Halo MCC/Infinite/general Griefing thread - Six months, two maps, no refunds

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What did you think of Infinite after the campaign showcase?

  • It looked good

  • Good, but they need to iron out some issues

  • Majorly apprehensive

  • It sucked donkey dick

  • I need to see more

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Abulas said:
If you want to use the "generic" and "iconic" arguments favored by low IQ grifting talking head YouTubers and redditors we'll end up spending the whole day pointing at everything shouting as such because in truth it's all been done before.

Now here's a personal opinion the HFY trope is ass which is eliminated with separate species. Humans being revealed as Forerunners and shattering the Covenant faith or humans being revealed only as inheritors of their legacy. It serves the same purpose narratively.

I could care less personally about Forerunner mystique. Even then pulling back the curtain for the sake of a damn good story is the only acceptable way to that kind of thing. And Greg Bear delivered. Three fantastic books. Some of my favorite fiction period.
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It doesn't matter that you have a hate for the Humans Fuck Yeah 'trope', 343 discarded years of lore and decided to build a kingdom off of retcons alone. It would be just as shitty if Bungie begun with hinting at the forerunners actually being an alien race, and then 343 decided "nope, they were humans" and just began showing the forerunners as people.
 
Toolbox said:
It doesn't matter that you have a hate for the Humans Fuck Yeah 'trope', 343 discarded years of lore and decided to build a kingdom off of retcons alone. It would be just as shitty if Bungie begun with hinting at the forerunners actually being an alien race, and then 343 decided "nope, they were humans" and just began showing the forerunners as people.
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Except it wasn't 343 it was Bungie during the Halo 3 era. And shitty lore being replaced by good lore and good stories, the Forerunner saga written by Greg Bear, is an acceptable outcome in my opinion.
 
Abulas said:
Except it wasn't 343 it was Bungie during the Halo 3 era. And shitty lore being replaced by good lore and good stories, the Forerunner saga written by Greg Bear, is an acceptable outcome in my opinion.
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>good lore
>anything by 343
Either you're taking the piss or you were thrown at a wall as a baby

I prefer my halo being grounded in some reality with mystery surrounding it, 40k, star wars, and many other sci fi franchises exist if i want a million pieces of lore that overexplain things in great detail
not to mention but the mystique of the forerunners and little being known about them fits well with halo's core theme of religious symbolism since that is something that's equally shrouded in mystery to many, which was of course all but thrown away by 343 because we can't have a game now with religious undertones in current day
it's what made halo unique and gave it it's identity, and it was pissed away to chase turbo nerd redditors
 
Dynamite Bean said:
>good lore
>anything by 343
Either you're taking the piss or you were thrown at a wall as a baby

I prefer my halo being grounded in some reality with mystery surrounding it, 40k, star wars, and many other sci fi franchises exist if i want a million pieces of lore that overexplain things in great detail
not to mention but the mystique of the forerunners and little being known about them fits well with halo's core theme of religious symbolism since that is something that's equally shrouded in mystery to many, which was of course all but thrown away by 343 because we can't have a game now with religious undertones in current day
it's what made halo unique and gave it it's identity, and it was pissed away to chase turbo nerd redditors
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This is literally a nonsense statement. If you're unwilling to engage then simply don't. Because the rest here is also just plainly false
 
Abulas said:
Except it wasn't 343 it was Bungie during the Halo 3 era.
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In Halo 3, both the Gravemind and 343 Guilty Spark outright state that humans are Forerunners and the games take precedent over any expanded universe nonsense that contradicts them.
 
Abulas said:
Says who? I don't even believe that was Bungie's own canon policy
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Dude is over here sucking off 343 and telling us we're wrong when he doesn't even know bungie has never cared too much for the outer story and lore beyond the games
It's one of the biggest reasons why Reach got a lot of shit, because of how far different it was from the fall of reach book

also to add another point, halo has always been more appealing to the casual dudebro gamer, not the lore fanatic that spend hours reading wikis, bungie knew this well which is why their stuff was simple and subtle with mystery, for those who were into that sort of thing it was there and you could use your imagination to fill in the gaps and theorize while the average person if they didn't care can easily digest it and make sense of everything with no detraction to the world or gameplay
compare this to 343 lore where with every fucking game you have to read a book and other outside material to know and give a shit about anything going on
 
Abulas said:
Except it wasn't 343 it was Bungie during the Halo 3 era. And shitty lore being replaced by good lore and good stories, the Forerunner saga written by Greg Bear, is an acceptable outcome in my opinion.
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Abulas said:
Says who? I don't even believe that was Bungie's own canon policy
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Maybe you should watch that "hour and a half long video essay made by some retard grifter on YouTube" before you keep saying even more retarded things
 
Abulas said:
Says who? I don't even believe that was Bungie's own canon policy
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Bungie's canon policy was that they didn't give a shit about anything that wasn't in the games. It's why they ignored most of Fall of Reach once they made Halo: Reach. The Halo expanded universe was entirely Microsoft's idea and was initially created as advertisements for the games.
 
