Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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Gondolindrim said:
I like to stay abreast of the one sided Hellaverse-Panty and Stocking rivalry. I doubt Trigger even realize the schism they've caused by being a good show in these trying times.
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/co/ had this pretty gnarly thread on the matter, tensions are high.
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Theres an actual rivalry here? i thought it was just a bunch of hellaverse fans on twitter seething.
 
InJailOutSoon said:
Meanwhile, Hazbin Hotel has a very high budget, estimating around 13 million dollars for just season 1.
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>a mentally immature fujoshi gets $13 million to make her thinly-veiled fetish material an actual show
>David Lynch and a respected screenwriter couldn't get their animated movie made because "nobody wants to see old fashioned fairytales anymore"
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InJailOutSoon said:
I found the original fanart that "inspired" Viv to make Stolas and Blitzø meet when they were kids. Here's some context too.View attachment 7852911View attachment 7852912
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At this point I think fair to say the number of ideas she's taken from her crew and fanbase vastly outweigh her own. While writing of a show is almost always a collaborative effort (even if it sometimes just boils down actor improv), most of that is still kept within a writers' room.
 
The constant use of gay sex in Viv's work really doesn't help the stereotype that people who aren't straight make their sexuality their whole personality.
InJailOutSoon said:
I found the original fanart that "inspired" Viv to make Stolas and Blitzø meet when they were kids. Here's some context too.View attachment 7852911View attachment 7852912
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This really pisses me off actually because Viv herself said she would not be putting fan made content in her shows. What's next is she going to start including random Fan's OCs?
 
LucasSomething said:
They actually want the vivzie crowd to merge with the homestuck fans. This is the asking for the ultimate autism singularity. It's not big nowadays but i personally believe the worst modern internet/con fandoms on the internet track back to homestuck or "absorb it's spirit" like undertale did. Vivzie fandom is not there yet has potential fandom (and even hatedom) of modern day.

This is a literal "Worst fandom of history vs Worst fandom of today" bout.

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King Metalia said:
What's next is she going to start including random Fan's OCs?
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She already allows Raph the child toucher to insert herself as Angel Dust so don't jinx it.

Also thanks to those who express interest in the story we're working hard on it. I can explain some things if people are interested. For instance regarding the Exorcists.

How exorcists are formed are basically a mixture of HeavenBorn or Saints/Winners. They can either offer themselves as such (Knowing the full extent of what they signed up to be) or born into the role (Which actually brings me to another personal loredump of mine.)
 
InJailOutSoon said:
TLDR: Panty and Stocking is an immature show that the audience already knows is immature, while Hazbin Hotel is supposedly a mature show only on surface but is actually immature underneath.
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chakzik said:
The difference is that helluva tries to have some bullshit "meaningful" storyline then turns around and makes a dick joke. That's going to give an audience whiplash, especially in helluva's case when it's not done well. PASWG, while still not the best, at least knows it's not serious. Helluva is a PASWG type show masquerading as something complex and serious.
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The two shows have a lot in common. P&S had it's musical numbers and goofy sideplots, but it still followed an end goal for the story to arrive at. It does the inverse of HB by STARTING with the dick joke and then wrapping around to the message. One example is an episode starting with a shit monster attacking a city, only to lead into Stocking and the monster courting and forming a relationship. Of course it ends in the iconic tokusatsu style clay monster explosion at the end, but it's a wholesome episode overall. Both shows have filler/bullshit episodes, but HB's story scale (or what it has grown into) can't afford to just spin tires and not advance the plot. In P&S, as long as they fought something and got a soul out of it, it was advancing the goal of the plot. I feel like criticism of HB wouldn't be as harsh if it was still a show about a motley crew running a hitman service out of Hell instead of a gay melodrama about an abusive relationship between a clown and a rich gay poof who neglects his wife and kid. Hazbin Hotel is supposed to be the show with the musicals and the gay melodrama, Viv. We don't need identical copies of the same extremely red shit.

Less gay, more of this:

 
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Croaking Spider said:
The two shows have a lot in common. P&S had it's musical numbers and goofy sideplots, but it still followed an end goal for the story to arrive at. It does the inverse of HB by STARTING with the dick joke and then wrapping around to the message. One example is an episode starting with a shit monster attacking a city, only to lead into Stocking and the monster courting and forming a relationship. Of course it ends in the iconic tokusatsu style clay monster explosion at the end, but it's a wholesome episode overall. Both shows have filler/bullshit episodes, but HB's story scale (or what it has grown into) can't afford to just spin tires and not advance the plot. In P&S, as long as they fought something and got a soul out of it, it was advancing the goal of the plot. I feel like criticism of HB wouldn't be as harsh if it was still a show about a motley crew running a hitman service out of Hell instead of a gay melodrama about an abusive relationship between a clown and a rich gay poof who neglects his wife and kid. Hazbin Hotel is supposed to be the show with the musicals and the gay melodrama, Viv. We don't need identical copies of the same extremely red shit.

