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Helluva Boss has shown that a sinful act in the spur of the moment (Murder Family) or a lifetime of them (C.H.E.R.U.B) can land you in Hell. We haven't really seen a situation where a hit that the I.M.P crew takes turned out to be an innocent victim, and probably never will.
Mrs. Mayberry's victims were hardly innocent themselves. Generally killing yourself is viewed as one of the most serious mortal sins, even above murder in some cases. That used to get you nearly universally excluded from being buried in a Catholic cemetery. The fact the first thing she did on getting to Hell was to take another shot at killing her enemy shows she wasn't really reformed and was probably not that nice to begin with.
 
Parts of HB episodes 6 and 12 have been leaked on 4chan. Someone's getting fired.
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Ep 6 may give a bit more into M&M's relationship along with some character development for Millie if what the episode's antagonist says is partially true.

Ep 12 may be the season finale so it's no surprise the focus will be on Stolas and Octavia again.
 
After watching the leaks, I'm going to try to give a fair critique on them. Since they are not the full episode themselves and we don't know what happened in previous episodes, I'm going to try and be fair and give the benefit of the doubt that any confusions I have will explained later on in the show.

Episode 6:
So from the looks of the scene, it looks like this could be a possible assassination job that IMP got hired for? But thn it's revealed that the person is not really a human, but a demon in disguise. Or it could be about something completely different. I don't know. It would be nice if we do get to SEE them doing their job.

Anyway, it appears the demon feeds off of others doubts and faults, and then convinces them to kill themselves. We see him doing it with Moxxie, and it we get what we already know about him and then...MILLIE!? Millie gets something!? And she....WAS ABOUT TO JUMP!?

What the fuck? That's quite a bit to take in considering that Millie's been such a flat character thus far. I sure hope this gets brought up in later episodes...or more likely this small revelation will never be brought up again and be filed with the rest of "Helluva Boss moments that seem important but will never be brought up again".

Anyway, Blitzø and Loona come in, and then Loona gets her ass kicked, yada yada. We now get to see the demon talk about Blitzø and...nothing new. We already know what he thinks about himself. Though we do get vague info on Barbie Wire and it seems to insuniate that Blitzø is to blame for whatever happened to her. Put that on the list of another person Blitzø screwed over. Why are we rooting for him again?

Anyway, we get something that similarly happened in the Harvest Moon episode, where it appears that Blitzø agrees with the antagonist, but then he actually doesn't. Loona comes in to finish the demon off and we don't get any insight on her because she's a bitch.

All is saved, they defeat the bad guy, and anything of remote interest that happened in this episode will most likely never be brought up again and whatever the characters learned doesn't matter because they'll just go back to what they were like at the beginning of the episode.

Sarcasm aside, there's really nothing too much to say about this scene. Everything thing that demon brings up, we as the audience already knew that, and the two new things that are of intrigue are either vague with its message or will most likely not be looked into in later episodes.

(One other thing I like to point out, is I have no idea what the characters power levels are because they just change on a whim for whatever is convenient for the plot.)

Since I rambled on much too long for episode 6, I'll make another post later on about episode 12 because...oh boy, do I have a lot to say about that one.
 
We see him doing it with Moxxie, and it we get what we already know about him and then...MILLIE!? Millie gets something!? And she....WAS ABOUT TO JUMP!?
Loona comes in to finish the demon off and we don't get any insight on her because she's a bitch.
>uses a character that feeds off of people's faults on one of the nicest characters of the show, causing her to have suicidal thoughts
>DOESN'T use said character on the bitchiest member of the group, causing her to have absolutely no development whatsoever

that's so vivziepop.JPG
 
Parts of HB episodes 6 and 12 have been leaked on 4chan. Someone's getting fired.
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I shit you not I smiled like a idiot when Octavia just told her dad in uncertain words to fuck off with his imp toy and just left without any other words.
Let this be a lesson: if there is absolutely no way to try and get someone like Stolas to be normal. The best thing to do is just leave them to fate, there's nothing you can do for them that won't inevitably start hurting you.
 
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I shit you not I smiled like a idiot when Octavia just told her dad in uncertain words to fuck off with his imp toy and just left without any other words.
Its a shame that they frame the cheating faggot as the most sympathetic character in all of it. Then in a future episode it will all be undone and their relationship will be repaired yada yada yada. Its all so tiresome.
https://boards.4channel.org/co/thread/134770451#p134772096
in this thread supposedly a leaks how character gonna to be written
Because the pseudo-angel is the one at fault for punishing FUCKING SINNERS who were dirtbags on earth and were specifically sent to hell to be punished.

