Science Greta Thunberg Megathread - Dax Herrera says he wouldn't have a day ago (I somewhat doubt that)

Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? How can a 16-year-old girl in plaits, who has dedicated herself to the not-exactly sinister, authoritarian plot of trying to save the planet from extinction, inspire such incandescent rage?

Last week, she tweeted that she had arrived into New York after her two week transatlantic voyage: “Finally here. Thank you everyone who came to see me off in Plymouth, and everyone who welcomed me in New York! Now I’m going to rest for a few days, and on Friday I’m going to participate in the strike outside the UN”, before promptly giving a press conference in English. Yes, her second language.

Her remarks were immediately greeted with a barrage of jibes about virtue signalling, and snide remarks about the three crew members who will have to fly out to take the yacht home.

This shouldn’t need to be spelled out, but as some people don’t seem to have grasped it yet, we’ll give it a lash: Thunberg’s trip was an act of protest, not a sacred commandment or an instruction manual for the rest of us. Like all acts of protest, it was designed to be symbolic and provocative. For those who missed the point – and oh, how they missed the point – she retweeted someone else’s “friendly reminder” that: “You don’t need to spend two weeks on a boat to do your part to avert our climate emergency. You just need to do everything you can, with everyone you can, to change everything you can.”

Part of the reason she inspires such rage, of course, is blindingly obvious. Climate change is terrifying. The Amazon is burning. So too is the Savannah. Parts of the Arctic are on fire. Sea levels are rising. There are more vicious storms and wildfires and droughts and floods. Denial is easier than confronting the terrifying truth.

Then there’s the fact that we don’t like being made to feel bad about our life choices. That’s human nature. It’s why we sneer at vegans. It’s why we’re suspicious of sober people at parties. And if anything is likely to make you feel bad about your life choices -- as you jet back home after your third Ryanair European minibreak this season – it’ll be the sight of small-boned child subjecting herself to a fortnight being tossed about on the Atlantic, with only a bucket bearing a “Poo Only Please” sign by way of luxury, in order to make a point about climate change.

But that’s not virtue signalling, which anyone can indulge in. As Meghan Markle, Prince Harry, and their-four-private-jets-in-11-days found recently, virtue practising is a lot harder.

Even for someone who spends a lot of time on Twitter, some of the criticism levelled at Thunberg is astonishing. It is, simultaneously, the most vicious and the most fatuous kind of playground bullying. The Australian conservative climate change denier Andrew Bolt called her “deeply disturbed” and “freakishly influential” (the use of “freakish”, we can assume, was not incidental.) The former UKIP funder, Arron Banks, tweeted “Freaking yacht accidents do happen in August” (as above.) Brendan O’Neill of Spiked called her a “millenarian weirdo” (nope, still not incidental) in a piece that referred nastily to her “monotone voice” and “the look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes”.

But who’s the real freak – the activist whose determination has single-handedly started a powerful global movement for change, or the middle-aged man taunting a child with Asperger syndrome from behind the safety of their computer screens?

And that, of course, is the real reason why Greta Thunberg is so triggering. They can’t admit it even to themselves, so they ridicule her instead. But the truth is that they’re afraid of her. The poor dears are terrified of her as an individual, and of what she stands for – youth, determination, change.

She is part of a generation who won’t be cowed. She isn’t about to be shamed into submission by trolls. That’s not actually a look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes. It’s a look that says “you’re not relevant”.

The reason they taunt her with childish insults is because that’s all they’ve got. They’re out of ideas. They can’t dismantle her arguments, because she has science – and David Attenborough – on her side. They can’t win the debate with the persuasive force of their arguments, because these bargain bin cranks trade in jaded cynicism, not youthful passion. They can harangue her with snide tweets and hot take blogposts, but they won’t get a reaction because, frankly, she has bigger worries on her mind.

That’s not to say that we should accept everything Thunberg says without question. She is an idealist who is young enough to see the world in black and white. We need voices like hers. We should listen to what she has to say, without tuning the more moderate voices of dissent out.

Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? Because of what she represents. In an age when democracy is under assault, she hints at the emergency of new kind of power, a convergence of youth, popular protest and irrefutable science. And for her loudest detractors, she also represents something else: the sight of their impending obsolescence hurtling towards them.

