Opinion Hadith and Apostasy - The part of the Muslim tradition usually cited in support of killing apostates has been gravely misunderstood.

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By Abdullah Saeed

In a previous article published in Public Discourse, I argue that there is no support for a death penalty for apostasy in the Quran, which is the most important source for Islamic norms and values. However, as hadith (traditions of the Prophet Muhammad) is considered the second most important source for Islam, an argument could be made that if hadith strongly supports the death penalty for apostasy, then this penalty should apply today.

In the classical legal texts, all surviving Islamic schools of law argue that the apostate should be put to death, despite the fact that some of the leading figures of early Islam argued that the death penalty should not be applied. In juristic literature, one finds claims of “consensus” among Muslims on the death penalty for apostasy. Naturally, the claimed “consensus” ignores the views of this “minority” that did not support the death penalty.

Before discussing the issue of hadith and apostasy, a number of observations should be noted. First, the Quran, the most important text of Islam, does not specify any worldly punishment for apostasy, let alone death. This is especially noteworthy considering that the Quran describes two episodes that bear on the issue of apostasy. The first of these concerns the Muslims in the Medinan period (622-632 CE) of Islam—the last ten years of Prophet Muhammad—who professed Islam outwardly, but attempted to destroy the community from within, using every opportunity to discredit the Prophet. For all practical purposes, from a Quranic point of view, these people should be considered “apostates.” The Quran also describes Muslims who rejected Islam and then returned to it, only to reject it for a second or even a third time for their former religions. The Quran does not suggest the death penalty in either of these cases, but specifies a severe punishment for the apostates, almost certainly in the life after death. This absence of the death penalty is understandable, as the Quran emphasises again and again that belief is essentially a matter between the individual and God.

Second, there is no evidence to indicate that the Prophet Muhammad himself ever imposed the death penalty on any apostate for a simple act of conversion from Islam. If such evidence had existed, it would have provided the necessary prophetic authority to back the death penalty. On the contrary, however, one hadith in the collection of Bukhari (one of the most important collections of hadith for Sunni Muslims) details a man who came to Medina and converted to Islam. Shortly after his arrival, this man wanted to return to his former religion and asked the Prophet for permission to do so. The Prophet let him go free, without imposing the death penalty or, indeed, any punishment.

The important question is, therefore, if there is no clear evidence either in the Quran or in the actual practice of the Prophet to support the death penalty, how did the classical Muslim jurists support their position that apostasy should be punished by death? The answer lies mainly in a few sayings (hadith) attributed to the Prophet. Such sayings, while considered “reliable,” do not appear to reach the level of certainty that is required from textual evidence to justify the penalty of taking one’s life. More importantly, these few sayings contradict a large number of Quranic texts that emphasize freedom of belief. Given that the Quran, as the most important source for Islam, emphasises freedom of belief and does not appear to support the death penalty, any contrary sayings attributed to the Prophet should be read with a high degree of caution.

Perhaps the most important saying attributed to the Prophet in this regard is “Whoever changes his religion, kill him.” This seems to explicitly permit or even command Muslims to kill anyone who changes his religion from Islam. Although this hadith is considered “reliable” (as it is found in the collection of Bukhari), there are concerns about taking it at face value.

Firstly, at least in its most well-known version, the hadith appears first to have surfaced decades after the death of the Prophet Muhammad, from Ibn Abbas, who was only around 12 years old when the Prophet died in 632. It is reported that Ibn Abbas mentioned this saying in the context of an event that occurred roughly 25 years after the death of the Prophet, when the caliph (ruler) Ali apparently ordered that certain rebellious heretics be burned. When news of their executions reached Ibn Abbas, he stated that burning anyone with fire was prohibited, but that he still would have had these people executed, on the grounds that the Prophet had once said, “Whoever changes his religion, kill him.”

It is strange that such an important message remained hidden for decades after the death of the Prophet. Ali, being a Muslim from his early childhood, one of the Muslims closest to the Prophet, and an advisor to the first three caliphs of Islam, should have known of such a penalty if it existed at the time of the Prophet, particularly since it involved taking a life, not a small matter.

Secondly, there are concerns about the hadith’s content: it is very brief and general. If one were to take this hadith literally, the punishment of death would apply even to those who wish to convert to Islam, or to those who want to convert, say, from Christianity to Judaism. Such an interpretation is obviously incomprehensible and highly problematic.

