Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Retink Retunk]

Vaggie twerking

Pardon? I don't think I'd have ever assumed this was a possibility and I don't even like the character.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

If Vivziepop really does adopt the "Sinner Adam" concept that's been the plot of a gazillion fanfics I'm gonna lol.

On one hand I'll enjoy seeing Adam come back for real, on the other hand it will put another nail in the coffin that death means absolutely nothing in this universe, and will also very likely assist in adding another female character who only serves to complement of her love interest. (Although given her goal is already vengeance for only Adam and she never brings up the dozens of other killed Exorcists, I feel that's already the case.)

Sinner Adam is an interesting concept, but we all know Viv would never write it to it's full potential. With the already bloated cast of characters, rising of stakes with each seasons, and the limited amount of episodes, it will not be satisfying for the viewer.

Speaking of exorcists and....literally nobody giving a shit about them, there is something darkly funny about angels not caring about there own kind and are only concern with people that are from a different plane of existence. It's kind of like how Charlie's only concern are the Sinners and not any of the Hellborn who have no control that they are in Hell. And I know that there's that whole "Hellborn are pardoned from Extermination day", but unless no Hellborn are in Pride ring on that day, I call bullshit. Because you can not convince me that an exorcist is not going to strike anything that is in it's path, whether Sinner or Hellborn.

 

[The tired cat]

I always liked the fan concept that exorcists were souls from the mortal realm, who were offered to join a fight against Hell in promises that after their job was done, they could bask in Heavens light. But, upon joining they would have memories of their previous life removed while their emotions would be supressed so they don't panic or have second thoughts during battle.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

During an interview with Lute's VA, she mentioned her character loving Adam "no matter where he is," which is enough for me to pretend she's confirming he's coming back beyond being a hallucination.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LX3xsikBPaM:63

Spoiler: Local Archive

My Project.mp4

What do you mean?

Sinner Adam is an interesting concept, but we all know Viv would never write it to it's full potential. With the already bloated cast of characters, rising of stakes with each seasons, and the limited amount of episodes, it will not be satisfying for the viewer.

She'll crap on the concept, making him be an annoying douchebag and/or attempting to usurp hell or something, attempting, or be a simp for Lilitroon. Instead of proving everyone wrong, shut down Shit-ffty and give a middle finger to every faggot on hell.
Pathetic.

Speaking of exorcists and....literally nobody giving a shit about them, there is something darkly funny about angels not caring about there own kind and are only concern with people that are from a different plane of existence. It's kind of like how Charlie's only concern are the Sinners and not any of the Hellborn who have no control that they are in Hell. And I know that there's that whole "Hellborn are pardoned from Extermination day", but unless no Hellborn are in Pride ring on that day, I call bullshit. Because you can not convince me that an exorcist is not going to strike anything that is in it's path, whether Sinner or Hellborn.

If there was an actual character that put things in order, he would send Pisser, Gaybell & the "Voice of NOT God" to oblivion, and put Heaven in order. But that would be a villain, and Heaven would be come too "cryptofascist"-like.

 

[AnOminous]

She'll crap on the concept, making him be an annoying douchebag and/or attempting to usurp hell or something, attempting, or be a simp for Lilitroon.

Adam and Eve were the literal original sinners.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

This is beyond the "Writer's Poorly Disguised Fetish" meme. This is someone straight-up putting borderline porn into their show and calling it a joke.
At least when something like Queen's Blade does it, it has the balls to go all the way (and I doubt the creators of that series give their kids access to their dev folder).

Spoiler: NSFW

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Sorry to double-post, but guess what? More leaks.
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TL;DR: Hope you're a Vox fan, because he seems to make up 90% of the plot this season.

So earlier I said that it would be confirmed for me if Vox's song was titled 'Once we get up there'.
Well looks like this is confirmed.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Adam and Eve were the literal original sinners.

We still don't have 100% confirmation if Adam ate the fruit in this story. All we know is Lucifer and Lilith gave Eve the apple...and that's it. The aftermath of all that is still very much a mystery and we can't use the Bible as an official guideline since the story of creation and fall of men differs.

I do wonder if we'll get to hear Heaven's side of things with this since they're probably biased just as Hell's version is, and I imagine the real story is probably a mix of both.

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

We still don't have 100% confirmation if Adam ate the fruit in this story. All we know is Lucifer and Lilith gave Eve the apple...and that's it. The aftermath of all that is still very much a mystery and we can't use the Bible as an official guideline since the story of creation and fall of men differs.

I do wonder if we'll get to hear Heaven's side of things with this since they're probably biased just as Hell's version is, and I imagine the real story is probably a mix of both.