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Found this thought-provoking indeed.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Climate change will be the next biggest leftist front for 2020, after all this intersection social justice shit goes away, I guarantee it.

Agreed up to a point.

Like @Absolutego said, they've already incorporated climate change into their intersectional SJW rhetoric and as it is, you already see a lot of SJW's online blame climate change on white people, often by also invoking anti-capitalist rhetoric and "muh colonialism" but if Trump wins 2020, the neoliberal bigwigs will cut the line on the Woke Left because they'll need to find a new way to consolidate power and win votes.

Climate change would still be a valid tactic to push leftist rhetoric if they distance it from intersectionality and "White Man Bad" sperging in the event of a defeat in 2020.

 

[Leonard Helplessness]

Imma crosspost this from the Something Awful thread because it's just too good.

"If you don't approve of her, you're a child rapist in the making"

 

[The Last Stand]

Climate change will be the next biggest leftist front for 2020, after all this intersection social justice shit goes away, I guarantee it.

That would be a good step forward. At least with climate change, there's merit, research and science backing it up. Plus, it would help to start protecting the environment from a local scale first, then work your way up if you can. It'll advocate work, resources, and community.

 

[Absolutego]

Imma crosspost this from the Something Awful thread because it's just too good.

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"If you don't approve of her, you're a child rapist in the making"

I've seen some dumb shit posted in greta threads in right-wing spaces but the more I read this the more it just comes off as projection.txt.
Have some edgelords made dumb comments about "raping this stupid bitch"? Sure, a few. Is it some core aspect of "conservative culture"? lolno. All this armchair psychology reads like a stoner regurgitating half-remembered lectures about Freud in high school.

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

That would be a good step forward. At least with climate change, there's merit, research and science backing it up. Plus, it would help to start protecting the environment from a local scale first, then work your way up if you can. It'll advocate work, resources, and community.

That’s not how leftist politics works. It’s all about ensuring grievance groups are paid off with gibs or sinecures. Any progress is coincidental.

 

[ILOVEDONUTSANDFRENCHFRIES]

Greta should troon out. She is as gaslighting and toxic as the troons. If she trooned out everyone would reach peak trans in less than a day. She would likely have a breakdown over the manner troons extract their estrogen from though (horse piss).

Seriously, I could see John Walker Flynt / Brianna Wu and Greta collaborate and make it to congress with the two of them

 

[MrJokerRager]

I doubt the intersectional social justice trend goes away without a defeat in 2020, and they've already incorporated climate change into it by claiming the global south is the most affected by it and we need to import as many "climate refugees" as possible.

So who will live in the South if everyone comes North? free real estate or start a new nation by someone going back down there South? I mean what are they planning to do, destroy whole nations by already carrying out a brain drain on them, now remove them from their lands?

 

[frozenrunner]

Climate change will be the next biggest leftist front for 2020, after all this intersection social justice shit goes away, I guarantee it.

Then everyone else needs to prepare their arguments now about how centralized control and regulation of everything (which, again, the leftists just happened to want anyway) isn't the answer to the problem.

 

[Yaniv’s Hairy Balls]

My main problem with her and her handlers is that the Chuldrens Crusade tHeYrE pulling is distasteful. And a dumb idea. It didn’t work for the European Christians then, why tf would ppl care about one little re.tarded girl now?’

Edit- I have no idea why “they’re” came out exceptional so enjoy?

 

[Secret Asshole]

yeah, she shifted gears so rapidly from "climate change" to "It's not even ABOUT the climate, it's about what allowed it to get so bad, PATRIARCHY! " when people proposed low-carbon nuclear.

A shift so ill-advised and sudden, I think she ground up a synchro.

I'd go as far as to call her a blatant fraud at this point. Once you say that, its not about your cause anymore, its about a message. Which is useless. I'm tired of messages. You want to change the climate, do something. Pick up trash. Invent something. Research something. Do SOMETHING.

Skipping school and crying is nothing. Get fucked. I cried and skipped school for a stomach ache and that shit was more honest than what she's doing.

