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Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?

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Some Chadam ones for a test run, I have a scene pack.
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The Saltening said:
i didnt even think to use a scenepack. I literally go hunting through videos myself lol

also webp loops have much better quality at much lower file sizes. I quit using gifs because my files were too big to use as banners/pfps
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Yeah we (my friend and I) have a shit ton of them for edits, So we do that. Sometimes we download it from the HHG site but we like scenepacks.
 
InJailOutSoon said:
Oh I didn't realize angel Dust was back there. I guess he is still abusing drugs.
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that nigga aint ever gon change (he will somehow)

i have a specific beef with angel dust. despite all of his fuckin sins the fact the big reveal was he was a murderer is crazy. I know the gay thing cant be the reason because "progress" but like... drug abuse? why not that?

Why is everyone in hell just a murderer so far? is that just the safe sin that wont offend people?
 
The Saltening said:
i have a specific beef with angel dust. despite all of his fuckin sins the fact the big reveal was he was a murderer is crazy. I know the gay thing cant be the reason because "progress" but like... drug abuse? why not that?
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Lol, all sinners default sin is murder, no exceptions.
 
Having Angel be a faggot that overdosed on poppers in a club bathroom would have been more interesting than the murder. At least it'd fit the reason he became a weird hypersexual freak in the afterlife
 
The One Who Sneeds said:
Having Angel be a faggot that overdosed on poppers in a club bathroom would have been more interesting than the murder. At least it'd fit the reason he became a weird hypersexual freak in the afterlife
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angel dust was a pill popping prostitute.

husk could have swindled people out of their money/alcoholic

like there is so much more here that could work and tackle other subjects. The whole murder thing is just so lame.
 
The Saltening said:
that nigga aint ever gon change (he will somehow)

i have a specific beef with angel dust. despite all of his fuckin sins the fact the big reveal was he was a murderer is crazy. I know the gay thing cant be the reason because "progress" but like... drug abuse? why not that?

Why is everyone in hell just a murderer so far? is that just the safe sin that wont offend people?
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Not to agree or disagree, but making his sin murder means he either literally can't be redeemed, or, Viv has to come up with a retarded "solution" to redeeming murder as a sin.

So his arc going forward is that he likely knows he cannot go to heaven, which does set up a new arc for him beyond just trying to be a good boy.

I'm sure Viv will try to make up some retarded way his sin can be forgiven though.
 
The Saltening said:
angel dust was a pill popping prostitute.

husk could have swindled people out of their money/alcoholic

like there is so much more here that could work and tackle other subjects. The whole murder thing is just so lame.
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I mean, he was in the mafia, you could've had him do several murders or killings (even if the victims were other criminals), while abusing drugs on the side to cope. You'd basically have a multi-faceted sinful life that was destructive to himself and others. But Viv apparently wants to keep it simple.
 
Nimbat Out Of Hell said:
Not to agree or disagree, but making his sin murder means he either literally can't be redeemed, or, Viv has to come up with a retarded "solution" to redeeming murder as a sin.

So his arc going forward is that he likely knows he cannot go to heaven, which does set up a new arc for him beyond just trying to be a good boy.

I'm sure Viv will try to make up some retarded way his sin can be forgiven though.
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murder being an unforgivable sin doesnt make a whole lot of sense in and of itself considering that King David was a murderer in the bible and is currently a saint. But thats probably putting too much thought into this silly little show.
make_it_so said:
I mean, he was in the mafia, you could've had him do several murders or killings (even if the victims were other criminals), while abusing drugs on the side to cope. You'd basically have a multi-faceted sinful life that was destructive to himself and others. But Viv apparently wants to keep it simple.
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tons of good content there they could work with.

im convinced that murder was picked just because its safe and the majority of people agree its bad. I am pretty sure like sacrilege and blasphemy are "worse" than murder but her target audience wouldnt care about that.

idk the big reveal just felt so... flat...
 
The Saltening said:
angel dust was a pill popping prostitute.

husk could have swindled people out of their money/alcoholic

like there is so much more here that could work and tackle other subjects. The whole murder thing is just so lame.
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Even then, you could at least do different types of murder:
>war criminal who executed POWs, surrendering enemy soldiers or civilians
>actual terrorist who killed an entire group of innocent people in a bomb or gas attack
>medieval executioner who killed people as his day to day job
>or even accidental murder, like a guy who ran somebody over and was too scared to go to the police, so he just hid the body and bailed
But no, we get two basic-bitch serial killers – bargain bin Hannibal Lecter (Alastor), and gay Patrick Bateman (Vox) – then whatever the fuck Angel's deal is.
 
Kid Named Rocket said:
then whatever the fuck Angel's deal is.
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Unless they further retcon shit IIRC he was just mafia guy that was into drugs then died and continued to do drugs in hell and became gay 4 pay or some shit. All I know is he's animated a lot stiffer and tranny coomer-y in the amazon show despite the amazon show also making him into rape contract victim man. I miss when he was spindly ropey rubber hose multi limb joe pesci.
 