We should also remember that the version of the story Charlie read was written by Lilith, so it clearly has her biases coloring it. Just look at how it paints her as being a slayqueen girlboss and how it contrasts with Lucifer's memory of events where she basically forced Charlie not to spend time with him.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

We should also remember that the version of the story Charlie read was written by Lilith, so it clearly has her biases coloring it. Just look at how it paints her as being a slayqueen girlboss and how it contrasts with Lucifer's memory of events where she basically forced Charlie not to spend time with him.

Which is probably Eve because the main difference is their hair style and "the Lilith" we see from Lucifer's and Charlie's memories has a more similar hair style to Eve.


We also see photographs of the Morningstar family being a happy family while Charlie is around that age with Lilith having the hair-style that is similar to the one she has back on Earth.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

I'm going to revisit one aspect of that leak I now believe, so Vox not only tries to overthrow Lucifer, but outright manages to somehow capture him (How he fuck he manages that when Lucifer curb stomped Adam to the point he was just toying with him for almost the entire 'fight' I have no clue), manages to somehow breach his way into Heaven using some kind of secret weapon (again how he pulls that out his ass I have no clue), Vox is subdued at the end, and for some reason Lucifer doesn't slowly tear him apart piece by piece for this. Not just Lucifer either, after managing to showcase he is a direct threat to Heaven by destroying their protective barriers and is capable of managing to take down Lucifer, a fallen Seraphim, Heaven should be demanding to Hell that his severed head be delivered to the pearly gates if they even want to think about not immediately restarting the exterminations and massively expanding upon them. Not to mention Alastor should kill Vox for humiliating him for half the season (Who manages to get out of his deal with Rosie/Lilith at the end so that excuse is out the window), and the other hotel characters should have some personal things to say about Vox hypnotizing Angel Dust to just add one last final thing to the pile.

What is Charlie going to beg everyone "No, don't kill Vox! That would be MEAN!" and it will somehow work for everybody and showcase she just how fucking retarded she is. Yes, she did the same thing with Adam, but at least there you could argue she was worried about Heaven's reaction to the first man and military leader being killed (which didn't turn out to be a problem anyway because absolutely nobody besides Lute gives a single shit), but Vox doesn't have that luxury and everyone should be demanding he be dismembered with a holy blade and his remains tossed into holy fire for good measure.

I don't think the phrase 'plot armor' can even describe this, we need a new one since this goes way beyond that.

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

I'm going to revisit one aspect of that leak I now believe, so Vox not only tries to overthrow Lucifer, but outright manages to somehow capture him (How he fuck he manages that when Lucifer curb stomped Adam to the point he was just toying with him for almost the entire 'fight' I have no clue), manages to somehow breach his way into Heaven using some kind of secret weapon (again how he pulls that out his ass I have no clue), Vox is subdued at the end, and for some reason Lucifer doesn't slowly tear him apart piece by piece for this. Not just Lucifer either, after managing to showcase he is a direct threat to Heaven by destroying their protective barriers and is capable of managing to take down Lucifer, a fallen Seraphim, Heaven should be demanding to Hell that his severed head be delivered to the pearly gates if they even want to think about not immediately restarting the exterminations and massively expanding upon them. Not to mention Alastor should kill Vox for humiliating him for half the season (Who manages to get out of his deal with Rosie/Lilith at the end so that excuse is out the window), and the other hotel characters should have some personal things to say about Vox hypnotizing Angel Dust to just add one last final thing to the pile.

What is Charlie going to beg everyone "No, don't kill Vox! That would be MEAN!" and it will somehow work for everybody and showcase she just how fucking retarded she is. Yes, she did the same thing with Adam, but at least there you could argue she was worried about Heaven's reaction to the first man and military leader being killed (which didn't turn out to be a problem anyway because absolutely nobody besides Lute gives a single shit), but Vox doesn't have that luxury and everyone should be demanding he be dismembered with a holy blade and his remains tossed into holy fire for good measure.

I don't think the phrase 'plot armor' can even describe this, we need a new one since this goes way beyond that.