I’ve thought this for awhile now, but in recent years, the rise of the angry activist, and there seemingly uncaring stance on whether the problems they rage about are ever cured, just confirms it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/culture-shrink/201508/angers-allure-are-you-addicted-anger?amp

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Jean Kim M.D.
Culture Shrink
Anger's Allure: Are You Addicted to Anger?
Reasons why anger can be a hard habit to break
Posted Aug 25, 2015
Anger is a public epidemic in America; it contaminates everything from media controversy to road rage to wars to mass shootings. But aside from the larger toxic scale of this basic human emotion and its connection to violence, anger affects us in our day-to-day personal lives as well, on an intimate scale. Everything from workplace frustration to family discord can erupt and contribute to overall stress, anxiety, and depression.

Given how destructive and painful anger can be, why are we all awash in its wake? Why do we continue to bask in rage despite all the dangerous consequences: legal, social, financial, physical, medical ramifications and more?
1. Human neurobiology rewards anger.
Part of the issue is that in the moment anger feels good, feels like the thing to do. It overrides all other moral and rational brakes in the brain because it originates from our primordial, original limbic system: the brain center of our most automatic emotions like fear and desire. The limbic system has the most direct links to our fight-or-flight response system, and that includes control over adrenaline rushes, alertness, and other instincts that prime you for battle or rapid escape.

2. Anger is similar to other addictions.


What happens is that anger can lead to similar “rushes” as thrill-seeking activities where danger triggers dopamine reward receptors in the brain, or like other forms of addiction such as gambling, extreme sports, even drugs like cocaine and methamphetamines. Anger can become its own reward, but like other addictions, the final consequences are dangerous and real, and people follow impulses in the moment without regard to the big picture.

3. Anger boosts ego fragility.

There is also the psychological aspect of ego fragility and injury, often seen in narcissisticpersonalities; the rush behind anger can be triggered by underlying feelings of weakness or insecurity, a way to feel powerful in the moment and overcome those feelings. It also helps people feel briefly in control of things they typically have no control over. Unfortunately, the aftermath reinforces negative consequences that hurt you in the eyes of others, and continues the cycle of insecurity. It becomes a vicious cycle of tantrums and punishment that ultimately hurt the angry individual.


4. Anger may be familiar/comfortable and also a method of emotional avoidance.
Unfortunately for some people who are raised in continuously chaotic environments, the uncertainty and volatility of anger might become perversely comfortable, might help distract from or escape underlying uncomfortable feelings of emptiness or fear. The rush of drama and conflict feels familiar and produces a destructive intimacy that some might prefer than to confront other darker emotions like loss or grief or more. Aside from traumaticfamily environments, combat veterans are also at risk of similar addiction, as they remain in high-threat situations for long and repeated periods of time.

So it may be worth asking yourself, are you addicted to anger? If so, there are plenty of strategies for getting help, such as:

-- psychotherapy (sometimes targeted cognitive-behavioral therapy for anger management, and also therapy to confront/observe underlying interpersonal dynamics and past issues that might trigger anger)


-- treating any comorbid underlying conditions such as depression, anxiety, and PTSD that can show anger as a symptom
-- positive stress coping strategies like humor/exercise/yoga/meditation/vacation
-- learning alternative behaviors like how to problem-solve constructively and rely less on impulsive outbursts, talking out anger triggers with others ahead of time before they build up, mindfulness training/acceptance, and more


-- discussing your tendencies honestly with family members and friends.
But as with any addiction, the first step is admitting there is a problem; and for many, this is the hardest step until unfortunately something happens that you can’t take back. It takes maturity and guts to admit your anger has become a problem, and sadly, many people have not yet stepped back to look and see how they affect everyone around them, let alone themselves. Awareness is the first step to recovery.

I've said it before. Outrage culture and virtue signaling is all based on the neuro-chemistry of dopamine. Anyone who does this is a full time drug addict. They get a surge of pleasure. However, like an addict, they need more and more things to get high on. They spend all their time on social media, looking for something, ANYTHING. They infiltrate hobbies to destroy them for the dopamine rush. This is why going woke goes broke. They aren't interested in buying things. They're interested in their drug use.

Its pointless to negotiate with them, because it's like talking to a junkie. There's no point. Junkies only understand a slap across the face. Which is what you need to do. They're after an easy fix. So that's why they mostly disappear after the slightest resistance. Never apologize as they will continue to use it to milk their drug use as far as they can go.

