the faggowl's hardened cum gemstone).

Even better, they had a "free reign" before Jesus' sacrifice, and now they are timed. HOWEVER, Blitzo could say something like this:
Blitz: "Well, nowadays, these apes whom you call 'humans' - fuck modern sensibilities aside, they love to sin. And sinning helps us get close. And we go to Earth and do our jobs. Yet places which have these cunts who go 'ooooh so jolly we love you nailed god' weakens us, and we got to get back here, like a time out. So pay decreases or increases with target."

Viziepop would never dare to mention the big man chris chan is currently larping as, honestly those demon could just say that they cannot survive long in the human world the same way a fish doesn't lives long outside the type water they naturally live in, with angels being the equivalent of freshwater fishes and demons saltwater fishes.

This is actual dialogue from the first episode. Not even two minutes in.

> Actually watches the show.
Amateur mistake.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

This thing is definitely going to end up being the 'secret weapon' that will somehow break Heaven's barriers.



Also I've been wondering what Pentious was saying here since the leaks, because his voice is drowned out by the music, Emily, Able, and Peter singing, plus the drill. Turns out he's simping.

 

[brownsuagrbubbletea]

Where are people seeing the new episodes??

 

[didelphigina]

Where are people seeing the new episodes??

It's on Prime but I'm watching it through a reaction channel. At least until someone pirates or records and upload the full episodes on YouTube or in a Google Drive.

 

[The Nothingness]

I checked out five minutes of the first episode during my lunch break. Best joke so far is Vox saying, "Eww," to Katie's advances.

And, unlike the other angels, why is it Vaggie's wings can disappear when she is not using them? Were they too lazy to keep drawing them for the season?

 

[A Very Big Fish]

Viziepop would never dare to mention the big man chris chan is currently larping as, honestly those demon could just say that they cannot survive long in the human world the same way a fish doesn't lives long outside the type water they naturally live in, with angels being the equivalent of freshwater fishes and demons saltwater fishes.

I will take back every criticism of the show if Viv unironically adds the sonichu demon.

 

[Strangolapreti]

I will take back every criticism of the show if Viv unironically adds the sonichu demon.

I will take back every criticism of the show if Viv posts a picture of herself wearing the accursed sonichu medallion.

 

[Castoreum]

Rando user yaiko292l22p on Tiktok has the eps. Not best quality, but tolerable if u don't wanna watch on Amazog.

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