Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

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Kyria the Great said:
Honestly I do wonder if Vivzi is one of those women who hate other women seeing them as competitions as both of her series barely have any female characters that aren't mere assessories to another character or are just being a bitch to the "sad character".
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And the only exception, Charlie, has been documented on here as having a better character in the pilot than in the series.
 
Though I'm very happy that we don't like the excuse for manipulative lechers like Stolas on this thread. Though if he was unrepentantly the manipulative and abusive asshole like he was in the pilot, Id respect him as the evil boss in which IMP must placate yet also eventually outplay
 
Kyria the Great said:
Though I'm very happy that we don't like the excuse for manipulative lechers like Stolas on this thread. Though if he was unrepentantly the manipulative and abusive asshole like he was in the pilot, Id respect him as the evil boss in which IMP must placate yet also eventually outplay
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Yeah Pilot!Stolas would've been fine being a manipulative gaslighter, and he could be effective.

Season 1 Stolas also could've been fine if they had a slow burn to him learning from his mistakes and trying to improve, which it looked like it was setting up from how Blitzo feels shackled by him to Stolas feeling guilt over how he treats Octavia and Stella.

But then Season 2 came around to really make him one of the worst animated characters out there.
 
The Nothingness said:
And the only exception, Charlie, has been documented on here as having a better character in the pilot than in the series.
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That was before Viv completed swallowed Charlie and become her full self insert.

Kyria the Great said:
Though I'm very happy that we don't like the excuse for manipulative lechers like Stolas on this thread. Though if he was unrepentantly the manipulative and abusive asshole like he was in the pilot, Id respect him as the evil boss in which IMP must placate yet also eventually outplay
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Doublepost:

That's what I'm thinking! It would be so interesting and rewarding for the series to have an underdog win. Everyone roots for the underdog, especially if they are all horrible fucking beings. The audience can connect to them more, and feel a sense of owning that asshole. I added that in the rewrite as it's something I feel the audience was promised, and were lulled into a false sense of security. It's so weird why people aren't advocating for that, as Viv is a constant rugpuller and liar.
 
My Friend wanted me to share his redesign info of the Hazbin Characters. So here they are. He's never finished past these three though.

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On the topic of swearing a page or two ago. Honestly i think more disappointed in how uncreative the swears are ngl.

Like you have so many characters from different era’s your telling me they don’t have a unique way of insulting people
 
brownsuagrbubbletea said:
On the topic of swearing a page or two ago. Honestly i think more disappointed in how uncreative the swears are ngl.

Like you have so many characters from different era’s your telling me they don’t have a unique way of insulting people
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I mean its written by someone who has Millennial-Gen Alpha to Appeal to, in fact most Gen Alpha shit is literally remixing the only (arguably good part) of the show. The Songs. If you want creative then she has to do research but everyone knows that's impossible. The best she can do is have Vaggie call someone a puta. That's it.
 
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In my notifications, someone liked a post I made in this thread over two years ago, and it's amazing how my feelings for Helluva Boss has relatively stayed the same way since then.
InJailOutSoon said:
That's the main issue that I have with the show. Why is there drama? Why did there ever need to be drama in a small episodic spinoff that was meant to tide over audience while the main, bigger, complex show was being made?
Whatever you thought of the pilot for Hazbin Hotel, it at least got across that it was going to have serious moments, character depth, and a consistent story of a demon princess trying to redeem people in hell. Yes it's also comedic but that wasn't its main focus.

Helluva Boss' pilot showed that its focus was going to be a dark comedy about an organization in hell that kills living people for money, with not only dealing with the shenanigans that comes with said business, but also within the group themselves.
It was never supposed to take itself seriously. It wasn't supposed to get indepth with its characters and lore. It wasn't supposed to get "deep". It was supposed to be something you could watch and laugh at, and that's it. You can even see that in the first episode, as the plot follows the formula in the pilot, just not as messy. But somewhere between that first episode and second episode, Viv thought "Hmm, maybe I should give one of these characters some complexity...I know which one. No, not any of the people in that main cast. Pfft, that would be stupid. How about that one bird that solicits Blitzo for sexual favors. He had, like, maybe a minute or two of screen time in both the pilot and first episode. Yeah, that's what I should prioritize." And then we got episode two. I didn't even think episode two was that bad but it definitely caught be off guard. Thought, ok I thought these were just going to be sort of like one-offs but whatever. Except that it still was, because then we got episode 3 and 4 which were more episodic in nature. Confusing that we're back to this, but maybe they wanted to get to the original format. Then we get to episode 5 which starts out similar enough but ends up with something that sounds like it will be brought up later in the series as being a plot point. And I'm like "what the fuck? Why are we back to this? I thought this was supposed to be episodic?" Then episode 6, pretty similar with how episode 5 go and me being confused with what the people behind this show are trying to. And then episode 7 came and that's when I realized we're getting a drama.

