Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[A Very Big Fish]

cant have her demon oc do something actually offensive.

Every time another show like this gets made, I just think of this meme.



Hell should not be more tame than a Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 lobby circa 2009.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

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Him being a legitimate, unironic selfhating uncle tom fucking over his fellow minorties (who are less mixed & white passing than him) just to increase his own power and status with the whites, combined with him being a pathetic loser taking the easy route to power with a silly death, honestly could be something compelling.

But we know vivzie is too afraid to make her beloved protagonists actually (intentionally) problematic. Cant risk him doing anything the audience wouldnt wholeheartedly support!

Whats the point of having all these diverse characters if youre never gonna explore how being diverse in the 30s or whatever affected them? Whats the point in having a show set in hell if the main characters never do anything actually narratively considered bad/shameful outside of cartoonish mass murder?

She could even have husk be a proud black man (since hes not mixed and from a later era, therefore less likely to be self-racist) to avoid accusations of the show itself being racist. But nope, cant have her demon oc do something actually offensive.

She doesn't like to delve into actual real world issues and politics in her shows...unless she can somehow reference Vox being Trump in her Bluesky posts. Speaking of,

I'm all ready fo Vox Supremacy.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Husk is actually another can of worms, as they said he supposed to be Russian (which, okay during the USSR days, African countries and USSR were friends, with many students going there to get an education and some still visiting after the Soviet Union ended), but they couldn't have Keith David try and do a faint Russian accent? The guy sounds like he spent his entire life in Brooklyn.

With how much focus they put on him being a gambler, I expect his backstory to now be Las Vegas focused instead.

She doesn't like to delve into actual real world issues and politics in her shows...unless she can somehow reference Vox being Trump in her Bluesky posts. Speaking of,
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fg2JZQIj7BgI'm all ready fo Vox Supremacy.

Interesting that we seem to be getting another Pentious flashback given we see him as a Sinner, unless he goes back Hell and reverts to his previous look.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

The flashback of how Millie and Blitzo met made it seem like she was inspired by Blitzo's speech of rising above their imp status. Maybe she should have been the one with the advocate personality because Blitzo doesn't seem to care about being "champion of the little guy" (despite how the showrunners present him).

So to rise above other imps, her idea is to work for an assassin?

Hmm....
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PS: Real funny seeing people say "Alastor's half black, ackshu-" - nigga, why does Uncle Ruckus exist as a character? Where do slaves initially came from, and whom sold them first? Lul

I'm surprised we don't have a lot of racists in Hell. No Klansmen, no Nazis, not even skinheads.

And no, hating imps doesn't count.

But we know vivzie is too afraid to make her beloved protagonists actually (intentionally) problematic. Cant risk him doing anything the audience wouldnt wholeheartedly support!

It's not like they're in HELL.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

She doesn't like to delve into actual real world issues and politics in her shows...unless she can somehow reference Vox being Trump in her Bluesky posts. Speaking of,
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fg2JZQIj7BgI'm all ready fo Vox Supremacy.

This shot of Vox goes really hard

 

[The tired cat]

She doesn't like to delve into actual real world issues and politics in her shows...unless she can somehow reference Vox being Trump in her Bluesky posts. Speaking of,
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fg2JZQIj7BgI'm all ready fo Vox Supremacy.

Why do I have this weird feeling that Viv looked at that fanwikia of "Journey to the Light", cause I swear the stuff with Hell rising and being under new control felt like something from that wikia.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

This shot of Vox goes really hard

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Damn, Alastor can't even escape getting buck broken in a damn trailer.

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

With how much focus they put on him being a gambler, I expect his backstory to now be Las Vegas focused instead.

Interesting that we seem to be getting another Pentious flashback given we see him as a Sinner, unless he goes back Hell and reverts to his previous look.

I really, really hope it's the former, or if he does go back to Hell it's a case like with the Exorcists where he can go back and forth while still technically being redeemed. It'd be so lame if he just became a Sinner again permanently.
Though from what we saw in the leaks, he hates being in Heaven, so it'll probably be a "Hell is other people" thing where him falling again would be portrayed as a positive.
I'm still holding out hope for a redeemed Cherri Bomb.

 

[King Metalia]

She doesn't like to delve into actual real world issues and politics in her shows...unless she can somehow reference Vox being Trump in her Bluesky posts. Speaking of,
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fg2JZQIj7BgI'm all ready fo Vox Supremacy.

Vox is about to make Hell great again!

Damn, Alastor can't even escape getting buck broken in a damn trailer.

Alastor is a punk bitch while Vox is what peak male performance looks like. It was inevitably he'd assert his dominance over Alastor eventually.

 

[AnOminous]

To be honest, I thought that was just common for Wrath ring, since we saw Striker also being good at this stuff.

