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Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?

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Friendly Primarina said:
Dr. Prima has detected dangerously low levels of Stolas suffering in recent pages:
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I'm going to say this once and you can give me all the hats you want for it but...I don't think Stolas is a good representation of someone dealing with depression.

I'm also not a big fan of them using his lack of "Happy Pills" as an excuse for any of his negative actions from the episode Apology Tour to Sinsmas.
AnOminous said:
Actually not even the crime of betraying Christ himself is unforgivable. The ultimate cardinal sin of Judas was not even betraying Jesus. It was committing suicide in despair, believing that he had committed a crime so vile that not even God could forgive it.

There is no sin that God cannot forgive, and believing you have committed such a sin is an insult to God. It is a form of arrogance where you believe your own ability to sin is beyond the ability of God to forgive.

Charlie is actually right on that issue, but perhaps not on the issue of whether she's the person to do it.
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There's also the fact that God sees all sin as equal. So someone murdering another out of cold blood is the same as someone being envious of another's wealth.

Anyway, one thing that I think the show is confused on is the idea of redemption. They think the process that people have to do is redemption itself, when that's actually the result that is to be achieved. They would have to repent first; meaning acknowledging whatever they have done was wrong, distance yourself from said wrongness, and moving towards a better path for moral improvement. That is when you would be considered redeemed. And I have doubt that the show will actually do something like that. Because just accepting the flaws you have as being you and never trying to change them is the way to go these days.
 
InJailOutSoon said:
I'm going to say this once and you can give me all the hats you want for it but...I don't think Stolas is a good representation of someone dealing with depression.

I'm also not a big fan of them using his lack of "Happy Pills" as an excuse for any of his negative actions from the episode Apology Tour to Sinsmas.

There's also the fact that God sees all sin as equal. So someone murdering another out of cold blood is the same as someone being envious of another's wealth.

Anyway, one thing that I think the show is confused on is the idea of redemption. They think the process that people have to do is redemption itself, when that's actually the result that is to be achieved. They would have to repent first; meaning acknowledging whatever they have done was wrong, distance yourself from said wrongness, and moving towards a better path for moral improvement. That is when you would be considered redeemed. And I have doubt that the show will actually do something like that. Because just accepting the flaws you have as being you and never trying to change them is the way to go these days.
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In the last episode of HH we see a demon going to the heaven after be redemed. But it feels forced, just to say "Charlie was right! Angels are wrong!" but we don't see any progress, just few scenes in the 8 episodes.
 
GreaterHacaryguaspear said:
In the last episode of HH we see a demon going to the heaven after be redemed. But it feels forced, just to say "Charlie was right! Angels are wrong!" but we don't see any progress, just few scenes in the 8 episodes.
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That's pretty much it. The fact that Sir Pentious remains pretty much static throughout season 1 is an issue. Episode 2 is his introduction and his only sense of "growth". After that, he really only exists for comic relief until the last episode when he sacrifices himself. And again, his death is played as a joke anyway.
 
Helluva Boss WPlace crossover.

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The tired cat said:
In the leak, they tried to play it off how only reason he was redeemed because he did self sacrifice, something he didn't do when he was mortal in Jolly Ol'England!
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what a stupid excuse to try make sense Charlie's motivations.

Isn't more easy make damage control?
Make shorts how the sinner is trying to make his redemption and his "death" during the final battle was because he cleaned his sins and now he can reach the heaven.

Damn, Viziepop and her writters are lazy as fuck.
 
The tired cat said:
In the leak, they tried to play it off how only reason he was redeemed because he did self sacrifice, something he didn't do when he was mortal in Jolly Ol'England!
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GreaterHacaryguaspear said:
what a stupid excuse to try make sense Charlie's motivations.

Isn't more easy make damage control?
Make shorts how the sinner is trying to make his redemption and his "death" during the final battle was because he cleaned his sins and now he can reach the heaven.

Damn, Viziepop and her writters are lazy as fuck.
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Like... what would have happened if Sir Pentious actually managed to strike Adam first and survived? Yeah, he kiss Cherri Bomb good bye, but it seemed like his intention was to kill Adam. His sin was essentially him not doing anything about something he knew he could help with, so in a way, he did the opposite in the finale. He realized that killing Adam would cease the fight, and took immediate action. But would he still have gone to Heaven even if he won over Adam?
 
He went to heaven because CHADam cleansed him of his sins, allowing his now redeemed soul to ascend.

This was always the case and everyone "killed" during the extermination was actually purified in holy fire and reborn in heaven, but with no memory of being gay and cringe (and also looking different enough from their demonic selves) so that they could be truly free of their past sins. Thus, no one on either side knew that this was even happening.

The only reason they noticed with Pentious is because he was the first demon that got BTFO'd during an extermination that anyone gave enough of a fuck about to remember lewl.

All is as God wills it, trvst the plan.
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One thing I think that helluva boss is missing is competent re accruing foes. Like after the cherub guys why not a group of guardian angels that get in the way sometimes of imp and are actually dangerous opponents for them. And for fun imp learns that they are kind of similar in some regards.
 
sixuglymidgets said:
One thing I think that helluva boss is missing is competent re accruing foes. Like after the cherub guys why not a group of guardian angels that get in the way sometimes of imp and are actually dangerous opponents for them. And for fun imp learns that they are kind of similar in some regards.
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Didn't they already try that with Stryker? I was bored of him after his first appearance in season 1 anyways. Bringing back CHERUB approached that concept, but I feel some character development was left on the table in the process. Maybe Vivzie will do something interesting with them in season 3, but you'd be more likely to find chocolate raisins in a rabbit hutch at this point.
 
sixuglymidgets said:
One thing I think that helluva boss is missing is competent re accruing foes. Like after the cherub guys why not a group of guardian angels that get in the way sometimes of imp and are actually dangerous opponents for them. And for fun imp learns that they are kind of similar in some regards.
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We got that in season 1. It's just that they all became incompetent in season 2.
 
gaysexenjoyer said:
I wanna see the Archangels that tossed Satans manlet ass out.

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I still find the idea that the only people who knew about the exterminations in Heaven were Sera and the exorcists is stupid. Like where are the other high-ranking angels? You think this would have been discussed among them. Did they fuck off after they read the script?
 
InJailOutSoon said:
I still find the idea that the only people who knew about the exterminations in Heaven were Sera and the exorcists is stupid. Like where are the other high-ranking angels? You think this would have been discussed among them. Did they fuck off after they read the script?
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They're busy doing their jobs instead of hanging around singing gay songs.

Now that Adam was brutally murdered on live television I imagine they'll be a bit more alert to the issue.
 
gaysexenjoyer said:
I wanna see the Archangels that tossed Satans manlet ass out.

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I wonder why there are only six. Usually if you go outside of the three explicitly mentioned in the Bible (Gabriel, Michael, and Raphael) you have seven. Firstly because seven is one of those symbolic numbers in the Bible, representing completeness and a type of spiritual perfection.

And secondly, in the deuterocannonical book of Tobit, the archangel Raphael explicitly says, "I am Raphael, one of the seven holy angels, who present the prayers of the saints, and who go in and out before the glory of the Holy One." (Tobit 12:15). The other names (at least in Catholicism) are considered speculative, and aren't considered to be canon (I believe). Uriel comes from the Book of Enoch, but pretty much no one considers that canon except for the Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church. Apparently some Coptic Orthodox say there are 8, though I don't really know how they get that.

I guess is it supposed to be Lucifer, right before he's kicked out of their number? Otherwise I have no earthly idea why you'd only have six of them.
 
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