Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

while Stolas is never called out for any of his shitty actions yet the show wants to treat him as this pure misunderstood guy. When anyone has a problem with him, it's always their fault whether it be Blitzo or Octavia despite the fact that Stolas is the one in the wrong.

When you put it that way, Stolas really is just Helluva's version of Angel Dust. Plus, they both get free passes with everything because 'Stella/Valentino mean! '

 

[Doctor of Autism]

When you put it that way, Stolas really is just Helluva's version of Angel Dust. Plus, they both get free passes with everything because 'Stella/Valentino mean! '

Eh not really, there's more self awareness Angel is a douchebag and he's actually more of a victim to Valentino who has more power than him.

Stolas could easily kick Stella's ass and has more power than her, yet lets her beat him up either for the sake of presenting him as a victim or vulnerability.

If anything, Stolas is like if Valentino was intentionally made to be a sympathetic character

 

[ApearFruit]

Simple. The word "retarded" was used in the pilot and people got upset over that. So now they have to make sure they don't go over the line of being too offensive in their show set in fucking Hell. That's why Blitzø almost called someone a retard in season 2 but stopped himself and instead said "really can't say that anymore". It's a reference to the backlash that they received from using the word in the pilot. They do want to say the word, but know they can't; otherwise Viv will get canceled

Funny how that's the ONE thing Vivzie will willingly back down on.

Critique? Even if it's a carefully constructed, neutral-leaning essay written by someone who's otherwise a fan of her stuff? Double, or even TRIPLE down on the retorts if you have to! They don't know what the fuck they're talking about! Send your horde of Vivlings, and wash the streets with the blood of the non-believers! /

Anyways... you catch my drift.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Stolas could easily kick Stella's ass and has more power than her, yet lets her beat him up either for the sake of presenting him as a victim or vulnerability.

We don't even know how much Stella has apparently "abused" Stolas during their marriage. All we got of their marraige is the day the affair happened that night, and some family photos. Oh and them sleeping together in the same bed. It's really hard to get the full picture. The show says that Stella has just been a complete nightmare to live with all this time, but at the same time will show photographs of the family having a genuine happy moment.

And this ain't a forced smile from Stella. She looks happy; they all look happy in fact. And I doubt Stella is pretending here because the show really wants to hammer in how stupid she is. Stella is not one to hide her true feelings; she's very open about how she feels at the moment. And Octavia doesn't hold any ill-will to her for her supposed perfect family life falling apart. She blames Stolas solely. And I doubt Stella was manipulating Octavia that entire time to be on her side because it shows that Stella doesn't plan things that far ahead for her advantage.

Now I'm sure in season 3 we'll see Stella being a terrible person to Stolas in the past, and softly retcon any sort of nuance about her; but as it is now, the worst thing that Stella did to Stolas before he cheated on her was throw a "not-divorced" party and make some rude comments to her friends about how terrible Stolas is at sex while most likely drunk. On the night when the affair happened. The violent and angry Stella we see now is because of Stolas cheating on her.

 

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

We don't even know how much Stella has apparently "abused" Stolas during their marriage. All we got of their marraige is the day the affair happened that night, and some family photos. Oh and them sleeping together in the same bed. It's really hard to get the full picture. The show says that Stella has just been a complete nightmare to live with all this time, but at the same time will show photographs of the family having a genuine happy moment.
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And this ain't a forced smile from Stella. She looks happy; they all look happy in fact. And I doubt Stella is pretending here because the show really wants to hammer in how stupid she is. Stella is not one to hide her true feelings; she's very open about how she feels at the moment. And Octavia doesn't hold any ill-will to her for her supposed perfect family life falling apart. She blames Stolas solely. And I doubt Stella was manipulating Octavia that entire time to be on her side because it shows that Stella doesn't plan things that far ahead for her advantage.

Now I'm sure in season 3 we'll see Stella being a terrible person to Stolas in the past, and softly retcon any sort of nuance about her; but as it is now, the worst thing that Stella did to Stolas before he cheated on her was throw a "not-divorced" party and make some rude comments to her friends about how terrible Stolas is at sex while most likely drunk. On the night when the affair happened. The violent and angry Stella we see now is because of Stolas cheating on her.

Viv already made Stella a complete psycho bitch from day 1 since the S2 opening episode has a picture of Stella as a child strangling small animals, because fuck any sort of nuance.

The retcons with Stella's and Stolas' marriage would be tolerable if it simply boiled down to them being fundamentally incompatible people, and how arranged marriages almost always end in disaster. Since Helluva does touch on themes of Hell's society being fundamentally broken, a rewritten storyline could actually help reinforce this theme by making even members of the upper class miserable because of it instead of just Stolas being sad since Stella is just an evil bitch.

Unfortunately in Viv's fujo infested writting, only Stolas can be a victim, that and the fact Viv hates women.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Viv already made Stella a complete psycho bitch from day 1 since the S2 opening episode has a picture of Stella as a child strangling small animals, because fuck any sort of nuance.

You want to know who else has anger issues?

I want to remind people that this woman has murdered others in a competition. That was supposed to be for fun.

 

[ApearFruit]

You want to know who else has anger issues?
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I want to remind people that this woman has murdered others in a competition. That was supposed to be for fun.

Yet, they still want to pull off these cheap-ass pathos moments like:

Awwww, the temu irkens and their balto oc (who are also hitmen who murder people for profit, innocent or otherwise) are having the big sad moment. Don't you wanna cry as well, viewer? It's really saaaad

 

[Blue Flying Leaf]

He's like a gentle voice saying, "it's ok, you can stop watching now: you're free."

My god, I felt that

 

[King Metalia]

If Viv hates women does that mean we can call her an "incel" or the even funnier label "a virgin with rage"?
I still maintain Viv is the Chris Chan of indie animation and I'm prepared to die on that hill.