The One Who Sneeds said:
I think my brain would shut off after hearing "I'm the Führer" and I'd die in a sixty-car pile-up. I genuinely can't comprehend seeing any of this shit outside of the Internet or Hot Topic
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I’m still not over how dumb that line was. I liked Vox Populi and Vox Dei. They’re good bits of musical theatre. I like how Vox reused Lucifer’s melody because it conforms to his use of stock phrases (“strike while the iron’s hot”, “where there’s a will there’s a way”). These are very superficial replications, which fits Vox being a television man. He can be charming, but his references and performances are unoriginal. Makes sense to me.

But the führer line was so dumb and awkward. It made lines like “make Hell great again” and “Manifest destiny / long as you invest in me” become groan-worthy in hindsight. Yeah, Viv, we get it, orange man is hitlerally litler. Thanks. I’m sure comparing a reality television star turned president to a guy who shit on his niece’s chest and slaughtered 2/3s of European Jewry will totally age well. It totally won’t become representative of Trump Derangement Syndrome and American myopia.

Like, part of why Viv’s version of Hell works is how sanitized it is. Several people in the thread have already pointed out how the “Angel is a murderer” reveal was underwhelming. We all know that Angel will be proven innocent, he killed his dad to save his boyfriend or some shit, and all will be well. Angel, a sappy little drug addict with daddy issues, is redeemable. Hitler and Stalin are not. That’s why people love drawing Charlie or Steven Universe with such despots - it pushes the redemption narrative to absurd extremes. The story works when Hell is just L.A. and Charlie is trying to help people detached from real like crime and controversy. Once that line is crossed, it’s all kinds of awkward. “It starts with sorry” doesn’t work with Ted Bundy, and lines about being the fürher flounder for the same reason.
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What do you guys think Hitler’s fursona would be?

It also doesn’t make sense in universe.. Like, Vox died in the 50s, right? He was a famous broadcaster? That’s probably why so many sinners in Hell like Vox, right? Katie Killjoy could have heard about Vox in school and been astounded to meet the Vincent Whitman in Hell. I’m not sure if anyone told Viv, but closeted homosexual Americans were not big fans of Hitler. Even if Vox admired Hitler the way people admire Napoleon, he wouldn’t say such a thing. It would be career suicide.
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Note that it says “anyone who died post 1939”, and they’re largely correct.

“Okay, but this is Hell and it’s not the 50s anymore.” So? How many sinners in Hell are canonically American or Hispanic? None of these people have historically been fans of Big H. There are probably people in Hell who were either killed during WW2 or grew up in a place where the Axis was thoroughly demonized (ex. American public school).

Basically, it’s this scene from RedLetterMedia’s Star Wars review:
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It’s like being in a casual conversation with someone that you’ve known, and then they start talking about how they’re currently reading Mein Kampf. You might just raise an eyebrow and be like, “Wait. What did you just say… about Mein Kampf?”
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It totally ruins the song - for me, at least. Something like “furor”, “fever”, “fervour” would have worked way better. I have no clue how Borle didn’t cringe his way into non-existence when he saw that line in the sheet music.

Finally… Viv got her start on YouTube. She is plugged into the fandom. Before Vox went all Nuremberg on us, parodies like this existed:
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People had already been making Vox = Hitler and Alastor = Stalin jokes before the season came out. So she knew about this meme and decided to include that line anyway? Guess she’s b-b-b-b-based after all.

Nimbat Out Of Hell said:
The "official" lyrics are "furor"
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I wanted to “well ackshully” you back, but when I checked the sing along video on YouTube…
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Which confused me because I swear I saw a lyric video where the word was censored. Censoring would, of course, prove it was führer and not furor. So I decided to check the longer sing along videos and… Vox Dei wasn’t there. Probably because they don’t want people singing along to that lyric. So I checked Genius and…
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Apparently Sam Haft, the lyricist, says that Amazon Prime fucked the subtitles up. He also confirmed that, while you’re right and the lyric is furor, he deliberately invoked Hitler’s title. Which, you know, cringe.
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So well played, well actually. You got me. Now can someone do a Null AI cover of Vox Dei, please?

Dr. Arinsu said:
Cause I am the faggot
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‘CAUSE I’M THE FAGGOT
I’M THE FLAME
I’M THE AUTHOR OF WHEN YOUR FATHER CAME
I’M THE BOTTOM
CUM’S THE FLOOD
I AM THE NIGHTMARE YOU MADE WITH INFECTED BLOOD
SO COWER AND HIDE
FIND A WIFE YOU CAN CLING TO
AND SAY YOUR GOODBYES
TO YOUR LIVES
TO YOUR T-CELLS!
 
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