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this figure is way cooler than the youtooz. but its only available on like gundam sites? idk its not on any sites i normally buy stuff. I also dont know if pre-orders are even still available. I would love to have this tho.
Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread
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this figure is way cooler than the youtooz. but its only available on like gundam sites? idk its not on any sites i normally buy stuff. I also dont know if pre-orders are even still available. I would love to have this tho.
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My wild guess is that the crossovers will mainly be relegated to specials, at least until maybe the final season of Hazbin, imagine them trying to make the Helluva cast relevant in standard Hazbin episodes where the cast is already cripplingly bloated. As for when, I'd make another guess and say early 2027, for reference I think Viv said somewhere that Helluva S3 will start sometime in spring next year, and with Hazbin S3 being roughly in summer 2027, the first crossover episode could be used to drum up early hype for its release. Amazon did this with Invincible, S2 started over 2 1/2 years after S1 finished, and they had a special episode air a few months beforehand to get the train rolling again.
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Quite a bit was changed for the Amazon Prime version.
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That's my understanding, yeah. There was a proto-Blitzo in the HH pilot:
IIRC Viv said that Blitzo and Moxxie were meant to be comic relief gag characters that got cut when they decided to take HH in a more serious tone, but she liked the pair so much that she wanted them to still have content... and so there's HB.
I don't think the crossover is going to be as significant as people think. As I mentioned in a previous post earlier, Viv claims that all of HB and HH is already written, they just have to animate it. I have a feeling it is going to be something relatively minor, like one of the sins appearing in HH or maybe Lucifer actually showing up if we see Satan's courthouse again. They've already teased that this season, with the stack of cash from Mammon and the Belphegor plushy, both of which were in Lucifer's hotel room.
Huh, interesting. I knew about "cunt" being uncensored on Amazon because you can't say that on YouTube, but the rest I had no idea. A lot of these are really oddly specific changes.
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this nameless background character deserves to be more than what she is.
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Bold of you to assume that's a "she"
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shush. dont ruin this for me.
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If Vox is Chris Chan than who would be his blue spike? And what would he have shoved up his ass
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I rarely notice pacing. I’ve consumed media that is notorious in this respect and been oblivious to the problem. Nevertheless, I noticed bad pacing in this season of Hazbin. I think the best example is the first episode (New Pentious) where the paparazzi show up at the hotel and Charlie flubs horribly. There’s three separate scenes of this. Each time, there’s a squat dinosaur interviewer who yells about murdering his wife.
I’m not sure if they spaced these scenes out specifically to apply the rule-of-threes to that joke, or if the jokes were a post-hoc attempt to fix the writing. Either way, the joke falls flat, so it’s a slog to get through after the first time around. They would have been better off having one scene with the paparazzi, cutting the dinosaur joke, or reducing the dinosaur joke to a background gag. Like, the guy murders his wife and we see Vox’s news station blaming it on Charlie.
I want to elaborate on why I find the dinosaur joke lame. First, nothing really changes. The rule-of-three is applicable because it’s a joke that has three variations in a sequence, but that’s about it. It’s three variations of the same joke (“haha I hate my wife”) rather than a funny escalation of the starting premise. There’s never a twist where we discover he has no wife, his wife kills him, that his wife is actually a wonderful lady, or any other wacky alternative. Just three “old ball and chain” jokes played totally straight in [gasp] the current year?!
Which, in the context of Viv’s other work, just comes off as boring. Like, okay, Viv, we get it. Your tranny coworkers hate women, so women bad. I get that targeting women is gauché nowadays so you specifically whine about white women. Okay, Viv. Thanks. We get it. Please shut the fuck up now.
And just to emphasize how often Viv goes “lol women”, here’s a list off the top of my head:
- Katie Killjoy was played by a woman in the pilot but was replaced by Brandon Rogers doing an impersonation of a woman. He deliberately makes her as loathsome as possible.
- Katie is shown to be hot for Vox in this season, and awkwardly hits on him several times. He rejects her coldly because “ew gross vaginas ew”.
