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Strawberry Kiwi Propel said:
I believe there is a Voxtagram post that predated Murder Family (as it incorporated Stella's pilot design), that alluded to that proposed plot line. Stolas and Stella were out having tea, with Stella squeezing Stolas' hand while smiling, and Stolas' text was along the lines of "Having a lovely afternoon with my wife" despite appearing to have a disgruntled face. This gave off the impression that the conflict in their relationship is Stella wanting to keep up with her royal appearances, where as Stolas wanting a more lax lifestyle, doing his little fling with his imp, even if it means potentially jeapordizing their reputation.

Of course, that would require making Stolas more accountable with his actions, but we can't have that now, can we?
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That definitely seemed to be the case for the first season. While I do think that Stella was upset that Stolas did cheat on her (hence her anger towards Stolas for sleeping with someone in their bed, and calling him a cheating prick), the fact that he cheated on her with an imp and he was so open about it really pushed her over the edge. Stolas really didn't care about keeping up appearances, while Stella did. You can see it even with how they present themselves. Stolas will wear his bathroom and lounge wear when he is at home, but Stella is always in her regal dress. Perhaps that's because for her entire life she was taught to always look her best no matter what; and we can kind of seeing that being confirmed since the only thing she is ever being complimented for, even by her own brother, is how attractive she looks.

I've mentioned this was back before, but I also assumed that Stella was the one to make public appearances and throw events, while Stolas did most of his duties at home. This could explain why Octavia is so attached to Stolas. Not saying that Stella didn't spend time with her daughter. We have the pictures to prove that wasn't the case. Especially with the one with Loo Loo Land, as that was a ripoff of another theme park, and was meant for the lower class citizens like imps to go to. You can't convince that the classist Stella would want to go to such a place; and have her picture taken there willingly because that would definitely make her look bad on her status. The only reason why I think she would do something like that is because it made her daughter happy. And she was willing to make that sacrifice for the sake of her daughter.

Again, most of this is just theories, but you can't blame people coming to this conclusion. Especially since Viv herself said way back that the whole situation wasn't black and white.
 
Its time for another REDO, this time its a double and this is two of the V's.

Vox and Valentino.

I really don't like them, their original designs are really irritating. Too much red, so much wasted potential much like most of Vivs designs, similar body types, and confusing motifs. I already added some lore already to the AngelDust design.

I don't really like how they were written as they are just sympathy sinks for the protagonists, nothing for personality or motives other than EVIL. Vox however is more bland as he has nothing going for him other than being Alastors obsessed fanboy. So its time for the rewrite.

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Valentinos moth design annoys me of how it wraps around his body it doesn't make much sense.

Valentino isnt based on a specific moth which makes it confusing as he just looks like a purple bald monster.

Vox is a cult member but nothing is added to make him look like one (symbols and such)

Valentinos past life isn't established.

Body types are the same.

Neither are menacing or threatening. Nothing really demon like to me

Vox's electricity and such isn't pushed, same as Valentinos moth features.


New

Vox is a smaller build and floats around, and has AUX (like his name) cords on the end of his suit. Plugs and rabbit ears to play with him being a TV demon.

Vox's face would be live action/ or he would communicate with ads and TV shows to make him uncanny adding something special to him. (He would talk kind of like the Master from Fallout where there are alot of different voices)

His gloves and pin are of his cult symbol.

He still has hypnotic powers which he uses with his staff to steal energy from other demons.

Valentino is a Decorated Beauty (Mexican moth adding to his heritage) and he alot more patterns and a different color scheme.

He has big fluffy arms and feet like a moth. Moth feet that look like heels.

His face is a fusion of a gas mask (his old life) which look similar to a moths face. He smokes his cigarette which permeates out of the gas masks nose. And his eyes are shapes like hearts and his pupils glow in the dark. He is attracted to Vox's screens and the light he radiates.

Played with their proportions.




Story

Valentino is his past life worked with the Mafia, he was a chemist. He would get rid of the bodies (acid) and make drugs for the Mafia his specialty was PCP.

His hobby was collecting bugs.

Eventually they get rid of him trying to pin the blame on Valentino. They put him in a room and gassed him to death.

He comes back weak and gets mugged by Anthony in hell. Wanting money for drugs. He then promises hes useful to him alive as he use to make drugs. He introduces him to his specialty Angel Dust. Which eventually becomes his name because of how addicted he gets.

