Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[InJailOutSoon]

Anyways. I'd like to see a redesign of the entire Eldritch Family. For some reason the father was named Leviathan or at least was but now it's named Frederick? Am I high or somethin?

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So let me tell you a little something about the von Eldritchs. "Frederick" being Leviathan was just a very popular theory among the fandom. It was never actually confirmed by Viv. All Viv ever really said was they they were another rich high-class family that were friends with the Morningstars. The kids went to school together; with Helsa being Charlie's bitter rival, and Sev dating Charlie. What exactly they "are" was never mentioned.

Now, the idea of Frederick being Envy would I think work. The two families are quite similar to one another, even down to their appearances. You could say the von Eldritchs are almost trying to be the Morningstars. Frederick is extremely jealous of Lucifer. Because no matter what he does he will always be one step under the ruler of Hell. So even though he may act friendly towards Lucifer on the outside, inside he really just loathes him. The appearances of them can reflect that as well. What we see is to keep up a public appearance and to look good; but they're actually just hiding their more monstrous forms. We kind of get that with Helsa in the pilot and this one little strip that Viv drew.

Anyway, we do actually see Frederick and Seviathan in the Amazon show. They're on Lucifer's wall.

(The last picture is the best quality I could find).

Now when we will get an actual proper introduction to them, I'm not sure. Season 2 already seems pretty packed, si perhaps season 3?

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

So let me tell you a little something about the von Eldritchs. "Frederick" being Leviathan was just a very popular theory among the fandom. It was never actually confirmed by Viv. All Viv ever really said was they they were another rich high-class family that were friends with the Morningstars. The kids went to school together; with Helsa being Charlie's bitter rival, and Sev dating Charlie. What exactly they "are" was never mentioned.

Now, the idea of Frederick being Envy would I think work. The two families are quite similar to one another, even down to their appearances. You could say the von Eldritchs are almost trying to be the Morningstars. Frederick is extremely jealous of Lucifer. Because no matter what he does he will always be one step under the ruler of Hell. So even though he may act friendly towards Lucifer on the outside, inside he really just loathes him. The appearances of them can reflect that as well. What we see is to keep up a public appearance and to look good; but they're actually just hiding their more monstrous forms. We kind of get that with Helsa in the pilot and this one little strip that Viv drew.View attachment 7337902View attachment 7337905

Anyway, we do actually see Frederick and Seviathan in the Amazon show. They're on Lucifer's wall.
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(The last picture is the best quality I could find).

Now when we will get an actual proper introduction to them, I'm not sure. Season 2 already seems pretty packed, si perhaps season 3?

Wait a minute. Did Lucifer give his shit to his daughter!?

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

Now when we will get an actual proper introduction to them, I'm not sure. Season 2 already seems pretty packed, si perhaps season 3?

This was discussed before, but it's interesting to see how they'll be written when they do appear, specifically Seviathan, who comes off as another Chaz. Not helping that his planned debut was in a comic called Exes and Ohs. Speaking of Exes and Oohs...
Viv confirmed on Bluesky that Henroin, Angel Dust's father, is going to appear sometime after Season 2, so it looks like him being a mobster is still canon to his character. Now the question is how they're going to differentiate him from Moxxie without pulling a reverse Stella by having him suddenly act like he did in pre-series despite Season 1 (and probably 2) woobifying him.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Charlie actually having a spine?! Series Charlie would never

 

[Sonya-chan]

Charlie actually having a spine?! Series Charlie would never

You know that if they recreate this in the show, Charlie would just awkwardly glaze at her and say nothing.

 

[The oxymoronic European]

I've been sort of floating around with the idea of doing some art of Vox and Charlie together.

If you find the subject compelling then go for it, man. Your art is very well made and does something most don't bother to do; innovate.

I mean, the fact that you put so much care and thought into the backstories of your art to accentuate it even more, when you could have just posted the redesign and been done with it, really shows how much of a better writer (and artist) you are than Vivz.

For example, Vaggies eyepatch getting drawn by Charlie? More character development in your rewrite through a single line than Vivzie managed in a season.