TLDR: Viv can't
figure whether she wants funny episodic or serious serialization. She needs to make up her damn mind cause I can't tell anymore what is supposed to be funny and dark, or serious and depressing.
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InJailOutSoon said:
In my notifications, someone liked a post I made in this thread over two years ago, and it's amazing how my feelings for Helluva Boss has relatively stayed the same way since then.
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Looking back at the older posts generally really showed the huge shift the people watching this thread felt about the show overtime. From being cautious yet hopeful to concerned yet giving it another chance to thin ice to practically watching it slowly die off the face of indie animation as it slowly becomes less of a show that defined all odds and more of Vivziepop's unfiltered YA fujoshi fanfiction disguised as a show that more people than ever are starting to be more vocal against. All the potential's gone. All we can do is reimagine the entire story, characters, world; everything. We know Viv won't do it in a million years if it means she gets to continue coddling Stolas no matter what.
 
didelphigina said:
Looking back at the older posts generally really showed the huge shift the people watching this thread felt about the show overtime. From being cautious yet hopeful to concerned yet giving it another chance to thin ice to practically watching it slowly die off the face of indie animation as it slowly becomes less of a show that defined all odds and more of Vivziepop's unfiltered YA fujoshi fanfiction disguised as a show that more people than ever are starting to be more vocal against. All the potential's gone. All we can do is reimagine the entire story, characters, world; everything. We know Viv won't do it in a million years if it means she gets to continue coddling Stolas no matter what.
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The "art style/animation" (:optimistic:)is pretty good, I guess.
 
didelphigina said:
Looking back at the older posts generally really showed the huge shift the people watching this thread felt about the show overtime. From being cautious yet hopeful to concerned yet giving it another chance to thin ice to practically watching it slowly die off the face of indie animation as it slowly becomes less of a show that defined all odds and more of Vivziepop's unfiltered YA fujoshi fanfiction disguised as a show that more people than ever are starting to be more vocal against. All the potential's gone. All we can do is reimagine the entire story, characters, world; everything. We know Viv won't do it in a million years if it means she gets to continue coddling Stolas no matter what.
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Yeah Helluva Boss used to be a really good show, and it really devolved in quality. The only sparks it has is when the show really goes away from Stolas or just uses him as a gag character than a romantic lead. But the show is just all about this really unlikeable yaoi couple that makes the show borderline insufferable. Literally the only consistent strengths it has left is in the voice acting and animation.

Hazbin Hotel has yet to devolve as far since it is just mediocre held up by the fact Vivzie is more constrained which is simultaneously good and bad since the animation is quite stiff and she has less episodes, but at the same time we aren't getting a full season of garbage like how Season 2 has like 7 episodes focused on or related to Stolas, two focused on Moxxie's angst, two focused on a side character, and one that is actually alright
 
didelphigina said:
Looking back at the older posts generally really showed the huge shift the people watching this thread felt about the show overtime. From being cautious yet hopeful to concerned yet giving it another chance to thin ice to practically watching it slowly die off the face of indie animation as it slowly becomes less of a show that defined all odds and more of Vivziepop's unfiltered YA fujoshi fanfiction disguised as a show that more people than ever are starting to be more vocal against. All the potential's gone. All we can do is reimagine the entire story, characters, world; everything. We know Viv won't do it in a million years if it means she gets to continue coddling Stolas no matter what.
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It’s kind sad, I remember talking about how excited I was for this series when the pilot for came out with an irl friend. The long wait lowkey did kill it for me ngl.
same friend asked me how it was when the series first came out and i described it to him "Like a cake but instead of sugar its salt"
 
Doctor of Autism said:
Season 2 has like 7 episodes focused on or related to Stolas
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That's what upsets me. Season 2 should've been spent focusing on the development of the main cast or showcasing newer worlds across Hell. We have yet to see what Sloth, Envy, and Gluttony looks like beyond the very small tidbits! Envy hasn't even officially shown yet! All that time spent doing all the "Will they, won't they?" junk for Stolitz should've been spent on real development, both character and world wise. God, it gets me so upset whenever I'm reminded of this. The fact Stolas got this much attention and how little to none of the hardcore stans pointed how much he's favored over the LITERAL MAIN CAST baffles me so much. They're so fujobrained that they could care less about how the show actually ends up as long as Viv keep feeding them the one thing they desire the most.
 
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So a Helluva fan decided to vandalize their school's library. And yes, it was confirmed to be a fan because people were claiming "that's just an anti trying to make the fandom look bad".
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The responses are about what you expect them to be. We even got one from the big cheese herself.
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The reply by DJ B.LITZ especially annoyed me because OP literally said books were thrown around. I'm pretty sure these same people wouldn't be as lenient about this sort of thing if THEY were the ones that had to clean up this mess. Even saw someone make a post saying "it should have been Stoliz". Becaue that's what these underpaid librarians need to see; ugly yaoi.
 
InJailOutSoon said:
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So a Helluva fan decided to vandalize their school's library. And yes, it was confirmed to be a fan because people were claiming "that's just an anti trying to make the fandom look bad".
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The responses are about what you expect them to be. We even got one from the big cheese herself.
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The reply by DJ B.LITZ especially annoyed me because OP literally said books were thrown around. I'm pretty sure these same people wouldn't be as lenient about this sort of thing if THEY were the ones that had to clean up this mess. Even saw someone make a post saying "it should have been Stoliz". Becaue that's what these underpaid librarians need to see; ugly yaoi.
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"Satire btw for the toddlers on twitter" <- Now that's what I call an attitude that needs correcting. Fucking brats with the access to the internet. Reminds me of the classic MemeriTV:

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