The majority of Muslim jurists, therefore, narrowed down the meaning of this hadith to a more specific one: that the convert to be killed is a Muslim who converts to another religion. Jurists have since limited this meaning further with a series of exceptions to the general rule. For example, religious hypocrites who outwardly profess Islam but are not really Muslims should not be killed; neither should minors or women (according to the Hanafi school of law). Likewise, anyone who professes Islam under duress and then returns to his former religion should not be killed. The question of interpretation, then, lingers.

Even if we consider this hadith and those with similar meanings to be historically reliable, such hadith have to be understood in their proper context. At the time of Prophet Muhammad, there was no “state” akin to modern-day states. Rather, a tribal system prevailed in much of Arabia. With the rise of Islam and its consolidation in Medina during the last 10 years of the Prophet’s life (622-632 CE), people from various tribes joined the supra-tribal community of Muslims. Given the hostility and the state of war that often existed between the Muslims and their opponents, converting from Islam generally took a person out of the Muslim community and placed them in that of their opponents. Conversion, or apostasy, was, then, not only a matter of renouncing faith, but also the rejection of membership of the community, which provided a person with security of life and property. Often, the only option for an apostate was to join the “enemy” and take up arms against the Muslim community.

Thus any reported sayings of the Prophet about the death penalty can be understood relatively easily, as communities had the right to kill their opponents in war, in line with the norms that existed then. In a modern state, however, the situation often is quite different. Membership (or, as we would call it, citizenship) does not generally depend on being part of a particular religious community; a clear distinction can be made between a person’s religious and political identities. In the multi-religious, pluralistic societies of today, it is normal for people to belong to different religions and still enjoy the fundamental rights of a citizen, except, of course, in a very few countries.

Based on this reading of the hadith discussed above, opponents of the death penalty argue that even if there was a death penalty in early Islam for apostasy, it was because, at that time, apostasy was equivalent to the crime of treason. Such an interpretation can be supported by other hadith. The second most important hadith used to support the death penalty for apostasy links apostasy with separating oneself from the community. The following hadith emphasizes this meaning:

The Prophet, peace be upon him, said: The blood of a Muslim who confesses that there is no god but Allah and that I am the messenger of Allah cannot be shed except in three cases: a life for life, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse, and the one who turns away from Islam and leaves the community.

This hadith has a number of different versions, each with slightly different wording. A number of these emphasise that the person who is referred to in the hadith is not just a simple apostate. According to another version, “A man who leaves Islam and engages in fighting against God and his Prophet shall be executed, crucified, or exiled.” This hadith, therefore, makes a very clear connection between apostasy and the crime of taking up arms and fighting against the community/state.

There is also other evidence to support this reading. Some prominent Muslim scholars make a connection between apostasy and the taking up of arms against the community. In the second most important Sunni hadith collection—that of Muslim ibn Hajjaj—one of the chapter titles is: “Ruling relating to those who take up arms against the community and apostates.” The Hanafi school of law argues that a female apostate should not be put to death, because a female apostate in those days would not usually take up arms to fight against the Muslim community/state.

A number of today’s top Muslim scholars (for example, Muhammad Hashim Kamli, Hasan al-Turabi, Rashid Ghannouch, and Taha Jabir al-Alwani) argue that there is no evidence in the actual practice of the Prophet to suggest that he put anyone to death simply because of his or her conversion from Islam. Any association of the death penalty with apostasy in sayings attributed to the Prophet should therefore be interpreted in light of the socio-political context of the time.

In the modern period, in which religious freedom has been guaranteed in major international human rights documents and is considered one of the most important rights of a human being, Muslims should emphasise the Quranic position on freedom of belief; that is, there is no coercion in matters of faith and belief. Any hadith that exist on this issue should be interpreted (or reinterpreted) in light of the guidance of the Quran, which has supremacy over all other forms of evidence in Islamic norms and values.
 
Taqiyya in action! Muzzies don't really need apologies at all. They're very honest about subverting your culture and strongly encouraging you to convert to Islam.
 
Don't Take liberal apologists seriously when they deny and distort classical Islam rulings to lie to people.

Killing apostates is legislated in Islam and is only done by the authorities in the country. In practice its really rare to do, I think the number of executions for apostates in KSA can't be over 50 in the past decade. Most people who apostate just keep it to themselves or leave for the west, it's only the most adamant of them that get executes.

But yeah, most of these liberal Muslims that write these apologetics will just find a ruling they don't like such as stoning the adulterer and try to find the most obscure opinion that goes against centuries of consensus. It's all deceit and deception from that strand.
 
Either the author is lying or they’re in for a rude awakening.
I think he's correct based on scholarship, but he's outnumbered by people who don't care.


