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Drugs and sex are cool.
Viv is just a child and doesn't want to confront the reality of what a person would be like if that's all their personality was.
Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread
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Viv is just a child and doesn't want to confront the reality of what a person would be like if that's all their personality was.
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The skinny appearance with the baddie aesthetics of HH and Helluva Boss coupled with the drugs and sex funny and cool reminds me of the heroin chic fad.
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I fucking hate that specific line in particular. Vivzie REALLY wanted to completely exonerate Stolas of all blame by making him say out loud "we both know i never hurted you" but this ignores that Stolas disliked Stella before even meeting her, never loved her and CHEATED.
And with the new context that Stolas sucessfuly gaslighted blitzo into thinking he was crazy ("I never looked down on you!"), his words to Stella are extremely manipulative and gaslighty.
>We BOTH KNOW i didn't hurt you
Who the hell is Stolas to speak for Stella? He literally asks "Why are you still here?" as if he doesn't know her at all. He talks about how much only he suffered in this marriage and can't process the possibility of Stella being as unhappy. He brags about doing it to give Via a normal life but then says she's 17 and doesn't care anymore and traumatizes his daughter (father of the year).
I need to see Stolas unironically say "Come on Via, you know i was never negligent! You're crazy for believing your mother's lies!" Fuck it, make the man the ultimate gaslighter.
Again, vivzie demonizes Stella worse than a bash fanfic and accidentally makes Stolas have peak abuser writing.
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"That THING the Goetia family wanted..."
You "love your child deeply" and call her A THING? At this rate, if Viv decides not to be retarded and makes Stella actually treat Via decently, I'd say Stella is the better choice.
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My first contribution to the Adam/Lute art tax.
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Said the girl who hapilly sent her fans to harrass other animation creators, is vindictive as all fuck, nuked a fanship out of pure spite and also clearly never let goes of a grudge. Bottom line Viv, you're a hypocritical bitch.
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Helluva Boss would instantly become much more compelling if the entire show was Octavia retrospectively explaining how she became addicted to hard drugs and booze.
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Unironically though, the show could only be fixed by straight up retconning the entire 2nd season and much of the 1st as Stolas & Blitzo both being unreliable narrators and retroactively rewriting history to make themselves look better than they actually are
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You wouldn't even need to retcon it though. They're already morally bankrupt.
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At this point, this is the only way that the show can somehow go back on its tracks: Stolas is revealed to be a master manipulator that essentially gaslighted everyone as part of some autistic masterplan to gain control of hell, why and how? who gives a shit a just want my silly comedy back.
But in all seriousness, I think is just too late for that, this is the Stolitz show and pretty much the only real fans left watching are the shippers, you make them mad and the show just dies. Not like Viv would ever do anything against her precious homobird, it's funny how everyone expected Alastor to be the gary stu of the Hellaverse but even at that he was given shortcomings to his abilities, while Stolas (that was introduced with an antagonistic role mind you) has the entire universe conspiring to always give him the reason.
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The best way to retcon the second season to make it a comedy again is if the entirety of the second season (specifically the Stolas centric episodes like Episodes 1, 4, 8, and 9) were just a bunch of stuff he filmed before Hell Court that had some actress play Stella as cartoonishly evil as possible that Stolas filmed to have him be a victim and Satan took away Stolas' power with how reckless he was with letting Blitzo handle it, and getting the US government aware of Hell.
Episodes 11 and 12 could either be fantasy sequences when the reality is Stolas is just remembering it wrong.
Reasons I won't say Episode 2 is because Stolas is a prick in that episode, and the nice things said about Stolas are from Loona, someone who barely knows him. Episode 6 has Stolas in his only decent role at being basically a rules lawyer, and probably the one episode where he actually was tolerable throughout (helps he isn't a main character)
The other episodes have their issues, but the real core issue in this shows downfall comes down to making the owl man into a sad guy who did nothing wrong
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Happened to come across this.
Apparently Charlie was supposed to be ranked a bit higher but good lord, imagine having your main character nowhere near the top three. At least Valentino isn’t in there.
Apparently Charlie was supposed to be ranked a bit higher but good lord, imagine having your main character nowhere near the top three. At least Valentino isn’t in there.
Viv has reposted a video essay on whether Helluva Boss “has changed”. Can someone do the God’s work and TL;DR this for everyone? The pacing in this guy’s speech feels worse than pacing in Hazbin’s pilot and I’ve got dinner to cook. If Viv reposted it, then it clearly serves more value than any other essay/critique/rant featured in this thread.
Fuck Valentino and everyone else in that shit list, WHERE THE FUCK IS ADAM?!
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I saw the video, she said her top three would've been Charlie, Lucifer, and Alastor, but she spent most of the video lamenting her mistake which is really funny for someone who wants to be seen as hip and young, she doesn't know how to do those ranking things
LucasSomething
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I'll do my part
-He admits the assassination job took a backseat buuuut "the jobs became less significant already by first season"
Ah good old "it stopped being about them by season 1 so season 2 didnt change it" argument.