They become a crime duo, and they rise. Valentino already knowing how the mafia works is able to adapt to this lifestyle. He is Angels first male partner, and this makes AngelDust dependent as its his first.

Vox recognizes Valentinos power rising and wants in on it. Meeting up he strikes a deal with him to become an overlord together.

Valentino betrays AngelDust and makes him his property.

The gas coming out of his mask is a drug as well as his saliva (how he died/ what his profession was)

Still uses chemistry to make his stuff more powerful.

Vox in his past life was a cult leader who had his own TV show (when TV became popular) he targeted children with his colorful TV show. Where he was a Willy Wonka/ Pewee character.

When parents put their kids in front of the TV he would brainwashed them. He eventually lures the kids out of towns through the show, Pied Piper style.

He uses these kids to lure in more kids as they are more vulnerable.

He sells children off to other countries, pedophile rings, blackmarket whichever. He knows that its a way for him to capitalize off degenerates with large pockets.

Parents eventually find him and inact justice. They beat him till hes unrecognizable, throwing him barely alive in the ocean where he drowns eventually getting eaten by sharks.

His new form is reminises of a cartoon character children would watch. But he lacks his own face/identity. He can't stay physical for too long and lives through electricity and soul energy.

Valentino is attracted to him (power wise and sexually) Vox exploits his weaknesses and doesn’t see him in this way so he strings him along. With pornagraphy, drugs, and all of his vices.

Vox chooses him because he realizes how easy he is to manipulate with his light. And is a valuable pawn.

Vox is the head of the V's.

Vox's rivalry is out of rejection. As he wanted Alastor because of him being a physical demon, and that with both of them controlling the airwaves/ press. He is jealous that Alastor has an actual body while he does not.

Is still a control freak hence why he is obsessed with keeping all eyes on him.

Vox is an unfeeling being who uses only logic to think.


As always.


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Dr. Arinsu said:
Yoooo I was wondering if there's like refs for the designs in a character sheet. I'd die to have some (is it okay to use the designs in a rewrite? My friend's interested.)
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So far this is my only one, I make super messy sketches of different designs before I make a single solid design. This is the only ones I have as a finalized design, sofeel free to tweak, add anything, or see what you come up with in the interpretation. Go nuts!

Of course go ahead, I'd like to see what you come up with.
 
I'm thinking about that weeaboo-boo short. Isn't it funny how the one time that a character being sexually interested in Blitzo makes sense it's the one time he suddenly has standards?
 
Re(Runner)48 said:
Vox and Valentino.
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Amazing fucking job. Vox looks like an actual creep and someone who could have done damage. Much like Valentino, a drugrunner (more like drug maker). Amazing job!

Think of Jim Jones and Jonestown, only for paedophiles. Nice insertion of the "boylover" symbols too.
 
Strawberry Kiwi Propel said:
Lute as well, especially with Adam out of the picture. Based on the leaks, they're going to make her overly maniacal with her quest for vengeance, so not only we the audience can root for the characters to take her out, but to further cement how "enlighten" Sera has become.
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Vengeance against the literal demons and evil humans who've killed God's servants. Yeah, I'm sense another Stella situation here.
 
Re(Runner)48 said:
So far this is my only one, I make super messy sketches of different designs before I make a single solid design. This is the only ones I have as a finalized design, sofeel free to tweak, add anything, or see what you come up with in the interpretation. Go nuts!

Of course go ahead, I'd like to see what you come up with.
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Thats amazing because whatever you put out makes me happy, also do you think you can sent the redesigns you did in a spoiler.
 
The more I think about it, thanks to the redo lore of Vox, Velvette being in charge of social media is kind of unnecessary as Vox should have control of all media outlets. She can still run the fashion industry, but got to her position of power due to her alliance with Vox.
 
Don't remember if this was already touched on, but it is interesting how it's stated it's uncommon for imps to own/start their own businesses, when, we practically see that all the time in the show, and no one really says anything?

I could excuse the show if it had established a clearer distinction between the lower class imps and... everyone else, besides the goetia being that wealthy 1%. It just seems like the imps are more akin to regular everyday civilians than products from the slums. It isn't helped how the native species of hell are indistinguishable from the sinners either. Imps seem straightforward, but are there people who become hellhounds when they die? Which in this universe are just anthropomorphic dogs with red eyes. What about anthropomorphic birds? What's stopping this undefined system?