I personally like to think that there's a chance Vox gets got by Punished Lute once she decides to go on her own rampage, just because it'd be funny/cool/mirror Alastor getting buckbroken by CHADam, and TV Man's purported appearances in S3 are just flashback scenes or something

EDIT: Alternatively... idk, if Vox somehow managed to capture Lucifraud and breach Heaven, then he probably lives by pulling out some kind of leverage or like buying himself immunity by throwing Velvette and Valentino under the bus

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

I'm going to revisit one aspect of that leak I now believe, so Vox not only tries to overthrow Lucifer, but outright manages to somehow capture him (How he fuck he manages that when Lucifer curb stomped Adam to the point he was just toying with him for almost the entire 'fight' I have no clue), manages to somehow breach his way into Heaven using some kind of secret weapon (again how he pulls that out his ass I have no clue), Vox is subdued at the end, and for some reason Lucifer doesn't slowly tear him apart piece by piece for this. Not just Lucifer either, after managing to showcase he is a direct threat to Heaven by destroying their protective barriers and is capable of managing to take down Lucifer, a fallen Seraphim, Heaven should be demanding to Hell that his severed head be delivered to the pearly gates if they even want to think about not immediately restarting the exterminations and massively expanding upon them. Not to mention Alastor should kill Vox for humiliating him for half the season (Who manages to get out of his deal with Rosie/Lilith at the end so that excuse is out the window), and the other hotel characters should have some personal things to say about Vox hypnotizing Angel Dust to just add one last final thing to the pile.

What is Charlie going to beg everyone "No, don't kill Vox! That would be MEAN!" and it will somehow work for everybody and showcase she just how fucking retarded she is. Yes, she did the same thing with Adam, but at least there you could argue she was worried about Heaven's reaction to the first man and military leader being killed (which didn't turn out to be a problem anyway because absolutely nobody besides Lute gives a single shit), but Vox doesn't have that luxury and everyone should be demanding he be dismembered with a holy blade and his remains tossed into holy fire for good measure.

I don't think the phrase 'plot armor' can even describe this, we need a new one since this goes way beyond that.

Yeah, that's nice and all, but did you consider that Vox is sexy?

 

[InJailOutSoon]

I'm going to revisit one aspect of that leak I now believe, so Vox not only tries to overthrow Lucifer, but outright manages to somehow capture him (How he fuck he manages that when Lucifer curb stomped Adam to the point he was just toying with him for almost the entire 'fight' I have no clue), manages to somehow breach his way into Heaven using some kind of secret weapon (again how he pulls that out his ass I have no clue), Vox is subdued at the end, and for some reason Lucifer doesn't slowly tear him apart piece by piece for this. Not just Lucifer either, after managing to showcase he is a direct threat to Heaven by destroying their protective barriers and is capable of managing to take down Lucifer, a fallen Seraphim, Heaven should be demanding to Hell that his severed head be delivered to the pearly gates if they even want to think about not immediately restarting the exterminations and massively expanding upon them. Not to mention Alastor should kill Vox for humiliating him for half the season (Who manages to get out of his deal with Rosie/Lilith at the end so that excuse is out the window), and the other hotel characters should have some personal things to say about Vox hypnotizing Angel Dust to just add one last final thing to the pile.

What is Charlie going to beg everyone "No, don't kill Vox! That would be MEAN!" and it will somehow work for everybody and showcase she just how fucking retarded she is. Yes, she did the same thing with Adam, but at least there you could argue she was worried about Heaven's reaction to the first man and military leader being killed (which didn't turn out to be a problem anyway because absolutely nobody besides Lute gives a single shit), but Vox doesn't have that luxury and everyone should be demanding he be dismembered with a holy blade and his remains tossed into holy fire for good measure.

I don't think the phrase 'plot armor' can even describe this, we need a new one since this goes way beyond that.

With the way these supposed leaks are going, it does feel like it will lead to Vox's demise; whether it be a permanent death or a loss of ranking and power. It would be very strange if he didn't receive any consequences for his actions this, or if the consequences were so miniscule they don't change anything.

There's also the question of the other Vees and overlords and how much they were willing to follow Vox's plans, and if they'll receive the consequences for doing so. Or maybe this is all just one big consequence for Lucifer for not ruling over Hell and just making rubber duckies for who knows how long.

 

[Unexpected Genitals]

I know I'm late here whoops, but for all of Hazbin's flaws, I'm still gonna say it.

Gravity is a fucking banger, and the animation in that sequence was fantastic.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

I personally like to think that there's a chance Vox gets got by Punished Lute once she decides to go on her own rampage, just because it'd be funny/cool/mirror Alastor getting buckbroken by CHADam, and TV Man's purported appearances in S3 are just flashback scenes or something

EDIT: Alternatively... idk, if Vox somehow managed to capture Lucifraud and breach Heaven, then he probably lives by pulling out some kind of leverage or like buying himself immunity by throwing Velvette and Valentino under the bus

Thing is the leaker uses the term 'subdued' when it comes with how Vox is dealt with, with no mention of Lute, then again the leaker is very vague, and not mentioning Lute at all is weird, same with only mentioning the other Vees when saying Valentino's sex life with Vox will be highlighted.