 

[Niggerphobe]

If Viv hates women does that mean we can call her an "incel" or the even funnier label "a virgin with rage"?
I still maintain Viv is the Chris Chan of indie animation and I'm prepared to die on that hill.

that’s it I’m cutting down the internet

 

[ApearFruit]

I still maintain Viv is the Chris Chan of indie animation

I'd say she's more "(successful) Andrew Dobson", especially going by aspects like her reactions to critique, how her shows are cobbled together from years old ideas (that said you could argue that's not really exclusive to either but still...) etc.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

Yet, they still want to pull off these cheap-ass pathos moments like:
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Awwww, the temu irkens and their balto oc (who are also hitmen who murder people for profit, innocent or otherwise) are having the big sad moment. Don't you wanna cry as well, viewer? It's really saaaad

I thought that was Stella at first, lol.

that’s it I’m cutting down the internet

Mom, no!
Get away from that erotic novel, I'm burnin' it down!!!
Gosh damnit ma, don't- GAH!

I'd say she's more "(successful) Andrew Dobson", especially going by aspects like her reactions to critique, how her shows are cobbled together from years old ideas (that said you could argue that's not really exclusive to either but still...) etc.

LoL, good point. With Dobson being a creep "male feminist ally"... yet she is inverted?

BTW, I thought of something. "Heebulla Bullshit." - To go along Trashbin Homotel.

 

[Tinnitus]

Viv already made Stella a complete psycho bitch from day 1 since the S2 opening episode has a picture of Stella as a child strangling small animals, because fuck any sort of nuance.

"Here are the two puppies you always wanted Stella."
"By the way we're marrying you off to Stolas"

And then the picture gets taken.

 

[Friendly Primarina]

Viv already made Stella a complete psycho bitch from day 1 since the S2 opening episode has a picture of Stella as a child strangling small animals, because fuck any sort of nuance.

It is funny going back and seeing people disappointed at how Stella turned out. They got accused of being mad that the show didn't turn out like their headcanon but really they're only guilty of having too much faith in Viv.

"Stella is only acting this way because she's mad about the cheating. Vivzie wouldn't possibly make her a crazy bitch 'just because'.." Turns out that's exactly what she did.

 

[Gondolindrim]

It is funny going back and seeing people disappointed at how Stella turned out. They got accused of being mad that the show didn't turn out like their headcanon but really they're only guilty of having too much faith in Viv.

"Stella is only acting this way because she's mad about the cheating. Vivzie wouldn't possibly make her a crazy bitch 'just because'.." Turns out that's exactly what she did.

Stella is so justified in hating Stolas that Viv is afraid to give her an ounce of characterization. She introduced Andrealphus for the sole purpose of being a villain you can't sympathize with who also kinda hates Stella for some reason.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

Yet, they still want to pull off these cheap-ass pathos moments like:
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Awwww, the temu irkens and their balto oc (who are also hitmen who murder people for profit, innocent or otherwise) are having the big sad moment. Don't you wanna cry as well , viewer? It's really saaaad

Oh my god, what the hell is going on with Loona's body? Or lack of body I should say. Her neck must have been stretch out if her arms are hanging that low to hug and she can still managed to lean her chin on Moxxie's head. I suppose her tail is the body since it's attached to nothing.

In fact everyone looks wrong in this image. Maybe if Blitzø's clothes, Moxxie's clothes, and Loona's tail didn't have almost the exact same color I would be able to tell the anatomy better.

 

[graywolf88]

Oh my god, what the hell is going on with Loona's body? Or lack of body I should say. Her neck must have been stretch out if her arms are hanging that low to hug and she can still managed to lean her chin on Moxxie's head. I suppose her tail is the body since it's attached to nothing.

In fact everyone looks wrong in this image. Maybe if Blitzø's clothes, Moxxie's clothes, and Loona's tail didn't have almost the exact same color I would be able to tell the anatomy better.

That is not a flattering angle for Loona at all. It's like those screencaps of front facing Simpsons characters.

 

[cryptidoof]

Yet, they still want to pull off these cheap-ass pathos moments like:
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Awwww, the temu irkens and their balto oc (who are also hitmen who murder people for profit, innocent or otherwise) are having the big sad moment. Don't you wanna cry as well, viewer? It's really saaaad

I'm sorry but why does Loona have an entirely too-human face in this screen cap. Like either make it anime-esque and go all the way with the "wolf" or have your human-faced dog shit actually look like what it's supposed to be. There are too many artists, and nobody can stay consistent or on-model to begin with.

 

[ApearFruit]

Oh my god, what the hell is going on with Loona's body? Or lack of body I should say. Her neck must have been stretch out if her arms are hanging that low to hug and she can still managed to lean her chin on Moxxie's head. I suppose her tail is the body since it's attached to nothing.

In fact everyone looks wrong in this image. Maybe if Blitzø's clothes, Moxxie's clothes, and Loona's tail didn't have almost the exact same color I would be able to tell the anatomy better.

Yeah the drawings in this show can be really wonky in certain places, though I can't really blame the poor animators for that either; I mean, just look at most of the designs. Lack of neg. space, no composition, details not wrapping around the forms they're framing, and shoddy construction all around! Good luck trying to move these guys around without having to "cheat"!

 

[cryptidoof]

Yeah the drawings in this show can be really wonky in certain places, though I can't really blame the poor animators for that either; I mean, just look at most of the designs. Lack of neg. space, no composition, details not wrapping around the forms they're framing, and shoddy construction all around! Good luck trying to move these guys around without having to "cheat"!

That; also the characters, even in their watered-down forms aren't really designed well at all for quick or easy animation.