Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Doctor of Autism]

She throws her sword within a couple inches of Peter's head and nobody even blinks earlier in the episode, some of this stuff would make sense in the chaotic world of Hell where it's mainly might makes right, but I guess Heaven goes by the same logic.

To be fair, Heaven is run by Sera whose unintentionally the biggest idiot in the cast for someone of her prestige

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

Speaking of big named casting, I remember Viv wanted Vox to be voiced by Mark Hamill, and given his age, it probably is for the best he got a recast since his new VA really sells the whole sleazy tv host personality.

But you can still kinda tell she really wrote Vox with Hamill in mind because if you read or listen to some of Vox's lines in Mark Hamill's Joker voice they mostly fit

Thank God he didn't get cast. The man's mind was more broken by Trump winning than Viv's was. He would have forced even more political bullshit into the character than what already exists.

 

[Gondolindrim]

To be fair, Heaven is run by Sera whose unintentionally the biggest idiot in the cast for someone of her prestige

Not enough for Heaven to be corrupt, it's also run by idiots.

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

Sera whose unintentionally

I didn't know she owned an unintentionally

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Stolas taking antidepressants is so incredibly lame I couldn't believe it at first. He went from "just a sad gay uwu bottom" to "so pathetic it borders on being absurd". Why yes, this 30-something year old ancient demon (from hell) takes antidepressants (again, from hell) as a way to deal with his mean wife and sad gay pining. It's almost as absurd as giving Jesus undiagnosed autism.

They just use it for sympathy points and nothing more, (especially since his despessive symptoms are coming from outside sources and internal). It's like Blitzø having a ptsd attack at the TV show studio.

was thinking about how Lute and Adam's reaction to Vaggie's betrayal doesn't makes sense at all. Shouldn't they be more angry about their top soldier switching side rather than just "lesbian carpet munching lololol"?

Spoiler: long autismo

It would have been more interesting -character development wise- if Vaggie was not one of the top girls but one of the weakest. It could have been a efficient ugly duckling story, where she was bullied by the other exorcists because of her mediocre results. Unlike the others she doesn't takes pleasure in the killing and her superiors think of her as a lost cause.
Her alienation would makes her question her place and role in all this situation: she's a stranger within her own home, why should she fight for them? She's refusing one day to carry out her given order, crossing the point of no return.
It would be the last straw for Lute who always considered Vaggie a burden and a disgrace to the exorcists. Her evisceration of Vaggie's eye & wings being the culmination of bullying her from years (as it sadly happens in real life, it often ends up becoming physical) and the ultimate rejection from Heaven.
Then you have the story with Charlie who takes her and treats her wounds, feeling for the first time what acceptance is. She at last have the space to be herself without other's expectation. But she fears to lose this new freedom thus why she doesn't tell her past to Charlie.
Her scene with Carmilla would have a stronger impact too, the classic fallen but returning stronger after training hard with the master trope. When she meets Lute and Adam again she's not the same person anymore but they don't know that ; for them she's the same loser and her siding with the demons is a logic leap since Vaggie is weak minded and was never like them anyway. They even continue to mock and bully her like they did before.
You'll have all the drama about her past that some kiwis already covered, then Vaggie have her satisfying revenge against the exorcists at the end of the season fight by kicking Lute's butt and solidifying her place among her friends & alongside her lover.
You could even have in next seasons a moment about Vaggie saying she already had her redemption or something similar on why she has wilfully chose to stay in Hell, making the concept of redemtion a thing transcending the boundaries of Hell and Heaven or some philosophical shit like that.

Dang I have too much time, I should find a new hobby

I'd argue that her being a great soldier would be the more interesting path to go to. If she was an outcast, then yeah, it would be a no-brainer for her to rebel and accept life in Hell. But her being looked with respect by her peers and boss, you have to wrap your head around more on why she would give that all up for what would look like a worse quality of life. As I mention before, people wanting to change because their life is shit, it's easy to understand why. But for someone who's life is already great, you have to dig in deeper for why thay kind of person would want to change.

Though I agree, the reaction from Adam could have been a bit different. Lute makes some sense; she obviously wants to be Adam's number 1 girl and when Vaggie was around she probably felt short to her. So her finding Vaggie breaking one rule was probably a joyous occasion for her. She now has legitimate reason to kick Vaggie out of Heaven and now there's no supposed competition for being Adam's top girl. For Adam, it should have been a bit more complicated; a mix of anger, disappointment, and confusion. I wouldn't know exactly where to take him, but I could see him trying to plan a deal with Vaggie to get her back; possibly being that if she goes against Charlie's plan, he'll allow her to come back to the exorcists. Granted, Adam is just a one-dimensional asshole so nothing like that could happen.

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

Thank God he didn't get cast. The man's mind was more broken by Trump winning than Viv's was. He would have forced even more political bullshit into the character than what already exists.