With the way these supposed leaks are going, it does feel like it will lead to Vox's demise; whether it be a permanent death or a loss of ranking and power. It would be very strange if he didn't receive any consequences for his actions this, or if the consequences were so miniscule they don't change anything.

I could see Viv going for Vox losing his power is a fate worse than death for him, would also mirror Alastor's own views and maybe foreshadow his fate as well. Worth noting too that Charlie's VA has said her character will make decisions most the audience won't like.

 

[The Fair Lady]

I know I'm late here whoops, but for all of Hazbin's flaws, I'm still gonna say it.

Gravity is a fucking banger, and the animation in that sequence was fantastic.

A recurring trend I’ve noticed is that Alex Brightman and Jessica Vosk have been part of the best songs.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

I could see Viv going for Vox losing his power is a fate worse than death for him, would also mirror Alastor's own views and maybe foreshadow his fate as well. Worth noting too that Charlie's VA has said her character will make decisions most the audience won't like.

I'm trying to think what decisions Charlie would make that would upset the audience. Maybe it might have to be with Alastor getting out of his deals with Vox and Rosie, and Charlie has something to do with that since she made a deal with Alastor back in season 1? Or she breaks up with Vaggie for whatever reason, though I doubt that would happen. Or Hell...maybe with Vox losing his powers Charlie would convince him to join the hotel for redemption.

 

[The Nothingness]

I'm going to revisit one aspect of that leak I now believe, so Vox not only tries to overthrow Lucifer, but outright manages to somehow capture him (How he fuck he manages that when Lucifer curb stomped Adam to the point he was just toying with him for almost the entire 'fight' I have no clue), manages to somehow breach his way into Heaven using some kind of secret weapon (again how he pulls that out his ass I have no clue), Vox is subdued at the end, and for some reason Lucifer doesn't slowly tear him apart piece by piece for this. Not just Lucifer either, after managing to showcase he is a direct threat to Heaven by destroying their protective barriers and is capable of managing to take down Lucifer, a fallen Seraphim, Heaven should be demanding to Hell that his severed head be delivered to the pearly gates if they even want to think about not immediately restarting the exterminations and massively expanding upon them.

Here is something else to consider since Vivzie has both shows in the same world. If Vox has a secret weapon that can break another realm's plain and defeat Lucifer with ease, why aren't the other Sins trying to stop him? Could he not use this weapon to break whatever is keeping Sinner demons only in the Pride Ring? Would Vox not only be a threat to not only the other Sins but also the Ars Goetia? This all feels more like something that would be saved for a final villain that brings all the major characters together.

What is Charlie going to beg everyone "No, don't kill Vox! That would be MEAN!" and it will somehow work for everybody and showcase she just how fucking retarded she is. Yes, she did the same thing with Adam, but at least there you could argue she was worried about Heaven's reaction to the first man and military leader being killed (which didn't turn out to be a problem anyway because absolutely nobody besides Lute gives a single shit), but Vox doesn't have that luxury and everyone should be demanding he be dismembered with a holy blade and his remains tossed into holy fire for good measure.

You might as well remake this Steven Universe meme with Charlie and Vox.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Here is something else to consider since Vivzie has both shows in the same world. If Vox has a secret weapon that can break another realm's plain and defeat Lucifer with ease, why aren't the other Sins trying to stop him? Could he not use this weapon to break whatever is keeping Sinner demons only in the Pride Ring? Would Vox not only be a threat to not only the other Sins but also the Ars Goetia? This all feels more like something that would be saved for a final villain that brings all the major characters together.

As interesting as it would be if the Deadly Sins sat out because they were all collectively hoping Vox would kill Lucifer, then they would kill Vox and attempt to proclaim themselves the new ruler of Hell, we know that's not the case because not even the Deadly Sins are allowed to be treacherous and evil. No the only real answer is the meta answer, which is that by the time the whole rights thing got sorted and both shows were allowed to crossover, S2 was already written, fully voice acted, and halfway through the animation process.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Same. Spawn was something i ve heard about when i was a teenager during my "superheroes comics phase". Also Tex Avery was something I discovered way later in life. There were no sexually charged cartoons that were easily available when was I was child aside some animes that might have had sexual connotations here and there, but sex was always a "joke" or a funny aspect (imagine Rio in Ciry Hunter). Violence as well, the best I could go for were Tiger Men or Hokuto no Ken.

Edited to add: maybe you could find some degenerate shit running on mtv back then late at night, but as a small child this is not something I was personally reaching out for.

Good to know that it's not just me being biased (because I was a very sheltered kid growing up) and that the furfag really is exaggerating to what degree children were exposed to questionable content back then in order to minimize certain peoples' obsession with exposing children to inappropriate content NOW.