Guilty Gear Strive

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Cryptosporidium 138 said:
it's boring as fuck, every single character barring maybe Chipp can kill in two combos
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To be fair, most of the roster in XX and Xrd could melt you like that, but you had to know your character and the opponent's character pretty well to do it consistently. It wasn't just that the combos could be mechanically complex, but that you also had to consider:

hitstun proration & decay (Strive doesn't have air tech); what starter did I use and how can I route?

Opponent weight (Strive did away with that year 1; it had it at first)

Opponent aerial hurtbox shape; Sol and Ky are goofy, Pot and Anji are chunky (they dumbed that down to 2 universal types in Strive 2.0)

Camera shit; sometimes the cam moves the wall in certain ways like for Sol's SW loops

I could go on and on and on and on but it's just that they take one tiny thing away then do it a hundred times and you're left with nothing.
 
Cryptosporidium 138 said:
It's telling that friends i've tried to get into fighting games the last few years just stick to strive, because it's so ludicrously babified and simple.
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I'll add some more and repeat what I said earlier about who this is for (read: nobody). These simplifications aren't gonna help a brand new player if your fear as the dev is that they'll drop your game. Their problems are so much more broad and fundamental than that. Examples:

Something like "these guys can't be combo'd like those guys"; the new player can't even do the combos where that matters, let alone basic BnB's into 2D or a knockdown which is where they need to start.

Hurtbox changes aren't something they're capable of even seeing at that stage.

Same with nuances like "hey that weird button your character hardly ever uses is actually sick in this one scenario this other character wants to push a lot".

The devs think Wild Assault was too unintuitive, so they replace it with Granblue's thing (I forget the name) and dumb the input down specifically, in their own words, for new players? The new player hardly knows how to block or use FD or burst, they are NOT gonna get every mechanic down in their memory and even when they DO it's gonna take actual experience to learn when and where it's fine and when it'll get you killed. It's a sense risk/reward they do not have at that stage.

I could (and have) go on, and on, and on, and on. Who the fuck are these changes actually for?? A new player doesn't even know any of this stuff got changed (if they know it exists to begin with), and you're just stripping away the ceiling for your invested players to dig into. These are not the kinds of "problems" that are causing that new player to lose, and in fact I'm so fucking tired of these devs treating these things like they're problems that need solving period. If that new player gets his shit pushed in and quits that's on HIM (and I say this as a dogshit player who has been dogshit for like a decade). It is on HIM to figure your game out. This equity crisis new player parity horseshit is not the answer.
 
DickMain said:
Something like "these guys can't be combo'd like those guys"; the new player can't even do the combos where that matters, let alone basic BnB's into 2D or a knockdown which is where they need to start.
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How long are strive combos anyways? I imagine most casuals give up on seeing any more than 4-5 button presses in a combo, regardless of difficulty.
DickMain said:
The devs think Wild Assault was too unintuitive, so they replace it with Granblue's thing (I forget the name) and dumb the input down specifically, in their own words, for new players? The new player hardly knows how to block or use FD or burst, they are NOT gonna get every mechanic down in their memory and even when they DO it's gonna take actual experience to learn when and where it's fine and when it'll get you killed. It's a sense risk/reward they do not have at that stage.
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Very funny that fighting games keep introducing extra mechanics in an attempt to make things easier somehow.
 
DickMain said:
To be fair, most of the roster in XX and Xrd could melt you like that, but you had to know your character and the opponent's character pretty well to do it consistently.
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That's true, but as you said you needed experience and execution. i didn't mind if a Johnny two shot me in Xrd because he has to know three or four character specific combos for EVERY character, i don't mind if Kum kills me because those loops are pretty damn hard to get consistently and he's absurdly slow and stubby and he has to push his way in with orbs. i don't mind if Slayer two shot me because that was his whole gimmick. In Xrd and XX it was more pressure and mixups than just two shotting people and if i DID get twoshot i could at least relent that my opponent had to put in the work to get it. In Strive i could pick up any character and do a bnb to any other character, end it with a super and do half health into a wallbreak that will then give me insanely good oki into another free bar of meter. there's next to no execution, no reward for time spent in the lab, just bnb and end with super on any character with any character.
 
Guilty Gear and Street Fighter are for absolute trannies. The only true and honest women in the whole thing are Giovanna and Baiken, every other character is presumed male, and Baiken still sucks to play in 2.0. I'm hard stuck Gold 3 FUUUUUUUUCK.
 
Tsar Nicky said:
Guilty Gear and Street Fighter are for absolute trannies. The only true and honest women in the whole thing are Giovanna and Baiken, every other character is presumed male, and Baiken still sucks to play in 2.0. I'm hard stuck Gold 3 FUUUUUUUUCK.
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Baiken is best in SS2019.
I still like Giovanna, Jam, & Millia.
 