-"Realistically most of these jobs wouldn't last a full episode cause they're very good at their job and forcing them to make 20 minutes episodes solely on the job would create pacing issues"
What bullshit argument is this??? That's just writer skill issue
-"People complain the show was always about killing people but was it really? Or is it fully cooked now and we are seeing what it was meant to be? I argue the latter"
Bruh its only been 2 minutes and i hate this already
-"The pilot was just a proof of concept and isn't even canon anymore, They changed stuff from the pilot already so is it even close to the canon series? I think not. It's the foundation of the series but not what it's meant to be."
get to the point already reee
-"Lets recount every episode in the season"
this guy is really padding the video to go past 10 minutes
-"By episode 2 it's already not a job, it's about stolas! And this is episode 2!"
Ah this is going to be just "most episodes were not hitman focused anyway" again. People keep dying on this hill and it never lands because it's disingenuous and makes critics feel right.
-"If we look at all episodes in season 1, only 2 episodes were actually a hit job. Let that sink in! People who think this show should've been just deadpool with demons, that wouldnt work"
I never seen anyone use that phrase. You know viewers watched for the dark comedy and not faggot drama. Pls stop strawmanning me.
-"Then again y'all dont want to awknowledge how deadpool is pansexual just like y'all can't accept husk in hazbin hotel isn't straight but i won't get into that i wont get into thaaat..."
The irony of this guy doing the most forced subject change into yaoi shipping (exactly like helluva boss) is not lost on me.
-"Helluva boss has always been about blitz, about him forging friendships and finding love. It's his story. If you dont like the episodes i get it but you need to understand, you were not promised anything. You might have supported her patreon but in the end of the day it's vivzie's show"
If it's about blitz then why do i get Fizz's yaoi angst that has nothing to do with him? You're really telling people to just shut up and consoooome.
-"So yeah, helluva boss never changed, we just watched vivzie cook"
So yeah, helluva was never good, we just trusted vivzie too much.
I disagree hard with the man but other than the bizarre gay husk comment he presents himself rather well and politely so i can see why vivzie retweeted him, he could probably convince a non viewer or a normie.
Of course, vivzie literally tracking down any literal who on youtube with less than 1k views defending her show and sharing it on twitter makes her look desperate imo.
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One of my wake-up calls that told me the show was going bad was someone in a comment section in a Helluva Boss review video saying "WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THEY WENT TO THE HUMAN WORLD?" Now that the shorts are out, I'd like to add to that - WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME A MAIN EPISODE WAS CENTERED AROUND THEM ENTERING THE HUMAN WORLD?
People are saying "teh pilot ain't canon it's old news." No. A pilot is something that showcases a shows concept. What was the concept? Funny demons killing humans because angry sinners want the humans dead. Instead, we delved too deep into a conspiracy and drama in hell. If we were to follow the main concept, the conspiracy would be one on Earth.
* The dino and reptile demons in Greed? Those could be incorporated in muh rich people bad so they are reptile and snake conspiracy theories and they'd compete with I.M.P.
* Stolas being kidnapped? Since he's such a powerful Goetia, DHORKS should've been the one to have kidnapped him with the help of the CHERUBS, so CHERUBS gets the win because they tipped off the humans to beat the ass of the evil demon and they go back to based heaven. Millie and Moxxie have to retrieve him. Keep Blitzo looking after Loona at the doctor.
* DHORKS should have been recurring villains instead of that stupid Striker. Better yet, make Striker have that stupid idea of killing high-profile demons and his business fails because someone ends up killing him because there are too many competing assassins-for-hire and it's nothing new. Blitzo succeeds because there are already too many sinners in the pride ring and there are more people to kill and add to the list of clients because his business is broader.
* Again, WHY STOLAS? I'm convinced this was a roulette wheel pick. If Viv really wants to attract more history, mythology, wiccan, theology, and demonology nerds, she should have done more research. Maybe have I.M.P. start out with Stolas because they were still small and scared of the Goetia and had to choose someone more pacifistic. Through time, as they get messier and messier then Stolas gets kidnapped, they realize they have a large enough clientele and are confident enough having saved Stolas from demon and human assassins alike, so they can get a professional. That's where they burn bridges with Stolas, who cries like a faggot going ohhh noeesss Blitzyyyy noooo and Blitzo goes with Leraje instead, who I headcanon as someone who respects strong people who cause chaos as they climb up. While Leraje laughs and calling him dumb for all his messy work, Blitzo finally has someone willing to help him and the I.M.P. crew improve despite Leraje dissing him a lot because sometimes, it takes someone blunt to help with growth.