But yeah, most of these liberal Muslims that write these apologetics will just find a ruling they don't like such as stoning the adulterer and try to find the most obscure opinion that goes against centuries of consensus. It's all deceit and deception from that strand.
I think a scholar can be right about the purest form of his religion without it being used to justify incorrectly importing billions of Muslims from Muslim countries.

Like, I agree, I don't want a single Muslim brought to these shores. But at the same time, I think the author is correct that what was basically jewish monotheism was corrupted immediately to fit the needs of third world retards.
 
Don't Take liberal apologists seriously when they deny and distort classical Islam rulings to lie to people.

Killing apostates is legislated in Islam and is only done by the authorities in the country. In practice its really rare to do, I think the number of executions for apostates in KSA can't be over 50 in the past decade. Most people who apostate just keep it to themselves or leave for the west, it's only the most adamant of them that get executes.

But yeah, most of these liberal Muslims that write these apologetics will just find a ruling they don't like such as stoning the adulterer and try to find the most obscure opinion that goes against centuries of consensus. It's all deceit and deception from that strand.
The Holy Quran is the absolute INCONTROVERTIBLE word of God, so ANYTHING permitted or commanded in the Quran is A OK or must be done, full stop.

The Quran says to kill gays and apostates so a rightly guided Caliphate MUST do these things.
 
The author has presumably read the Quran and he asserts it doesn't say to kill apostates, that it's only part of hadiths with dubious accuracy.

ChatGPT fact check confirms the Quran does not say that.

Why do you love gay people so much?
PLEASE report to a local tall building or cliffside to meet with your local Virtue Officer for a discussion about your incorrect thoughts on Islam.

Also, any Quran NOT in classical Arabic is pretty much considered to be bullshit by Muslims worldwide.
 
Also, any Quran NOT in classical Arabic is pretty much considered to be bullshit by Muslims worldwide.
That's right. I never asserted otherwise.
PLEASE report to a local tall building or cliffside to meet with your local Virtue Officer for a discussion about your incorrect thoughts on Islam.
Yeah, they would be violent to me. I don't deny that.

They're still wrong about their religion, however.
 
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Don't Take liberal apologists seriously when they deny and distort classical Islam rulings to lie to people.

Killing apostates is legislated in Islam and is only done by the authorities in the country. In practice its really rare to do, I think the number of executions for apostates in KSA can't be over 50 in the past decade. Most people who apostate just keep it to themselves or leave for the west, it's only the most adamant of them that get executes.

But yeah, most of these liberal Muslims that write these apologetics will just find a ruling they don't like such as stoning the adulterer and try to find the most obscure opinion that goes against centuries of consensus. It's all deceit and deception from that strand.
Raging mobs on Pakistan and Banglades and Afghanistan say otherwise.

Random people in all three of those countries absolutely murder apostates all day.
 
The author has presumably read the Quran and he asserts it doesn't say to kill apostates, that it's only part of hadiths with dubious accuracy.

ChatGPT fact check confirms the Quran does not say that.

Why do you love gay people so much?
I can let you know that the narrations that are mentioned in this article are referenced in Sahih Bukhari, which is the most authentic hadith collection on the face of the earth. Not only that, killing the apostate was an established practice done by the companions of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) and the first 3 generations of Muslims.
People like this author are some of the worst apologists, they think changing the religion to make it more palatable is legitimate. But at the end of the day, it's much better to be up front and honest and let people make an informed choice with all the information available to them.
Raging mobs on Pakistan and Banglades and Afghanistan say otherwise.

Random people in all three of those countries absolutely murder apostates all day.
Yes, and I'm letting you know that the islamic ruling forbids extrajudicial murder for crimes of these natures. How committed certain communities of Muslims are towards following the totality of the Sharia is a different question.
The Holy Quran is the absolute INCONTROVERTIBLE word of God, so ANYTHING permitted or commanded in the Quran is A OK or must be done, full stop.

The Quran says to kill gays and apostates so a rightly guided Caliphate MUST do these things.
It literally is the preserved word of Allah, the entirety of the Quran has been preserved in its original language it was revealed for over 1400 years, both memorized and written, without a single change of a letter. We are the only religion that has chains of narration that we use to either authenticate or weaken evidences, and the narrations of the Quran are considered Muttawakir, meaning that there are so many different chains of the same narration that it couldnt be something made up. Contrast to the torah or Bible and you'll see the complete opposite.
And yes, whatever is in the Quran is something that we firmly believe is true, even if it goes against what our societies believe is good and evil.
 