- The scene in Helluva Boss where Blitz is in the doctor’s office with a mom and her son. The mom has a fish-version of the “karen” haircut and is belligerent and hypocritical.
- In the same scene, Blitz gets mad at a receptionist and calls her a “tittyhaver”. Unlike the fish-karen, the receptionist was completely polite. Again, he calls her a “tittyhaver” because she’s slow at her job. And because Mick Ignis called dibs on “biohole”.
- Stella.
- The ongoing background gag about a television show called “Yeah, I Fucked Your Mom, So What?” or something similar.
- What J just said regarding the little dinosaur man and his wife.
- Abel screams, “bitch, fall back” at Lute in the finale and it’s played as this triumphant moment for him. It concludes with Lute bowing and the camera looking down on her.
I’m okay with The Care Bears ending, if, by that, you mean everyone using the Care Bear stare on Vox’s weapon.
To me, that makes sense and fits with everything we’ve seen before. It’s a magical, musical world. Of course they can shoot spirit beams from their hands through the power of singing. Vox screaming “what the fuck is happening” made me laugh because it is absurd when he’s not the one leading the sing-a-long. It’s like in Venture Bros. where Brock and Doc predict the melee on Spider Skull Island - it’s so stupid when you’re not in the middle of it. That made me laugh and it was, in my humble opinion, quite good.
What I disliked was that nobody died or was seriously hurt. So if that’s what you mean by “Care Bears ending”, then, yeah, totally. While watching the last half of the season, I assumed that Vox’s weapon would deplete Lucifer’s power. I mean, why not? It’s clearly sucking huge amounts of “angelic power” out of him to power its attacks. It causes Lucifer to become disoriented, so why is it not hurting him more? I was shocked that Lucifer was unharmed. He wasn’t even in pain.
Vox said his plan would make Charlie “kill herself”, and obviously Angel was part of that, but I assumed Lu would be, too. They both get fucked with, one after another, immediately following this Vox quote. But the show didn’t even do a little fake-out where Lucifer gets hurt! Even though there’s a subplot about him being rescued by Vaggie! That would up the stakes for Charlie, whose last conversation with her father was an argument, and put pressure on her belief in redemption. But nah, fuck the stakes and fuck character moments, Lu’s fine. His limbs just went numb. Don’t worry, audience. Wow. How exciting.
And Lucifer’s just the start. Vox doesn’t die - he gets his ass kicked. None of the main cast get hurt - with the exception of Angel. Of course, Angel’s life is not at stake- the issue is whether Angel will fall into a pit of learned helplessness or if he’ll resist Valentino’s control. When her wing got clipped by the Lilith Laser, I thought maybe Emily would die. Nope. Emily’s fine. She didn’t bleed much, and her wing is painlessly replaced off-screen. Thanks, Viv, very cool.
Emily dying… now that would be exciting. It would be a real punishment for Sera’s decision to approve the exterminations. It would also challenge her commitment to peace by providing Lute with a nasty way to rile her up. It could make Lute a foil to Saint Pentious, like an angelic Wormtongue. Right now, Sera sees Lute as a hot-headed vulgar retard and rarely listens to her. Emily dying could change that and lend credence to Lute’s position. It could help Sera empathize with Hell’s distress. Emily doesn’t even need to die - she could be seriously injured by the laser and still impact Sera’s emotions.
I wouldn’t mind it if it didn’t stink of politics. It’s like Vox and his “manifest destiny”, “make [Hell] great again” lines… there’s clever, subtle stuff happening, but then you’re hit with ham-fisted TDS symptoms. Likewise, the name change stuff seemed like Viv creating a trans-positive script for her audience. “See, these true and honest women change their names, too! Women of trans experience aren’t different at all!” As if a woman changing her name from “vagina” is comparable to Anthony Reed stealing the name of a child he is sexually obsessed with.
And I say this as someone who thinks this subplot is interesting and would be best served by Vaggie accepting her name. I think it would conform to the professed themes of the show if some character pushed back on Vaggie’s name change idea. Husk gets annoyed at how long Vaggie is taking to pick a new name, but he never mocks the idea of name changes in of themselves. No one challenges Vaggie’s erasure of her past through the act of renaming herself. No one says anything in conjunction with the story’s themes of making peace with the past.