Even the 7 deadly sins, in my honest to God opinion, don't feel like old entities. I had this theory in my head a while back that they were just another set of sinners who became overlords because Lucifer liked them or something. They don't feel particularly unique.

I believe Vivziepop could rectify this if she kept the majority of the sinners human, just for ease of distinction, and those who have committed the most heinous of crimes turn into unique creatures, basically indistinguishable from the other inhabitants of hell. This could also stir up more conflict because when the angels come down, they're only there to purge. They don't care who's who, unless it's Charlie, or Lucifer. (They should also cut out the fact that native species are spared because... why would Lucifer even care??) There could be an uprising, lead especially by the V's because they want to keep their greedy triple enterprise on the rise.
 
The Nothingness said:
The more I think about it, thanks to the redo lore of Vox, Velvette being in charge of social media is kind of unnecessary as Vox should have control of all media outlets. She can still run the fashion industry, but got to her position of power due to her alliance with Vox.
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I actually do have some lore for Velvet and added her own strengths to her. I was thinking about her being a fashion icon/head of the company, and having her essentially being the Vogue of H.H. Where they push unhealthy beauty standards to others, fake images because they can never be beautiful enough, then try to get press by lying and saying that its "society's fault" for pushing the beauty standards WHEN they just don't want to take accountability and address the issues they are causing people. She would be seen as "nicer" and also be their PR/HR girl who look like this when they completely destroy your career and life.

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(With body horror and other things about her of course not gonna spoil it too much of what's in store)


Dr. Arinsu said:
Thats amazing because whatever you put out makes me happy, also do you think you can sent the redesigns you did in a spoiler.
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I'm an idiot at tech sorry. I have no idea how to do that shit on a mobile device so that's why I just do information dumps/ add the image. Its an easy method for my low technical IQ.
 
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Gondolindrim said:
Vengeance against the literal demons and evil humans who've killed God's servants. Yeah, I'm sense another Stella situation here.
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With a Stella situation it feels like it involves overly demonizing a character just for the sake of making another look good despite them also being in the wrong, in this case Stolas.

Now let's look at how this is likely going to happen in Season 2 with who could be more sympathetic undeservedly to make Lute look unreasonable -

Hotel Cast + Lucifer = All have pretty justifiable reasons to be against Lute given Adam intentionally ordered himself and the exorcists to target them

Emily, Adam's kid, and Saint Peter = They don't even share scenes and would have rights to be sympathetic (at least for now)

Eve/"Lilith" = She's already going to be the main villain

Sera = Likely going to be seen as sympathetic despite being the one who oversees the exterminations while being a massive idiot while Lute is a cog in the machine that she and Adam set up.

Like imagine being a soldier, sent to attack a foreign nation, and suddenly your boss is playing nice despite your boss being the one to set out the attack unprovoked based solely on rumors.
 
The Nothingness said:
The more I think about it, thanks to the redo lore of Vox, Velvette being in charge of social media is kind of unnecessary as Vox should have control of all media outlets. She can still run the fashion industry, but got to her position of power due to her alliance with Vox.
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Social media was part of Vox's domain back in pre-series days, hence the Instagram parody being called Voxtagram. All we knew about Velvette before the show was that she makes potions and died in the 2010's. People was just assuming she was the Social Media Overlord because her two seconds of screentime in the pilot was her taking a selfie.
 
Baphometkun said:
Even the 7 deadly sins, in my honest to God opinion, don't feel like old entities. I had this theory in my head a while back that they were just another set of sinners who became overlords because Lucifer liked them or something. They don't feel particularly unique.
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I believe that the sameness of characters derives from the fact that all the characters are OCs. Really none of the characters were conceived with the setting in mind.

For Viv, the setting is a big red poster board for her to tape her teenage sketches onto. It only serves as a place for all her characters to exist together. It's also why the internal logic of HH/HB is schizophrenic. Take Stolas. He's a high level demon in hell, yet he is written as a weak willed sop and the only evil he commits is being a poor husband and father. These character traits could be interesting if the setting allowed for it, but Stolas is bailed out at almost every oppurtunity. Even when he is caught and punished (read: slapped on the wrist) he still ends the season with his lover, happy as can be.

The strangest part? Both HH and HB began with interesting premises and settings. Yet, at some point Viv stopped caring and sacrificed everything so she could play with her OCs and give them silly songs to sing.
 
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