💼 Careercow Hayden Black - Untalented comedian with a string of failures including the infamous Gen Zed; suspended from Twitter

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

I took a look at the Manosphere tag in specific and it didn't seem as in depth as the threads you've created for more left leaning people. As for Kitlen, I met her in person without the veil of anonymity. I'm sure most of you would be pleasant to be around in person, you merely speak this way because here you can hide behind a screen name and an avatar.

Again, this is largely because of age. Younger people are more likely to possess the lack of self-awareness that makes them cows. They are also more likely to be liberal.
It's a matter of age, not politics.

 

[Nyx]

@JulieRei so it's clear from the trailer there's going to be a scene where Shona has to deal with some shitty family members who won't accept her transition. Does Gen Zed tackle any other issues relating to transpeople? Are they dealt with just like any other sitcom conflict or is it very apparent that the show centres around them?

I know you've mentioned you've disagreed with some of Hayden's marketing choices but you haven't answered the question about your personal opinion on the inclusion of Leela Alcorn. Don't blame you honestly, however if the series was finally to be released and you found that Hayden had added something you found incredibly distasteful in what would you do?

 

[MysteriousStranger]

I took a look at the Manosphere tag in specific and it didn't seem as in depth as the threads you've created for more left leaning people.

Honestly, I can't think of anything on the right as lolworthy as all the made-up snowflake genders and social justice posturing that's happening on the left. I guess the Bible Camp type people are as weird, but there don't seem to be so many of them and they aren't all over the internet with it so much.

As for Kitlen, I met her in person without the veil of anonymity. I'm sure most of you would be pleasant to be around in person, you merely speak this way because here you can hide behind a screen name and an avatar.

Well, of course. I assume most of us have good manners face-to-face - all but the most autistic of us, and they would try, poor dears. We'd be terrifyingly broken people if it were otherwise.

But that's the wonderful thing: because posters feel comfortable in anonymity, the internet allows us all to listen in on people's true and honest opinions. Without the polite social filters. You've made a generally good impression, so this news can't be all that hard to hear.

 

[littlebird]

Hey Julie, why does your website, aside from the social media link icons and "copyright 2013", look indistinguishable from a 90's Geocities homepage?

Honestly, I can't think of anything on the right as lolworthy as all the made-up snowflake genders and social justice posturing that's happening on the left. I guess the Bible Camp type people are as weird, but there don't seem to be so many of them and they aren't all over the internet with it so much.

Yeah, save for exceptional alt-right bloggers and manosphere types, conservative idiots don't broadcast their every thought and feeling across twitter/tumblr/instagram daily, so they aren't easy targets for forums like this. Leftist idiots, however, can't help but announce their anger or frustration to the general public for pity points.

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

I'm sure most of you would be pleasant to be around in person, you merely speak this way because here you can hide behind a screen name and an avatar.

Sorry, missed this the first time around. I appreciate the kind words, but I'm afraid it's not so.
Apparently, I'm quite the bastard in person.
I'd imagine most kiwis are lovely though. You should come chill with us in movie night or something sometime. We're a generally friendly bunch, and have driven very few people to suicide.

 

[AnOminous]

Again, this is largely because of age. Younger people are more likely to possess the lack of self-awareness that makes them cows. They are also more likely to be liberal.
It's a matter of age, not politics.

The older people who are super right wing lolcows are really a gas, though. Like Iconoclast. Or Bob McKim. As they say, there's no fool like an old fool. Of course, both of them are barely even capable of being on the Internet because of their astounding degree of stupidity.

I think a fair amount of the seeming bias might be these old loons are often actually outright incapable of even having enough of an Internet presence to provide entertainment, whereas the millennials who are providing much of the milk lately practically live on social media and have a shocking lack of not just self-awareness but of the persistence of the information they're blasting out into the world, and who are charmingly shocked when it's rubbed in their cherubic little fucking faces.

 

[UselessRubberKeyboard]

@JulieRei You appear to be labouring under the impression that we give a fuck about who you think we should be making threads on.

 

[Bulk Bogan]

Like others have already said, the more insane conservatives tend to button up when poked. They'll bitch to people they know in real life mostly, so at best we make next Thanksgiving hell for their poor grandkids. The goal here is to get giggles at the expense of others, so that's no good for us, since we don't see it, right? Liberals tend to have more of their life online, a wider social net that spans the world, and so when they sperg out when we make fun of them on our obscure webzone, we get to see it.