* To show that species/race ≠ status, skill, strength, have Loona become more social as time passes. She realizes the lack of human disguise is stupid, right? Since she has some skill in the dark arts, have her find a loophole in the magic to give everyone a human disguise without the crystals. She's now a team player. She's helping them actively. This adds to the list of employees, mostly Hellhounds and Imps looking for a good job.
* Blitzo competes with Moxxie's father. This should happen earlier in the series. Moxxie learns to grow a pair and decides the IMP company is his trusted circle and family now.
* Octavia, though a trust fund baby, grows balls and doesn't want to be like Stolas. She decides to support IMP with her inheritance and stipend and learns spells.
* Verosika is just a one-off adversary. It's just Blitzo being petty. That's all.
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Before they are eventually sentenced to death, to a firing squad? Yeah, I could see this happening!
LoL "Hates nazis", 'he' means normal people? Yeah, par on the course of fans of this show.
Yes, the Leraje idea is a good one, also gives a good show of "this is a show about bad people, remember?"
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I guess I should argue that the show was supposed to be a workplace comedy, kind of like The Office. And that was the focus of Season 1. The only times it didn't focus on IMP as a company was in Western Energy and Ozzie's.
You can say that Ozzie's was the turning point for the show shifting most of it's focus on Blitzø and his relationships. As season 2 continues, it becomes less about IMP and Blitzø's employee, and Stolas becomes more of a second protagonist.
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Speaking of Ozzie's, remember the prevalence of so many sexual jokes in Helluva Boss? It no longer works. Every place feels like the lust ring, that if you just added even more sexual jokes and imagery in Ozzie's, it no longer packs some punch because since the pilot, everything was fucksexdickhornypenisdrugspornography.
Cant Viv think of something funnier than sexual jokes? For an office comedy, if she wants sexual jokes and flashy show-offs of wealth, she should watch Wolf of Wall Street. Only that, it's loved by finance chuds and people like her will hate it because of the audience the way she hates her own audience because of shipping.
Like, I can see Blitzo acting like Belfort. The problem is, Blitzo and his office lack trust and teamwork. Belfort was playing, partying, and having fun with his office because they all trusted each other. Blitzo will have to fix that thing in him that causes the lack of trust.
Cant Viv think of something funnier than sexual jokes? For an office comedy, if she wants sexual jokes and flashy show-offs of wealth, she should watch Wolf of Wall Street. Only that, it's loved by finance chuds and people like her will hate it because of the audience the way she hates her own audience because of shipping.
Like, I can see Blitzo acting like Belfort. The problem is, Blitzo and his office lack trust and teamwork. Belfort was playing, partying, and having fun with his office because they all trusted each other. Blitzo will have to fix that thing in him that causes the lack of trust.
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It still was a workplace comedy and most of the first seasons episodes were things relating to their job in some way
Episodes 1, 3, 4, and 6 all were directly about the job.
Episode 2 was a Stolas episode but they were still hired by him to do something
Episode 5 featured a competing business in some but the theme of IMPs rising above their station with Blitzo doing his job is important.
Episode 7 and 8 were not about the assassins but its always fine to have some episodes not directly related to the premise as long as it isn't too much...which is the issue with Season 2
So like half the season was about the job, and including 2 and 5, more than half at least connected to the IMP business
Skill issue, like Smiling Friends as a show is formulaic, you could always change the formula, have higher risk clients, or put roadblocks to make it funny like hell that moment with the gay couple could become a whole episode where one of IMP is protecting a target while the others want to kill them. I'm sure a lot of people have potential ideas.
It was a workplace comedy, and what we see now wasn't even present that much in Season 1, Stolas despite his relationship was always a side character in season 1 and even the stuff that focused on their relationship was more on Blitzo, like Blitzo was the central protagonist while Season 2 shoves Stolas in equal spotlight
A pilot is supposed to be a foundation and set up expectations on what its supposed to be. Hazbin Hotel in contrast setup that the show was going to be focused on validating the existence of the hotel and be about the struggles of the characters within it, the show did deliver on it. Helluva Boss' pilot was setup as a wacky workplace comedy that had a monster of the week type format, and it completely nosedived on it in the second season.
It still has Stolas hiring the IMPS to be bodyguards, and this was a criticism of how it quickly is exploring the side characters.
This guys math is wrong, 3 episodes were literally about a hitjob, 1 had the consequences of one with DHORKs, and two other ones were about them being hired for another job and expanding on the theme of imps rising above their station.
Deadpool comics don't force most of the issues to be about his love live and Husk x Angel Dust didn't take most of the focus away in Hazbin Hotel (for now anyway)
No one is saying it isn't about Blitzo, but the episodes were more about Stolas than Blitzo, like we see more of Stolas' extended family and exploration with his personal life than Blitz's. Hell two episodes were about Fizz.
Vivziepop was asked to make a steak, she made a salad with steak bits on the side.