Viv most likely ditched Mark Hamill as an inspiration for Vox's voice as his audition sheet didn't list him as a reference unlike Weird Al being a reference on Lucifer's audition sheet. I get being from an older time period doesn't necessarily mean the character has to be an older age, but Vox having a voice like Mark is meant to represent him sounding old-timey to emphasize the parallels between him and Alastor as they're both from the early 1900's, though whereas Alastor prefers to stay in his era, Vox embraces modernization. Vox was the one who pissed Alastor to the point of the latter swearing heavily. His influence in Hell comes from consumerism with his various ad products, technology based or not.

But now that Vox is the one who fears Alastor and gets enraged by his presence, and power comes from manipulative propaganda, Viv probably decided that Hamill wouldn't been a good fit for Vox anymore. He would've made Vox more sinister for what he is, rather than what he's plotting to be.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Viv most likely ditched Mark Hamill as an inspiration for Vox's voice as his audition sheet didn't list him as a reference unlike Weird Al being a reference on Lucifer's audition sheet. I get being from an older time period doesn't necessarily mean the character has to be an older age, but Vox having a voice like Mark is meant to represent him sounding old-timey to emphasize the parallels between him and Alastor as they're both from the early 1900's, though whereas Alastor prefers to stay in his era, Vox embraces modernization. Vox was the one who pissed Alastor to the point of the latter swearing heavily. His influence in Hell comes from consumerism with his various ad products, technology based or not.

But now that Vox is the one who fears Alastor and gets enraged by his presence, and power comes from manipulative propaganda, Viv probably decided that Hamill wouldn't been a good fit for Vox anymore. He would've made Vox more sinister for what he is, rather than what he's plotting to be.

Or....she tried to get Mark Hamill and he simply refused. Or she wanted someone who had a more musical background.

Or she just wanted a different sounding voice. Remember, Justin Roland's Rick Sanchez was the voice she wanted for Husk originally.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

Exactly. The people they want us to sympathize with have done horrific things while alive and Charlie doesn’t care about it. She doesn’t even seem to understand basic morality and one thing I would ask her is do the victims of the people that she is trying to get into heaven’s traumas and feelings not matter?

It would be interesting if Charlie went to Earth for the first time and saw how people miss the opportunity to repent before eventually "giving up on sinning" on hell. She would change rather quickly. Same with Emily.

In Jesus' parable of the rich man and Lazarus, when the damned rich man asks to be sent back to warn his family, Abraham tells him, "If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead." I don't think that anyone is that confused by what is good and bad behavior, especially since HH's Heaven and Hell seem to have no regard for concepts like faith & orthodoxy, and only consider morality as the very minimalist beige, "just, be like a nice person, man". For those who can't manage such a low bar, I'm afraid that we must forever part ways, because morality, even this beige knock-off Christian morality, should not be this weak and watery.

From the Book of the Prophet Isaiah:

"All of us have become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
we all shrivel up like a leaf,
and like the wind our sins sweep us away."

Christianity, which this series is happy to bastardize, does not consider baseline humanity to be good. "So you also, when you have done everything commanded of you, should say, ‘We are unworthy servants; we have only done our duty.'" from the Gospel according to Luke, Jesus tells us, that doing good is the bare minimum, when we sin we're walking away from that, and even if we lived perfectly, that would simply be what was expected, not laudable. I get that the series isn't going to go this hard into concepts like that and grace, but wanting the denizens of hell to have a baseline of "not psychotic murder" doesn't seem too hard.

Perfectly established. People should read the Old Testament more often, because during Jesus Christ's ministry, there was no "New Testament". So there is no excuse to be "Oh I'm a new testament xtian!" (side rant).

I do like how the absolute worst thing they can say about Adam if you don't sympathize with the cannibals, rapists and murderers he killed is "he's a dick "

I'm sorry but if you get cucked by Satan with your first wife, your second wife curses you to die and gets you kicked out of paradise, and then one of your sons murders the other one, I think you just becoming a misogynistic dudebro that kills demons is one of the better outcomes.

"You had your chance to be a good person when you were alive and wasted it, eat shit." is a very reasonable position to have on Demons from Hell.

Adam got the short end of the stick. Death came to humanity, and he was the one who should have told Eve "NO!". He lacked pulse, but we don't know what he was doing - This is mean the real Adam, of course, but applies just as well here.
With Lilith, eh? I don't know what is the story concocted in the Kabbalah, but if she just said "lol fuck you ruddy man", he should have smashed her head against a rock for disobeying him and being the "first feminist", or at least asked God for instructions on how to handle her.
After Cain slays Abel, both Eve and Adam must have had a terrible loss - Abel being replaced by Seth. In Hellaverse, I wonder where the fuck is Cain and Seth?

Spoiler: side note designs

I really like this design for Seth. But would be nice to see him working beside his father as an exorcist:

Also side note: has anyone wondered how disconnected the "ye olde" characters are with the overall ambient? I don't mean 1500s AD, I mean Antiquity and even before. How would these people would "get in with the times" in manner of speech and such? It's not so much a complaint, but more of a question.