We're standing here telling you that we're not hypercons to a man, and have you ever met a hypercon that wasn't super proud about it? It's a community, we're not one person, other opinions are tolerated here.

 

[creamyfanta]

Again, this is largely because of age. Younger people are more likely to possess the lack of self-awareness that makes them cows. They are also more likely to be liberal.
It's a matter of age, not politics.

Republicans aren't usually too informed on how to do social media either lol

Plus they tend to be kinda boring, imo.

But chyah, we have everything. I mean, Tax man (who was a huge cow in his heyday) is a neo-nazi pony fucker who hates Jews and liberals.

 

[JulieRei]

Did Hayden at all help Snover out? From the sound of things, he had nothing to give. Now Hayden is back down to one animator (assuming Bradley). It's not hard to see how some of us can think Hayden is really scummy.

Now, can you ask yourself if I donated money to help Snover out of kindness, or to spite Hayden? I'll leave that interpretation up to you.

It's really good to see you answering questions forthright.

I honestly don't know if he helped her out, and regardless of the reason I'm glad you did. :-)

@JulieRei so it's clear from the trailer there's going to be a scene where Shona has to deal with some shitty family members who won't accept her transition. Does Gen Zed tackle any other issues relating to transpeople? Are they dealt with just like any other sitcom conflict or is it very apparent that the show centres around them?

I know you've mentioned you've disagreed with some of Hayden's marketing choices but you haven't answered the question about your personal opinion on the inclusion of Leela Alcorn. Don't blame you honestly, however if the series was finally to be released and you found that Hayden had added something you found incredibly distasteful in what would you do?

I never felt it centered on Trans issues anymore than her family situation is the reason she's in the terrible position she is. All 4 of them are in terrible positions for different reasons. Hers just happened to be that her family is unaccepting. That was my interpretation anyway.

As for Leelah, I've always felt it was important that she be mentioned because ending conversion therapy is a cause I believe deeply in. And again, maybe just because of the marketing, it appears more central than it did in the script. Either way, I would definitely draw a line at anyone outright trying to profit on her. I'd be against selling posters like that one UNLESS every single penny went to a charity like the Trans Lifeline.

Hey Julie, why does your website, aside from the social media link icons and "copyright 2013", look indistinguishable from a 90's Geocities homepage?

It seems fine to me. It's functional and really exists as nothing more than reference information and communication. I never intended it to be anything else and it worked so I figured why spend any money unnecessarily. The person who built it (who happens to be a SWTOR guildmate) did so primarily to make it easy to update since I know next to nothing about web design.

That being said, I did have a Geocities page looooooong ago when I did VHS fansub distribution. RIP The VCR.

 

[Adamska]

@JulieRei , what are some things you'd have done differently if you were the project manager of Gen Zed? Still curious since I and a few others did our own takes as well.

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

As for Leelah, I've always felt it was important that she be mentioned because ending conversion therapy is a cause I believe deeply in. And again, maybe just because of the marketing, it appears more central than it did in the script. Either way, I would definitely draw a line at anyone outright trying to profit on her. I'd be against selling posters like that one UNLESS every single penny went to a charity like the Trans Lifeline.

A noble sentiment, but is this not exactly what happened? The show was, from inception, intended as a commercial product. It was something created to be monetized. Does including Leelah, even in a promo piece, not cross a line? There's a solid argument to be made for it being an attempt to profit off a teenagers suicide by tying the project to the tragedy.
It was, at the very least, in incredibly poor taste, if not openly exploitative.

 

[JulieRei]

A noble sentiment, but is this not exactly what happened? The show was, from inception, intended as a commercial product. It was something created to be monetized. Does including Leelah, even in a promo piece, not cross a line? There's a solid argument to be made for it being an attempt to profit off a teenagers suicide by tying the project to the tragedy.
It was, at the very least, in incredibly poor taste, if not openly exploitative.

To me, just mentioning Leelah in a project that claims to evoke a sentiment toward social justice doesn't exactly qualify as monetizing a tragedy. Leelah is in fact important. Her story got the White House to recognize the need to ban conversion therapy nationwide for minors. That's no small thing. If physical products were made in her image to monetize on, I'd agree, just just the mentio n og her memory and the cause it elicits doesn't ring to me as monetization.