Striker was outright best since he won. It's annoying how they beclowned him. Apparently without Norman Reedus to play him she didn't care about the character any more.

Alastor is a punk bitch while Vox is what peak male performance looks like. It was inevitably he'd assert his dominance over Alastor eventually.

Video killed the radio star.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

This shot of Vox goes really hard

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This is extremely similar to the other shot they did. It looks almost the same cinematic wise in oops and IMO it hits harder the Hazbin its too clean.

Color palette is better in Helluva, much more going on, less red, and actually is HAUNTING.

 

[make_it_so]

I'm surprised we don't have a lot of racists in Hell. No Klansmen, no Nazis, not even skinheads.

Didn't Viv say something like how really horrible people instantly wink out of existence when reaching Hell? So no genociders, no pedos, and apparently no racists (but cannibals and serial killers are a-okay).

 

[Re(Runner)48]

Didn't Viv say something like how really horrible people instantly wink out of existence when reaching Hell? So no genociders, no pedos, and apparently no racists (but cannibals and serial killers are a-okay).

Again the age old question. What did Viv mean by this?

 

[The Lawgiver]

Didn't Viv say something like how really horrible people instantly wink out of existence when reaching Hell? So no genociders, no pedos, and apparently no racists (but cannibals and serial killers are a-okay).

Again the age old question. What did Viv mean by this?

There's also the "if hells a prison for the worst people imaginable post mortem whyare there also prisons in hell? like with normal criminals?"

Shit reminds me of the idiocracy costco segment where there's an entire civilization and stores inside of the store for some reason.

So to rise above other imps, her idea is to work for an assassin?

Changing the character based comedy show about a dysfunctionally bad at their job demon hitman crew to class based melodrama was a fucking mistake and it shows. I've seen this called out constantly and the fact that there's other imp business owners that don't get the same flak as the main crew for being imps running a business. Literally all my knowledge at this point comes from people who still fuckign watch the thing in the hope it gets better but it's later fairly oddparents retcon speedrunning itself to pump out shitty melodrama.

 

[Re(Runner)48]

There's also the "if hells a prison for the worst people imaginable post mortem whyare there also prisons in hell? like with normal criminals?"

It would be comedic if prisons were only for good demons (Imps who can't be redeemed.)

 

[make_it_so]

Again the age old question. What did Viv mean by this?

Just another case of her being safe-edgy.

If she was serious about the whole redemption thing she'd actually have a Hotel guest be a extremely bigoted or prejudiced war criminal or skinhead or something of the like and explore that character. But ultimately she's not really serious about giving any real thought to redemption and what it entails, she just wants her gay musical with a Tumblr hell coat of paint on it.

 

[The Lawgiver]

But ultimately she's not really serious about giving any real thought to redemption and what it entails, she just wants her gay musical with a Tumblr hell coat of paint on it.

THEN SHE SHOULD HAVE JUST KEPT IT LIKE THE PREMISE WHERE IT'S JSUT FUCKING SMILING FRIENDS BUT IN HELL AND THEY GO TO HEAVEN IF THEY REPENT OR WHATEVER.

That'd require the newgrounds guys to stay around and no big amazon deal though, I guess.

Oh god wait there's a season three of that already? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR-

 

[make_it_so]

THEN SHE SHOULD HAVE JUST KEPT IT LIKE THE PREMISE WHERE IT'S JSUT FUCKING SMILING FRIENDS BUT IN HELL AND THEY GO TO HEAVEN IF THEY REPENT OR WHATEVER.

That'd require the newgrounds guys to stay around and no big amazon deal though, I guess.

No guarantee that would've changed anything. HB went from comedic show about Imp hitmen to a gay sex drama about Blitz and Stolas while still keeping the OG cast and not receiving a cent from Jeff Bezos until recently.

 

[The Lawgiver]

No guarantee that would've changed anything. HB went from comedic show about Imp hitmen to a gay sex drama about Blitz and Stolas while still keeping the OG cast and not receiving a cent from Jeff Bezos until recently.

But from what I remember that shit started after the deal was confirmed first though, wasn't it? The writing, I mean.

 

[Argos]

I never saw Viv say pedos, Hitler and the like just vaporized upon hitting Hell. She did say she didn't want to write them, which is fair enough.

You could argue dictators were among the first targets for the Extermination, with the "lesser fry" being targets after.

Husk was supposed to be a stage magician and rather ugly.

Vivzie's biggest issue is that she treats her work like a fan-made shared world, rather than her own creation, and tosses out the rules she established when her friends/team/fans come up with an idea she likes. The second biggest issue is she can't tell herself "no" when this happens.

For example, when the HP series was still unfinished, fans really wanted Neville and Luna to be a couple. JKR almost did this-- then realized she was being influenced by the fans' concepts of these characters and had Neville marry someone else.