Also, Lute doesn't need to fear, for Yarad H. Weissmough will come and bring retribution she wishes. Adam 2.0

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

A big one I've seen from dykes (especially ones who love to cover their rooms in rainbow merch) is that his "Hot as fuck, though" line is misogynistic since it sexualizes lesbians, as if girl-on-girl porn hasn't been the most popular category since forever.

https://archive.ph/Rf5wv

Lesbian porn was found to be the top category for female users, though gay (male) was a close second, this category being down in seventh place for men despite it being traditionally marketed at them.

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

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Hypocrisy? In my SJW Tumblr fandom? Perish the thought.

 

[The tired cat]

Remember, Justin Roland's Rick Sanchez was the voice she wanted for Husk originally

Oddly, would fit Husks character way more than Keiths smooth talking voice.

Thank God he didn't get cast. The man's mind was more broken by Trump winning than Viv's was. He would have forced even more political bullshit into the character than what already exists

Also, I highly doubt Mark would have been cheap to hire.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Remember, Justin Roland's Rick Sanchez was the voice she wanted for Husk originally.

I'M GETTING FUCKED IN THE ASS BY A SPIDER TWINK MORTY

 

[Strangolapreti]

Speaking of big named casting, I remember Viv wanted Vox to be voiced by Mark Hamill, and given his age, it probably is for the best he got a recast since his new VA really sells the whole sleazy tv host personality.

They probably didn't had the budget.
Kinda tragic, since all viziepop needed to do to get him would'be been to say "we're planning to make your character kill a donald trump stand-in down the line".

Remember, Justin Roland's Rick Sanchez was the voice she wanted for Husk originally.

Am I the only one to feel second-hand embrarassment whenever someone mentions that show unironically?

I wasn't expect to see people be this spergy over a show written by a retard.

 

[The tired cat]

They probably didn't had the budget.
Kinda tragic, since all viziepop needed to do to get him would'be been to say "we're planning to make your character kill a donald trump stand-in down the line".

Knowing Mark, hed still demand a 100k per line or whatever. Cause Dagon knows he charged through the nose during cons.

 

[Jhonson the Two]

I'd argue that her being a great soldier would be the more interesting path to go to. If she was an outcast, then yeah, it would be a no-brainer for her to rebel and accept life in Hell. But her being looked with respect by her peers and boss, you have to wrap your head around more on why she would give that all up for what would look like a worse quality of life. As I mention before, people wanting to change because their life is shit, it's easy to understand why. But for someone who's life is already great, you have to dig in deeper for why thay kind of person would want to change.

I can see your point, it also work great with Charlie's wacko view on good VS bad, making her question her motivation about the Hotel's goal where redemption is only used to get a ticket for Heaven to decongest Hell and not for doing what is right.
We can even echoes to Alastor's own path where he did the opposite, by buying his power through damnation. It would be a good season finale with Alastor refusing to change his way, leading him to his own downfal.
( Radio Deer Man should have been the main antagonist of HH, not Adam or Vox)

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Speaking of original headcanon voices, I realized that Faith Prince was the voice inspiration for Mimzy, and funnily enough she is still active to this day. I also realized that she's a Presbyterian so, it's probably similar to the whole Weird Al situation.

 

[The tired cat]

We can even echoes to Alastor's own path where he did the opposite, by buying his power through damnation. It would be a good season finale with Alastor refusing to change his way, leading him to his own downfal.
( Radio Deer Man should have been the main antagonist of HH, not Adam or Vox)

Ironically, seen that done in that Journey to the Light wikia, where Alastor was made to be one of the villains.

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

Oddly, would fit Husks character way more than Keiths smooth talking voice.

Apparently, Viv got mad that several people who auditioned for Husk in the pilot were just doing poor Rick impressions, so while Justin was what she envisioned Husk sounding like, she didn't want his voice to literally just be Rick. Still questionable on her going from that to Facilier The President Spawn.

Also, I highly doubt Mark would have been cheap to hire.

They probably didn't had the budget.
Kinda tragic, since all viziepop needed to do to get him would'be been to say "we're planning to make your character kill a donald trump stand-in down the line".

Would budget be a concern? Despite being one of the most profound celebrities of all time, outside of Star Wars, majority of Hamill's work comes from voice acting, regardless of the production quality. He shouldn't be that difficult to get in contact with given his history. It's more than likely he was asked and wasn't interested, or Viv just wanted to take Hazbin in a different direction. Hamill does have theater experience, but that was so long ago for it to really matter, nor does he sing professionally. He did sing as Joker in The Killing Joke, though, so he does have some singing capabilities.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Apparently, Viv got mad that several people who auditioned for Husk in the pilot were just doing poor Rick impressions, so while Justin was what she envisioned Husk sounding like, she didn't want his voice to literally just be Rick. Still questionable on her going from that to Facilier The President Spawn.

While I think Keith David is super out of place on the cast, I still like hearing him so I just go with it.

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

While I think Keith David is super out of place on the cast, I still like hearing him so I just go with it.

Same thing with him showing up as the new black neighbor in the King of the Hill reboot.
He doesn't really need to be there, but I like hearing him.