 

[Dr. Boe Jangles Esq.]

To me, just mentioning Leelah in a project that claims to evoke a sentiment toward social justice doesn't exactly qualify as monetizing a tragedy. Leelah is in fact important. Her story got the White House to recognize the need to ban conversion therapy nationwide for minors. That's no small thing. If physical products were made in her image to monetize on, I'd agree, just just the mentio n og her memory and the cause it elicits doesn't ring to me as monetization.

Ehh, it wasn't just mentioned though. It was depicted, front and center, in literally the only piece of media distributed by this project thus far.
I'm not denying the importance of Leelah's legacy. I'm questioning the taste of using her legacy to promote a commercial product, particularly one already under accusation of attempting to cash in on progressive sentiment.
To be clear, I'm not attacking you here. Much of this appear to be Hayden's work, with you largely being dragged in as a token to justify his attempts.
That said, it's still in atrocious taste.

 

[Count groudon]

To me, just mentioning Leelah in a project that claims to evoke a sentiment toward social justice doesn't exactly qualify as monetizing a tragedy. Leelah is in fact important. Her story got the White House to recognize the need to ban conversion therapy nationwide for minors. That's no small thing. If physical products were made in her image to monetize on, I'd agree, just just the mentio n og her memory and the cause it elicits doesn't ring to me as monetization.

So this is pretty dumb of me to say I guess, but to me the reason this is so offensive is because the only way she's "mentioned" on the show is by featuring her on a poster in the main character's room. So not only does it seem like somebody is making merchandise for a poor young kid dying, but that people are actually buying them and hanging them up for no other apparent reason than to say "this means I really support trans rights!" It just seems kind of fucked up to me.

 

[JulieRei]

So this is pretty dumb of me to say I guess, but to me the reason this is so offensive is because the only way she's "mentioned" on the show is by featuring her on a poster in the main character's room. So not only does it seem like somebody is making merchandise for a poor young kid dying, but that people are actually buying them and hanging them up for no other apparent reason than to say "this means I really support trans rights!" It just seems kind of fucked up to me.

So what you find offensive is the possibility that someone in a fictional story possibly could have monetized on her tragedy? Would it make you feel any better if I told you Shona made all the images in her vlog background herself because she felt they represent all the people and issues she speaks about?

And again, as I've said before, I wasn't thrilled with the focus of the trailer. Leelah's mention wasn't as prominent in the script as it was represented in the trailer.

 

[MMX]

So what you find offensive is the possibility that someone in a fictional story possibly could have monetized on her tragedy? Would it make you feel any better if I told you Shona made all the images in her vlog background herself because she felt they represent all the people and issues she speaks about?

If that's true then it's a valid point
If it's just something your saying just to defend your position then that's different.
Not that were ever going to know since the show is never going to air.

Then again if someone finds something offensive or exploitive then explaining to them why they shouldn't is doing Haydens job for him.

I don't wanna be a dick but if someone says "I think this is X or I find it Y" then that's a position of personal bias were a person is stating how something is to them whilst accepting how others may not see it that way and you kind of respect the persons opinion where as a statement like "This is exploitive or offensive" requires a rebuttal.

 

[Count groudon]

So what you find offensive is the possibility that someone in a fictional story possibly could have monetized on her tragedy? Would it make you feel any better if I told you Shona made all the images in her vlog background herself because she felt they represent all the people and issues she speaks about?

And again, as I've said before, I wasn't thrilled with the focus of the trailer. Leelah's mention wasn't as prominent in the script as it was represented in the trailer.

Well that's better, I still think hanging a picture of someone who recently died on your wall is a bit weird, but since it's done out of actual respect I guess it's all good. Another criticism about it was that people though Hayden only added in the poster in an attempt to get SJW brownie points, but I'm guessing that's not actually the case, right?

Also, did you have any influence in the character's designs? Because aside from Shona and the Asian girl, the designs aren't that great. I mean the blonde guy looks like some sort of weird deviantart nazi OC, and the the landlord and the one guy (I think his name is Cameron or something) straight up look like racist caricatures.

 

[MysteriousStranger]

Eh, I don't expect anyone to badmouth a former employer, no matter the truth of it, even if the gig was unpaid. Not to strangers on the internet, anyway. Certainly not in this shark tank.

 

[Collections Agent]

the show itself in a finalized form

Lol