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

You know that if they recreate this in the show, Charlie would just awkwardly glaze at her and say nothing.

Worse, she would cry or get aggressive.

 

[GoodWinSon]

Worse, she would cry or get aggressive.

She'd cry and then get aggressive by pulling rank and dropping her daddy Lucy's name. Or Vaggie would just get angry for her while she feels sorry for herself.

Regardless, a song happens at some point during or after this which takes up a quarter of the episode. Then it's time to introduce a new character.

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

Worse, she would cry or get aggressive.

Now that you've mentioned it, she's definitely had such a downgrade, before, she would be able to somewhat stick up for herself (as stated before.) but now, she's a doormat for all of Hell to walk over. I mean Viv DID say Charlie's her self insert so what does that make Charlie as her?

Another question for OG Fans of Hazbin would the Pilot Cast be able to beat the Series Cast (I know you all will agree but I really need to see how everyone thinks of them.)

 

[King Metalia]

Charlie actually having a spine?! Series Charlie would never

I've always found it bizarre that Viv would make The Antichrist such a beta.

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

She'd cry and then get aggressive by pulling rank and dropping her daddy Lucy's name. Or Vaggie would just get angry for her while she feels sorry for herself.

You see, Pilot Vaggie would get angry for her, as she was a lot more hot headed there then she is in the series. What I meant is Charlie would, or at least look like she's ready to beat someone up in a heartbeat.

The way Jill delivered Charlie calling Katie a bitch in the pilot shows she obviously meant it, but was holding back because she didn't want to resort to saying it and only fought Katie because the latter (presumably) struck first. When Charlie called Susan a bitch in Episode 7, she said so aggressively, if Rosie wasn't there to calm her down, Charlie might've tried punching Susan in the face. The same could be said for Adam and Valentino with her about to go in full demon mode on them, though I can excuse Val, since he did push Angel Dust, and in the planned comic that debuted Carmilla, Charlie goes demon mode trying to protect Vaggie.

But then there's Overture's ending, the smallest, yet biggest instance of Charlie being a woman child as she was going in full demon mode over the fact that the commercial got interrupted by the News. Like jeez, I get your buddies worked hard on it, but take a chill pill, why don't ya

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

But then there's Overture's ending, the smallest, yet biggest instance of Charlie being a woman child as she was going in full demon mode over the fact that the commercial got interrupted by the News. Like jeez, I get your buddies worked hard on it, but take a chill pill, why don't ya

This is definitely Viv.

 

[The tired cat]

There was this funny short comic, where an imp director gives Charlie sass about how she didn't like the lights for the commercial. So, she splashes hot coffee in his face, apologizes and then goes "Now go and make this scene proper or I'm getting another cup..."

 

[Re(Runner)48]

Its finished finally got these ideas. I really like how it came out. This particular interaction got my noggin jogging as it has all of my symbolism connected.

I really like the idea of Vox being this predatory cult leader who's manipulated thousands of children for his own selfish ego. And that with this experience passed on to his "new life" finding out Charlie is a "child" that stays like that FOREVER. His depravity is heightened, his controlling nature, and revolting fascination is consuming him. To him Charlie is what hes always wanted; she is an OBJECT something he can manipulate like a puppet, she is only good for what she offers her body. (Allegory for his victims and CSA in general)

My idea was that he wants her for her body and or power. He would hypnotize her, shaming her and making her feel bad that she's a FAILURE as a Princess and that without her doing anything sooner thousands of her people were suffering/died.

While she is distracted he plugs his AUX cords in her neck, using her as a battery essentially gaining all of her hellish powers. Finally getting a body (hers now "merged" with his body.)

He becomes enormous, faster, godly even. He is no longer tethered to electricity. His "unrecognizable" human form is now given flesh able to leave his screen (only partially) he can now conjure things in his screen to attack. Charlie's body is now lifeless, being puppeted by Vox as an extension of himself. Her body is exposed showing her doll anatomy, as her purpose now is to serve him. He uses Charlie to fight for him, summoning hellish weapons her family have. The gang would not be able to fight him as they could hurt or kill her, she is his shield and his weapon. Alastor would be the only one that would fight him as their deal was to protect her (plus he wants her power and seeing a demon that ISN'T him steal it from him pisses him off.)