Greta should troon out. She is as gaslighting and toxic as the troons. If she trooned out everyone would reach peak trans in less than a day. She would likely have a breakdown over the manner troons extract their estrogen from though (horse piss).

Seriously, I could see John Walker Flynt / Brianna Wu and Greta collaborate and make it to congress with the two of them ✌

Wrong. Female to Male Trans are completely disrespected in the community and despised. You very rarely hear about them. They get basically 0 opression points and are generally viewed as traitors joining the patriarchy.

 

[Marvin]

So who will live in the South if everyone comes North? free real estate or start a new nation by someone going back down there South? I mean what are they planning to do, destroy whole nations by already carrying out a brain drain on them, now remove them from their lands?

Wet-bulb temperature - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Humans won't be able to live there at all, at least not without having universal access to air conditioning.

 

[Spiteful Crow]

I've seen some dumb shit posted in greta threads in right-wing spaces but the more I read this the more it just comes off as projection.txt.
Have some edgelords made dumb comments about "raping this stupid bitch"? Sure, a few. Is it some core aspect of "conservative culture"? lolno. All this armchair psychology reads like a stoner regurgitating half-remembered lectures about Freud in high school.

It's the same playbook AOC used. All the dang Nazis are just incel perverts!

The entire thing was really done better by AOC. Her GND rollout was a mess and the bill itself was... interesting, but it did start a conversation.

I'd like to see Greta go get an education and learn a few things about politics and subtlety. A whisper goes a lot farther in a boardroom than a shout.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Climate change will be the next biggest leftist front for 2020, after all this intersection social justice shit goes away, I guarantee it.

I think the vegan shit is the next thing they'll press hard on. They have a lot of money tied up in the industry.

 

[heathercho]

I think the vegan shit is the next thing they'll press hard on. They have a lot of money tied up in the industry.

Veganism is stupid, but people should be eating less meat. If not ethically, then for the health benefits. People in modern diets don't get enough plant protein.

It's not anymore beneficial for the environment, but is more ethical. I fail to see how they'd have a lot of money tied up in veganism though. If you have the sauce, please provide.

 

[Matthew216]

Wet-bulb temperature - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Humans won't be able to live there at all, at least not without having universal access to air conditioning.

I'll move down there. Nice, quiet, I'll enjoy it.
We can start a new nation for sane people, anyone caught trying to get in from the "Stupid Lands" will be caught and launched back into their own country by way of cannon, you know, those ones they used to fire human cannonballs through.

 

[GeorgiaGuidestones]

Greta is on her way out and good riddance. I do feel bad for her because when the spotlight fades and the phone calls from world leaders and celebrities go silent this girl will have a mental breakdown. No one will be there to prop her up.

It’s kind of sad because she could have went the completely opposite way and became like the Irwin kids. They have a focus and work hard to continue their father’s legacy. That’s admirable, not screeching into a mic telling all us adults that we’re bad.

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[Secret Asshole]

So you are saying she is basically my avatar right now

Pretty much, yes.

Way to boost morale. I'm sure that will get the activists enthusiastic for more work, call them a bunch of losers who have accomplished nothing. How the fuck do you pick a goblin looking Debbie Downer like this as a spokesthing?

They picked her because:

1) She is stupid. She has multiple learning disabilites, autsim and is functionally a sped. This allowed them a massive shield and pretended, like a lot of people, autism gives people super intelligence and super powers. It doesn't. It cripples your understanding of the world.

In fact, autisim is linked with LOWER IQ. 33% of people with autism have learning disabilities and lower IQs. This made her a dumb cow and easy to spew out whatever shit they wanted.

2) She's a child. This allowed her to be shielded and get into places they normally would not be able to access. It also allowed this air of innocence and perceived that her words carried more weight. Functionally, child activists held more attention because they're viewed as 'smarter than their age'. She wasn't. She was a fabrication. Due to her mental illnesses and learning disabilities, she was quite easy to manipulate and fabricate, which is why she lasted so long.

3) Her parents were privileged, ANTIFA fucktards. These people are disgusting parasites if you take any sort of look at them. They were easily bribed. All you needed to do was flash a little green and they'd do whatever her handlers wanted.