Which sucks, because the opposite response is showcased beautifully. Charlie’s obsequiousness regarding the matter is extremely in character, and I liked it a lot. It felt real. But there was never a juxtaposing moment where someone (like Angel or Cherri) says to Vaggie that she’s here because she’s a fallen angel. And she’s a fallen angel because her patriarch named her after a body part. He’s dumb, that choice is proof, and vindicates her decision to leave. But, nah, God fucking forbid someone challenge the idea of name changes. You start doing that, then you might start questioning incessantly changing your pronouns, hair colour, and piercings.
Honestly, it’s best if Vaggie accepts her name or chooses something like “Vagatha” for Pentious. I think the former is canon now, and if that’s true, good. I’m just annoyed by (what I assume to be) political motives detracting from the character significance of Vaggie accepting her name. Pentious got to Heaven by doing the opposite of what got him into Hell - choosing his life over those of others. Engagement with the past and the individual character of one’s redemption is what (I think) the show is going for. They had a chance to strengthen that theme but refused to because tranny neuroticism regarding name changes.
I hate Husk so much. His design feels like a joke and invokes Poe’s Law. The fact that they got Keith David also annoys me - I liked him as Goliath, but now he seems like animation’s default “cool black guy”. I sigh audibly whenever he appears in Rick and Morty. It’s like hearing Vic Mignanana playing ten different roles in the same show and they all sound like Ed Elric. They’re both good at their jobs, but you get exhausted with the type casting. It seems so condescending, transparent, and manipulative. Husk could be the best written character in all of adult animation and I wouldn’t be able to enjoy him because of his design and voice.
And his character is very hit-or-miss. I genuinely like his fondness for Angel. I dislike the way their relationship is framed as romantic and would prefer something platonic, but I can appreciate a well-written moment for a “ship” I dislike. The scene after Angel’s song where Husk’s eyes fall on Angel’s chest fluff is subtle and I liked it. I like how he’s a tough guy but he panics when Alastor gets mad at him in season 1. I thought Love in a Bottle was a bit cringe, but David sells those last few lyrics. “Don’t need nothing not from a bottle” or whatever… it was effective. His fight scene with the Vees was great.
With that said, Husk feels like a child’s version of an alcoholic or gambler. Love in a Bottle definitely seems like a sober person’s take on addiction. It’s very cheesy, corny, kitschy… however you wanna put it. For example, Husk lists a bunch of types of booze, but someone who is really hooked on the sauce will do shit like drink mouthwash. It just feels way too on the nose and makes his whole character seem silly.
Lilith is the bad guy. I want to believe she sold out the sinners in exchange for her own position in Heaven.
Of course you could trust Vox with your True and Honest Boyfriend-Free Girl. Dude’s gay as hell, so what would he even do with her? Paint her nails? Braid her hair? He can go right the fuck ahead, it’s not gonna bother me.
Yes. And Charlie is Null because he tried to help Chris get his life on track. And Katie Killjoy and Tom are Ralph and Pantsu, respectively, since they reported on CWC’s arrest. That’s a comparison that surprised me, because I figured if Ralph was gonna be anyone in the Hellaverse, it would be Blitzo. Horse-fucking addicts and all that.
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Indeed. Name changes have been fucking ruined by trannies. I used to even find them fun as a type of novelty, but now they're intrinsically tied to "HOW DARE YOU DEADNAME ME," and they've lost all their luster.
Something I'll give this season credit for is that it really didn't portray Heaven as bad as most "subversive" modern series commenting on theology do. Emily and the Speaker are made of wholesome, Sera is quick to learn from her mistakes, and really only Lute and Adam are portrayed as being the sole exceptions (sans the "Chadam" meme).
Sure, you're bound to have a bunch of leftist retards who will always see Heaven as "boring," like I mentioned previously, because they find being slaves to their vices to be the height of enlightenment, but the series itself is managing to avoid that. Even Pentious is shown slowly growing to like Heaven as the season progresses, what with making cookies with Emily, playing with the Heavenly Egg Bois, and befriending Sera.