Dynamite Bean said:
Dude is over here sucking off 343 and telling us we're wrong when he doesn't even know bungie has never cared too much for the outer story and lore beyond the games
It's one of the biggest reasons why Reach got a lot of shit, because of how far different it was from the fall of reach book

also to add another point, halo has always been more appealing to the casual dudebro gamer, not the lore fanatic that spend hours reading wikis, bungie knew this well which is why their stuff was simple and subtle with mystery, for those who were into that sort of thing it was there and you could use your imagination to fill in the gaps and theorize while the average person if they didn't care can easily digest it and make sense of everything with no detraction to the world or gameplay
compare this to 343 lore where with every fucking game you have to read a book and other outside material to know and give a shit about anything going on
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Actually I now that very well it's one of my own main contentions with Bungie but if you dont even know where the distinction between Forerunner and Human lore even comes from then why are you speaking so authoritativly on the subject?

And then this last bit is again false. If that's true then prove it. That's a prime riddit meme. You don't in fact have to read any of the expanded universe lore the understand any of the 343 games.

Soggy Floppa said:
Maybe you should watch that "hour and a half long video essay made by some retard grifter on YouTube" before you keep saying even more retarded things
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Are the sources I posted addressed in said video?
 
Abulas said:
you dont even know where the distinction between Forerunner and Human lore even comes from
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Not from any of the Bungie games, that's the point.
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There being any distinction at all is retarded 343 retcon bullshit.
 
Abulas said:
Except it wasn't 343 it was Bungie during the Halo 3 era. And shitty lore being replaced by good lore and good stories, the Forerunner saga written by Greg Bear, is an acceptable outcome in my opinion.
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Are you kidding me? 343's new lore and the Forerunner Saga proved the Covenant to be right. The humans are enemies of their gods, the Forerunners, and if the Forerunners lived during the Human-Covenant War, they'd be cheering the Covenant on as they glass one human world after another.

The main tragedy of the Human-Covenant War was that, to cover up the humans being Forerunners, the Covenant leadership lied to their people and told them that the humans were enemies of their gods, when in reality, the humans WERE their gods made flesh. The Covenant were killing their own gods because their leaders lied to them, fearing that if the truth came out, they'd be replaced by what their religion would consider living gods.

capitalBBustard said:
Not from any of the Bungie games, that's the point.
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There being any distinction at all is retarded 343 retcon bullshit.
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Like I said, the original Bungie lore made Forerunners and humans into the same species.

The House of the Forerunners, which the Covenant had kept and maintained for some time, was to be passed down to the Reclaimers, living descendants of the Forerunners, since the Forerunners decreed it, to the point where human touch activates Forerunner technology. 343 Guilty Spark even outright calls John-117 a Forerunner, killing any doubts on whether or not humans are Forerunners.

But after 343 Industries' retcons? Fuck, the Covenant were right about their gods hating mankind. The Forerunners hate mankind and would've happily blasted them back to the stone age. Hell, they even turned the humans into shit-flinging monkeys as a punishment. Or vaporized them and turned them into digital knights. The great tragedy of the Human Covenant War becomes a sick joke when you consider that if the Didact from Halo 4 awakened during the Human-Covenant War, he'd happily take his throne as the Covenant's living god, take charge of their war against mankind, and openly cheer for them every time they turn a human world into glass.
 
LORD IMPERATOR said:
The main tragedy of the Human-Covenant War was that, to cover up the humans being Forerunners, the Covenant leadership lied to their people and told them that the humans were enemies of their gods, when in reality, the humans WERE their gods made flesh. The Covenant were killing their own gods because their leaders lied to them, fearing that if the truth came out, they'd be replaced by what their religion would consider living gods.
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It also put some weight behind the Arbiter's character of someone coming to the truth of a brutal reality and asking real questions. With the obvious denial of such truths from others who benefit from the current status quo at the time like Tartarus and his Brutes did. Even if blindly continuing to follow that path would shortly kill them too.

"There are things about Halo that not even the hierarchs understand."

 
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Dewey Decimal said:
It also put some weight behind the Arbiter's character of someone coming to the truth of a brutal reality and asking real questions. With the obvious denial of such truths from others who benefit from the current status quo at the time like Tartarus and his Brutes did. Even if blindly continuing to follow that path would shortly kill them too.

"There are things about Halo that not even the hierarchs understand."

https://youtube.com/watch?v=GWCgU4GEBdM
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But if 343's lore retcons on the Forerunners is any indication, the hierarchs told the Arbiter the truth about humanity and the Forerunners. Which is the exact opposite of what the OG Halo games were trying to say.
 
Halo: flashpoint is a thing apparently.

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I don't understand the push for digital tabletop and digital card games over the last decade. People are more petty, antisocial, and cliquish than ever so GLHF finding anyone civil to play such games (we have the community watch section for good reason). The whole point of making a 3D game was to adapt a board game into a real time version like Mechwarrior. Not this ass backwards reddit nonsense.
 
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