DocAwe said:
Baiken is best in SS2019.
I still like Giovanna, Jam, & Millia.
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Jam's voice makes me want to get up and walk away from the computer mid-game, even if I'm winning. It's so god damn obnoxious. Giovanna and Baiken are the only two characters I've really enjoyed playing, so I guess I'm stuck with Baiken until I get sick of getting my tits pushed in by all the fucking OP shit this game has. Baiiken and Giovanna are like putting League of Legends characters into DOTA 2. Giovanna mad an appearance in the EVO top 8 so I guess she's less fucked than she was before 2.0. Got wrecked, though.
 
Haven't played Strive in a long time and wanted to ask how the 2.0 balance patch turned out ? Happy Chaos and Ram dead ? How does the game feel overall now ? Did they kill my main Potemkin ?
 
Tsar Nicky said:
Jam's voice makes me want to get up and walk away from the computer mid-game, even if I'm winning. It's so god damn obnoxious. Giovanna and Baiken are the only two characters I've really enjoyed playing, so I guess I'm stuck with Baiken until I get sick of getting my tits pushed in by all the fucking OP shit this game has. Baiiken and Giovanna are like putting League of Legends characters into DOTA 2. Giovanna mad an appearance in the EVO top 8 so I guess she's less fucked than she was before 2.0. Got wrecked, though.
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Jam was the first character I played so a slight soft spot for her.
I'm not really a fan of this new look with a fucking rabbit.
She's a chink, she'd be frying up that rabbit to serve in her restaurant.
I've always wanted a crossover with Vanessa, Viper, & Giovanna on a team.
 
Pretty sure that you can assume Elphelt to be a biological woman too. I find her annoying, but I yearn for her Xrd design.
 
Tsar Nicky said:
Guilty Gear and Street Fighter are for absolute trannies. The only true and honest women in the whole thing are Giovanna and Baiken, every other character is presumed male, and Baiken still sucks to play in 2.0. I'm hard stuck Gold 3 FUUUUUUUUCK.
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Think I stopped caring around the time Bedman was released. The troonery surrounding Bridget annoyed me since I liked the character and of course the usual suspects (helped by Daisuke) completely ruined his story and tried to turn it into gender nonsense but ofc we already know all this.
 
Snake of Diamond said:
Think I stopped caring around the time Bedman was released. The troonery surrounding Bridget annoyed me since I liked the character and of course the usual suspects (helped by Daisuke) completely ruined his story and tried to turn it into gender nonsense but ofc we already know all this.
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Especially weird since Bridget was a trans story to begin with. "You're a girl! A sissy!", "No, I'm a boy no matter what you say :) ", but since troons are braindead, they need it to be a 1:1 copy of their own experience.
 
⋖ cørdion ⋗ said:
Especially weird since Bridget was a trans story to begin with. "You're a girl! A sissy!", "No, I'm a boy no matter what you say :) ", but since troons are braindead, they need it to be a 1:1 copy of their own experience.
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It's pretty much him wanting to be his own person regardless of how people see him. It should be their ultimate story of self expression but instead it became concrete destiny because him going along with he way he was raised is somehow him coming to terms with who he is despite being the opposite.

He didn't make the choice himself he was raised to be like this which obvious lead to very unfortunate implications that are never not funny :lol:
 
Snake of Diamond said:
It's pretty much him wanting to be his own person regardless of how people see him. It should be their ultimate story of self expression but instead it became concrete destiny because him going along with he way he was raised is somehow him coming to terms with who he is despite being the opposite.

He didn't make the choice himself he was raised to be like this which obvious lead to very unfortunate implications that are never not funny :lol:
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BUT I NEED TO BE VALIDATED IN A GAME I DON'T PLAY!
 
Fighting games have become absolutely troon-coded anyway. Street Fighter 6, the first thing that greets you when you first open the game is the faggiest, most offputting dude in videogame history. Speaking of self-mutilation, I have unfortunately reinstalled Strive. I just played fifteen minutes of ranked, which is as much as I can handle, and it's just as dire as I remember. Yozansen, Yozansen, Tatami Gaishi, flip a coin, tails I win. I've also bought Xrd to become a more informed Strive hater.
 
On more positive note, Dragonball FighterZ is still kino. The troons claim that Strive is a huge success (SF6 has like 20 times the player count), but Dragonball FighterZ, an arcsys game from eight fucking years ago, trends around almost half the daily players of Strive because the Dragonball games are GOATed.
 
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