Viv has completely lost the plot and the initial premise of her show of sinners BEING REDEEMED!!! Instead we are going to get some modern day degenerate "progressive" garbage about how they don't need to be redeemed and they are okay just the way they are and its all heaven's fault for creating these rules yada yada yada. Its "the angels are actually the villain's" trope that we have seen a thousand fucking times before.

I said it in an earlier post, but the more we see the more I dread this turd dropping.
 
Wait, is Adam suppose be in reference to the biblical Adam? So will there be another twist where it's revealed Lilith (Charlie's mom) is Eve, she chose Lucifer over Adam, and Adam (becoming an angel, somehow), came up with the annual cleanse of Hell because he got cucked?
 
Wait, is Adam suppose be in reference to the biblical Adam? So will there be another twist where it's revealed Lilith (Charlie's mom) is Eve, she chose Lucifer over Adam, and Adam (becoming an angel, somehow), came up with the annual cleanse of Hell because he got cucked?
Really,  REALLY wanna say no, but considering Viv. I'm pretty fucking sure that will be the *exact* reason
 
Wait, is Adam suppose be in reference to the biblical Adam? So will there be another twist where it's revealed Lilith (Charlie's mom) is Eve, she chose Lucifer over Adam, and Adam (becoming an angel, somehow), came up with the annual cleanse of Hell because he got cucked?
If this ends up happening, it'll be the third (technically forth. fifth?) time in less than eight years (that I know of) where a character in a niche yet at the same time popular franchise became a villain just because they got cucked.

What the fuck.
 
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Dare I ask what the other times were?
Eren from Attack on Titan, and Nishiki from Yakuza.

Nishiki technically got cucked three times because the remake forgot to add his new backstory to his final scene dialogue despite the rest of the game adding brand new cutscenes to flesh out his new motive, so instead it just looks like he's still mad at you for accidentally stealing his girl. Not only did he get cucked by his best friend twice, he got cucked out of his entire new backstory that's already in the game.
 
It's time for me to talk about the leak of episode 12. I'll try to not be as long like the last one but no promises.

Episode 12:

So, I assume this will be the final episode of season 2 based on how dramatic everything gets with probably ending in another cliffhanger like season 1 did. Of course it's mostly about Stolas, but that is expected.

Looks like some sort of action scene happened, with Octavia learning her new powers. Stolas comes over to congratulate, and that's when shit starts to go down.

I won't lie; I was happy to see Octavia actually having enough with Stolas' bullshit. Her forgiving him so easily the last two times was so frustrating. But...oh boy. The writing! It seems like they're trying to give Stolas pity in this with the way Octavia's dialogue is. It's a shame really. There's some good points she brings up but it is just overshadow with how she says it.

So after all that, Octavia leaves her dad, by forming rocks around his house? I don't know if this is supposed to be metaphorical or literal, but we'll probably get some context for that. So Stolas cries (yay) as he is finally getting a consequence that actually affects him deeply.

With the next clip, we see Octavia walking around in the house, with Stolas' plants dying around here. I guess he got kicked out of his own house, since its not abandoned. I don't know how that exactly works since we know Stella has her own place. Speaking of Stella, we see a brief appearance from her and...

Viv, I know you want to show us that Stolas=good and Stella=bad, but can you PLEASE stop making her only character trait being "hating Stolas"? I can't take her seriously when she's laughing like some cartoonish villain. Can you just try to humanize her just a tad? It really makes Octavia look either stupid or awful for choosing to stay with Stella instead of Stolas. (Oh yeah also Andrealphus is there and I really have nothing to add about him.)

Octavia does her song number, which seems like a response to the song "You Will Be Okay" from Stolas, so that's kind of nice I guess. But I'm just so tired of basically being told how good Octavia and Stolas relationship was. Like we see drawings, pictures, and we had two small flashbacks with them...and that's it. And they all appear to have happened around the same time. Is there nothing to show between then and now? Also, I guess Stella wasn't a bitch the entire time since there's a picture of her with Octavia and Stolas, and she has a genuine smile on her face. Though, I guess we'll wait and see if that stays with the final product.

I feel like I could talk more about the issues I have with the clips, but I'm too tired to. It's just all the same emotional beats, same drama, with nothing new or interesting taking place. The plot is just getting worse and the comedy is also going down the drain. I'll keep watching for critique and to see how stupid it will get, but I'm not expecting it to get any better.
 
Honestly I don't know what the rest of the episodes are, but I'd be fine with this drama if the rest of the episodes aren't just the Stolas show. Like it honestly feels like this show is more about him than anyone else.

I hope I'm proven wrong, and I hope this doesn't happen with Hazbin where some character who should be a side character ends up being the main character. As for the exorcists, they're dialogue is a bit cringe, would honestly prefer for them to be more silent unless Adam is some wannabe newbie but I will hold my tongue until those episodes actually air
 
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