Less gay, more of this:

Helluva Boss I.M.P vs DHORKS Full Fight 1080p_1.mp4
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Rewatching this with an animators lens this is horrendous. The room keeps changing, alot of the villians are spawning in nowhere, and the choreography is nauseating what even is this room?
 
Re(Runner)48 said:
Rewatching this with an animators lens this is horrendous. The room keeps changing, alot of the villians are spawning in nowhere, and the choreography is nauseating what even is this room?
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Oh yes, thank you. I keep hearing praised about this scene and how great it looks, and I'm over here to myself thinking "um, it's actually not". I was trying to find some storyboards for this fighting scene (because usually that is a explanation on why the animation of soemthing can be bad), and I found out that this scene wasn't actually animated by any of Spindlehorse employees. Viv outsourced to an animation studio in Canada called Chaos Emporium, Inc. It's on their website right here if you want to see.
https://www.chaosemporiuminc.com/helluvaboss

So the storyboards (that I still can't find) must have been done by Spindlehorse storyboard artists and then sent over to this studio to animate. I was going to use the fact that this is probably a lot of Spindlehorse's animators first time animating a complex fighting scene like this, but I can't use that excuse because it wasn't done by them.

I guess I'm just surprised because I didn't realize Viv outsourced that soon in Helluva Boss. I knew about it for season 2, but just never for season 1. Probably because I haven't watched the episode Truth Seekers. Speaking of, very overrated episode in my opinion. I think people just remember it for the fight scene, the two musical drug trips, and Stolas showing up. Because the writing....is not the greatest. And apparently, as Viv said, this episode was the one that Brandon Rogers let her soon the reigns on. And it very much shows.
 
Demons literally massacring humans while on Earth, typically a sign of the impending apocalypse

Heaven: I shleep

Demons slightly overpopulating Hell, where they're supposed to be

Heaven: REAL SHIT ??
 
gaysexenjoyer said:
Demons literally massacring humans while on Earth, typically a sign of the impending apocalypse

Heaven: I shleep

Demons slightly overpopulating Hell, where they're supposed to be

Heaven: REAL SHIT ??
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It's funny how I originally thought the reason why Heaven did a yearly extermination in Hell was to prevent Sinners from finding a way to get to Earth and wreck havoc. But no. Turns out they're just trying to protect Heaven...which doesn't make a lot of sense when you think about it.

Also who built the Heaven Embassy building in Hell? Like, was it there because of the exterminations or did it exist beforehand? And why?
 
gaysexenjoyer said:
Demons literally massacring humans while on Earth, typically a sign of the impending apocalypse

Heaven: I shleep

Demons slightly overpopulating Hell, where they're supposed to be

Heaven: REAL SHIT ??
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It's not even overpopulation that's the issue, its that the leader of the seraphim believes there is an uprising plotted in Hell despite being on good enough terms to have Lucifer on Speed Dial.

And the shit IMP does is none of their concern despite the fact even without the magic crystal ball, Heaven should be aware of it because of the DHORKs, Barbie's drug trade, or the Cherubs
 
InJailOutSoon said:
It's funny how I originally thought the reason why Heaven did a yearly extermination in Hell was to prevent Sinners from finding a way to get to Earth and wreck havoc. But no. Turns out they're just trying to protect Heaven...which doesn't make a lot of sense when you think about it.

Also who built the Heaven Embassy building in Hell? Like, was it there because of the exterminations or did it exist beforehand? And why?
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Making Heaven care about itself more than anything is so strange to me.

Heaven's absolute top priority should be Humanity and Earth. Period. Humans are what should matter most to them, they are what the forces of Heaven are charged with protecting. FFS Adam was made (essentially) a general of the Heavenly Militia, given his own personal division of soldiers under his direct command, simply by nature of being the first man.

Hell not giving a shit about humans and seeing them as gristle is fine, but Heaven should never allow demons to actually step foot on Earth for even a second, let alone outright kill people. Earth is the battleground between the forces of good and evil and the nexus of the conflict between Heaven and Hell.

Possession and influencing people is part and parcel of Hells influence on Earth and it's ultimately up to Humans to combat that themselves with Heavens assistance, but demons outright manifesting physically and murdering human beings is completely unacceptable. Heaven would march it's army to Earth the second shit like that started happening.
 
Croaking Spider said:
Less gay, more of this:
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It's a cool scene but watching it with the foreknowledge that they ultimately needed Stolas to bail them out takes some of the shine out of it for me. Not even so much that it's Stolas, just that it kind of feels like all the fighting was for nothing when it ended with them at the agents' mercy.
 
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