She would be freed and Vox is now weaker, as a princess Charlie has released ALL of his contracts. Vox for the first time feels fear, he is absolutely frightened begging for Charlie to forgive him, that he can change he promises. Charlie now growing realizing that not all demons can be saved catharticly uses her powers to imprison Vox. He is reduced to electricity an object for the people to use, much like how he used his victims. And for the rest of his eternal punishment he is ripped apart, used up, and lonely with nothing else to control. He gets driven mad and fragments till the end of time.

As Always

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

Finally getting a body (hers now "merged" with his body.)

I really like this design, but I feel like you could also take a page out of canon's book, and give Vox an actual tall body of his own (maybe he basically reshapes Charlie into a skinsuit for him to wear, since she's a doll).
I think that's what makes the (villain) characters in the show sort of work – despite their cluttered designs and numerous animation errors, there is a certain physicality to their movements; you can just tell that these niggas are  tall. Adam is an obvious example, given how he towers over basically the entire cast except Sera, with Valentino being a close second in terms of height.
There's also another thing canon!Vox does that I really like, which is when he sorta jumpscares the viewer, by getting uncomfortably close to the camera to yell at someone. IIRC, he's the only one that does this, so it is definitely an unique quirk. Maybe your version of him could have that same character tic too?

 

[Re(Runner)48]

I think that's what makes the (villain) characters in the show sort of work – despite their cluttered designs and numerous animation errors, there is a certain physicality to their movements; you can just tell that these niggas are  tall.

I get the idea of tall which I have added to alpt of the redesigns being tall guys. For me personally I wanted it to be a reverse version of my redesign of Alastor being a tall, lanky, atrophied creature that would give children nightmares. Vox on the other hand being a smaller bulky guy something that you would think is "friendly" or "chipper" something that would attract people and children. But when he merges with Charlie it makes him huge hulking almost blimp like (representing his ego) I imagine as hes flying Charlie's small limp body would be floating lifeless through the air, almost like a child is being stolen by a huge balloon.

Tic wise I would imagine his quirks being this happy go lucky cartoon character, who everyone loves (kind of like a Looney Tunes character) but when the cameras are off he would be cold and emotionless. When he becomes a huge blimp one his screen would have laugh tracks and other TV show styled sounds. Another quirk is that now hes god like he can pull things out of his screen to use. Like he can pull a drink out of the screen to drink or use things on the screen as slap stick. Those were just a couple ideas to spitball.

 

[The Nothingness]

The gang would not be able to fight him as they could hurt or kill her, she is his shield and his weapon. Alastor would be the only one that would fight him as their deal was to protect her (plus he wants her power and seeing a demon that ISN'T him steal it from him pisses him off.)

You mean he's not defeated by simply being stabbed in the back that is anticlimactic and suppose to be funny?

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

You mean he's not defeated by simply being stabbed in the back that is anticlimactic and suppose to be funny?

To be fair...
Adam only gets stabbed right after he's had the shit beaten out of him by Lucifer (which admittedly is its own form of anticlimax, considering only Charlie was able to even do so much as lightly nick CHADam up to this point, and even then he still puts up a respectable showing up until Lucifuck goes full ragemode)

 

[Doctor of Autism]

To be fair...
Adam only gets stabbed right after he's had the shit beaten out of him by Lucifer (which admittedly is its own form of anticlimax, considering only Charlie was able to even do so much as lightly nick CHADam up to this point, and even then he still puts up a respectable showing up until Lucifuck goes full ragemode)

Also he was stabbed by an angelic weapon which even then, if Adam invested in body armor, he would've probably lived.

 

[Strawberry Kiwi Propel]

Another quirk is that now hes god like he can pull things out of his screen to use. Like he can pull a drink out of the screen to drink or use things on the screen as slap stick.

Oh, sorta like Wonkavision. Fitting, since Vox's voice actor played Willy Wonka before.