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Nifty? For some reason Nifty is shown to beef with Val but Vox also seems to target her as well.. "You could never go to Dantes inferno" scene. Plus it would be fitting for her character.
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Agreed, granted I'm not sure I have faith that this will hold true as time goes on, but c'est la vie.
"If we consider the unblushing promises of reward and the staggering nature of the rewards promised in the Gospels, it would seem that Our Lord finds our desires not too strong, but too weak. We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased."
-The Weight of Glory, CS Lewis
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Possibly overthinking the name change thing. I'd probably change my name if it was "Vagina".
I prefer not to be haunted by ambiguous tranny schemes so it's sufficient to me that she was fine living with it since she could lie about it having a hard G until Adam outed her.
Actually it's kinda weird she kept it in the first place since she was living incognito in enemy territory.
The one that really fucking bugs me is that weapons demon (Carmelia?) because she's so on the line it's irritating as hell. Every time she's on screen I have to have an internal debate about whether I hate her or not. It'd be much better if everybody just sucked.
I prefer not to be haunted by ambiguous tranny schemes so it's sufficient to me that she was fine living with it since she could lie about it having a hard G until Adam outed her.
Actually it's kinda weird she kept it in the first place since she was living incognito in enemy territory.
At least it's objectively bad-bad. I don't think it's ironic because while the show is full of shit that looks like it was drawn by and would only be considered cool by a 14-year-old on tumblr, they aren't all consistently on that side of the line.
The one that really fucking bugs me is that weapons demon (Carmelia?) because she's so on the line it's irritating as hell. Every time she's on screen I have to have an internal debate about whether I hate her or not. It'd be much better if everybody just sucked.
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That would be a hilarious parody of Vox. And that would wreck his reputation fast.
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Also it could be his hat that he shoves in his ass all the while holding something of his hostage in exchange for getting something of alostar’s
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Agreed. I get the name change for Vaggie. She was named by someone she hates and that name in particular was a crude joke because "lol vaginas are great". I wouldn't want that to be my name either. I really don't think it was meant to be a trans allegory; for all the gay shit in these two shows, there's an extreme lack (thankfully) of tranny stuff. Sallie Mae is the only openly trans character and is a very, very minor role other than one of the HB shorts.
What I don't get is why she ended up going with Vaggi. They (the writers) did that exact same plot point with Blitzo in HB. Traumatic event -> name change -> drop the last letter of name to try and distance from what happened. Just odd that they did it twice. Unless that was intentional? idk. I don't see why it would be.
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Dude, Viv has stated that Lilith is one of her favorites and an icon in the Hellaverse. She also stated that she does love Charlie and Lucifer.
Plus, in a recent interview, Viv confirmed that Lute and Alastor (to a degree) were gonna be villains in season 3.
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That makes me wonder if part of the reason Helluva S2 took such a drastic tone shift is that Hazbin took so long to come out that Viv just really wanted to release some dramatic stuff.
Really if the writers are going to be so lazy with Vaggie's name change, they should have just had her drop the V, basically the same name but she isn't named after vaginas anymore, as Husk says maybe she start with dropping the 'Vag' part.
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Maybe because they're hypothetically trying to make a point of avoiding annoying the audience too much with tranny shit?
It's not a major plot point or anything; at the time it mostly just seemed like a miscellaneous slice-of-life thing inserted for the characters to talk about while they're standing around in the hotel to me. If it was actually a big deal she'd have to have fucking sung about it, right? But it does make sense for her to have some kind of ostensible fallout from the S1 ending for a season or so.
Having her toss the idea around and then ultimately settle on a token non-change that doesn't fuck up their merch line branding or whatever achieves both, but without any likelihood of generating annoying fanbase faggotry with people getting mad on twitter about a fictional character getting deadnamed, etc.
That's probably a good thing to keep in mind when discussing schroedinger's troonshit in general. Would them not doing the thing people are criticising be less or more irritating? If it's 'more' maybe just have sympathy for the hypothetical tard wranglers and try not to worry about it.