I can let you know that the narrations that are mentioned in this article are referenced in Sahih Bukhari, which is the most authentic hadith collection on the face of the earth. Not only that, killing the apostate was an established practice done by the companions of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) and the first 3 generations of Muslims.
People like this author are some of the worst apologists, they think changing the religion to make it more palatable is legitimate. But at the end of the day, it's much better to be up front and honest and let people make an informed choice with all the information available to them.
Exactly, which is why ISIS held and still has sway because they were quite pious in their Islamic jurisprudence and mostly practiced exactly what they preached.

Unlike the turbo hypocrites in the rest of the "religious" Middle East.

Islamic societies should really just stop giving a shit what degenerate westerners think and being openly practicing slavery again. It would be amazing to see.
 
established practice done by the companions of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم) and the first 3 generations of Muslims.
People like this author are some of the worst apologists
My interpretation of this is that the author is putting his life at risk to rightfully put Muslims on blast, not apologizing for them at all. Quite the opposite in fact.

Is he an apologist for monotheism more generally? Perhaps. At lot of suspicion against Muslims is queered up by cow fucker Indians who are polytheists.

But monotheism is the only real path to heaven, as Jesus also asserted.

Again, this isn't justifying Muslim immigration or support of Muslim countries by western governments. (I hate that too). It's really just showing how groups of mentally retarded Arabs and Pakis corrupted this form of Abrahamism to cover for their own violent impulses.

Many people believe that any innovation to Islam (proclaiming it's ok to kill apostates even though Muhammad never did it could hypothetically be argued as an example) is extremism within itself.

People like those you describe, the earliest Arab followers and companions of Muhammad, they thought changing the religion to make it more palatable was legitimate.
 
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Exactly, which is why ISIS held and still has sway because they were quite pious in their Islamic jurisprudence and mostly practiced exactly what they preached.

Unlike the turbo hypocrites in the rest of the "religious" Middle East.

Islamic societies should really just stop giving a shit what degenerate westerners think and being openly practicing slavery again. It would be amazing to see.
ISIS and their likes aren't representative of some pure form of Islam, they represent one of the first sects that appeared in the time of the Rashidun Caliphate known as the khawarij. They're known by doing mass excommunications, declaring the blood of the Muslims to be halal, and fighting against established leaders that they believe to be disbelievers. The sway that you talk about with ISIS and other organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood is because of the backing they've had from western intelligence agencies, especially during the war in Syria. That strand of Islam is deeply unpopular, unsurprisingly because the majority of people who are killed by terrorist groups like ISIS are Muslims.
This is a side point but jurisprudencially, it's seen as a positive thing that slavery is abolished. Mohammad (<span class='ar'' style='font-size:1em;line-height:1.25em;font-family:"Noto Naskh Arabic",sans-serif;'>صلى الله عليه وسلم</span>) was sent to a world where slavery was practiced by every people, and so instead of a full abolishment the ways to get slaves were limited to war, and freeing slaves became encouraged as a way to expiate certain sins or as a highly recommended good deed.




The one thing that the followers of ISIS and I agree upon is the fact that any innovation to Islam (like proclaiming it's ok to kill apostates even though Muhammad never did it) is extremism within itself.

People like those you describe, the earliest Arab followers and companions of Muhammad, they thought changing the religion to make it more palatable was legitimate.


I think you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to convey. The reason I say that they're an apologist is because they're citing legitimate evidences that don't have any question in their authenticity, and in their application haven't been understood in the specific way the author wants them to be interpreted. In short, they're twisting the text in order to fit her agenda, because she thinks killing apostates is not nice and therefore can't be part of Islam. There's a specific strand of liberal Muslims that take this approach.

What I described when talking about the companions of Muhammad (
صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) is that they thought of the opposite. Religious innovation is one of the biggest things that the Prophet himself warned about and his companions were very stern against the innovations that came during that early period like the Khawarij and the Qadariya (those that deny the Divine Decree of Allah).


Hopefully that gives some clarity, I'm fully in favor in conveying Islam in a complete and truthful manner so that the people that hate it do so with accurate information, and those that like it do so without being tricked into the religion.
 
Hopefully that gives some clarity, I'm fully in favor in conveying Islam in a complete and truthful manner so that the people that hate it do so with accurate information, and those that like it do so without being tricked into the religion
Don't forget that touching a dog gives you a mountain of sin in Islam.


Lol 😆

Or that being breastfed by the same women makes you literally related
 
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