So she made a perfect target for predatory activists who constantly require more attention for more money. The fact that Greta was mentally handicapped and wouldn't complain she wasn't getting a cut as well as being very easy to manipulate with unscrupulous parents made her absolutely perfect for exploitation.

Her handlers obviously made a Profit:Loss analysis and decided her value was up, so they made one last gasp before abandoning her. They absolutely knew this would end her. They just simply cashed out and called everyone who saw them for what they were misogynists and members of the alt right before disappearing entirely.

I kinda feel bad for her because that disillusionment she's feeling as her "movement" collapses is real, she's too young to recognize she was a professional pawn in all of this. Even if everyone around her is an insincere self-serving snake who can walk away without a care or a moment's sorrow weighing on their conscious, I don't think she is.

You used a kid and left her holding the fallout you never warned her about...... after a half-year of inflating her ego and telling her how important and special she was, you just threw her in the trash and said "Sorry kid, you couldn't pull the numbers, you're canceled"

Nice job, you moral and caring progressives.

Greta is on her way out and good riddance. I do feel bad for her because when the spotlight fades and the phone calls from world leaders and celebrities go silent this girl will have a mental breakdown. No one will be there to prop her up.

It’s kind of sad because she could have went the completely opposite way and became like the Irwin kids. They have a focus and work hard to continue their father’s legacy. That’s admirable, not screeching into a mic telling all us adults that we’re bad.

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People warned them about this. Constantly. Anyone who even spoke ill of St. Greta was called horrible things. But now that she's outlived her usefulness, she'll be abandoned by the side of the road. She was never expected to accomplish anything. The problem was that she's literally a sped that doesn't understand shit about the world and couldn't understand she was being played. They probably said all these glowing things about her to get her on board, probably not that many because she's really not smart. Autistics don't have super powers and she has learning disabilities. There was probably no fucking way she could process anything this big. Which is, you know, why we have laws to protect children.

Now that they're done with her, she didn't learn to grift too, which is why she was probably so popular with this crowd. She was too stupid and naive to get in on the action, she only enriched her parents and people around her.

Oh, they're not moral or caring. They're narcissistic sociopaths who are functionally drug addicts looking to get their hit of dopamine. Greta is old news, the wheels are coming off. So the frauds who've milked her dry are waiting for their last check, and the progtards who held her up can't use her to get high anymore so they're looking for a new thing.

 

[AltisticRight]

Lol patriarchy and colonialism. What does some little kid skipping classes know about either of the two? She can't even differentiate an order one function FFS. Go back to school, stupid child.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

My main problem with her and her handlers is that the Chuldrens Crusade tHeYrE pulling is distasteful. And a dumb idea. It didn’t work for the European Christians then, why tf would ppl care about one little re.tarded girl now?’

Edit- I have no idea why “they’re” came out exceptional so enjoy?

Yeah, and don't forget that the actual Children's Crusade was just used as an excuse to sell a bunch of children into slavery.

 

[CheezzyMach]

I'd go as far as to call her a blatant fraud at this point. Once you say that, its not about your cause anymore, its about a message. Which is useless. I'm tired of messages. You want to change the climate, do something. Pick up trash. Invent something. Research something. Do SOMETHING.

Skipping school and crying is nothing. Get fucked. I cried and skipped school for a stomach ache and that shit was more honest than what she's doing.



I've said it before. Outrage culture and virtue signaling is all based on the neuro-chemistry of dopamine. Anyone who does this is a full time drug addict. They get a surge of pleasure. However, like an addict, they need more and more things to get high on. They spend all their time on social media, looking for something, ANYTHING. They infiltrate hobbies to destroy them for the dopamine rush. This is why going woke goes broke. They aren't interested in buying things. They're interested in their drug use.

Its pointless to negotiate with them, because it's like talking to a junkie. There's no point. Junkies only understand a slap across the face. Which is what you need to do. They're after an easy fix. So that's why they mostly disappear after the slightest resistance. Never apologize as they will continue to use it to tard cum their drug use as far as they can go.



Wrong. Female to Male Trans are completely disrespected in the community and despised. You very rarely hear about them. They get basically 0 opression points and are generally viewed as traitors joining the patriarchy.

I've long said the 2010s are the Neo 70s and will probably be remembered as a time where narcissism,mental illness and hedonism went out of control just like the 70s.