Science Greta Thunberg Megathread - Dax Herrera says he wouldn't have a day ago (I somewhat doubt that)

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Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? How can a 16-year-old girl in plaits, who has dedicated herself to the not-exactly sinister, authoritarian plot of trying to save the planet from extinction, inspire such incandescent rage?

Last week, she tweeted that she had arrived into New York after her two week transatlantic voyage: “Finally here. Thank you everyone who came to see me off in Plymouth, and everyone who welcomed me in New York! Now I’m going to rest for a few days, and on Friday I’m going to participate in the strike outside the UN”, before promptly giving a press conference in English. Yes, her second language.

Her remarks were immediately greeted with a barrage of jibes about virtue signalling, and snide remarks about the three crew members who will have to fly out to take the yacht home.

This shouldn’t need to be spelled out, but as some people don’t seem to have grasped it yet, we’ll give it a lash: Thunberg’s trip was an act of protest, not a sacred commandment or an instruction manual for the rest of us. Like all acts of protest, it was designed to be symbolic and provocative. For those who missed the point – and oh, how they missed the point – she retweeted someone else’s “friendly reminder” that: “You don’t need to spend two weeks on a boat to do your part to avert our climate emergency. You just need to do everything you can, with everyone you can, to change everything you can.”

Part of the reason she inspires such rage, of course, is blindingly obvious. Climate change is terrifying. The Amazon is burning. So too is the Savannah. Parts of the Arctic are on fire. Sea levels are rising. There are more vicious storms and wildfires and droughts and floods. Denial is easier than confronting the terrifying truth.

Then there’s the fact that we don’t like being made to feel bad about our life choices. That’s human nature. It’s why we sneer at vegans. It’s why we’re suspicious of sober people at parties. And if anything is likely to make you feel bad about your life choices -- as you jet back home after your third Ryanair European minibreak this season – it’ll be the sight of small-boned child subjecting herself to a fortnight being tossed about on the Atlantic, with only a bucket bearing a “Poo Only Please” sign by way of luxury, in order to make a point about climate change.

But that’s not virtue signalling, which anyone can indulge in. As Meghan Markle, Prince Harry, and their-four-private-jets-in-11-days found recently, virtue practising is a lot harder.

Even for someone who spends a lot of time on Twitter, some of the criticism levelled at Thunberg is astonishing. It is, simultaneously, the most vicious and the most fatuous kind of playground bullying. The Australian conservative climate change denier Andrew Bolt called her “deeply disturbed” and “freakishly influential” (the use of “freakish”, we can assume, was not incidental.) The former UKIP funder, Arron Banks, tweeted “Freaking yacht accidents do happen in August” (as above.) Brendan O’Neill of Spiked called her a “millenarian weirdo” (nope, still not incidental) in a piece that referred nastily to her “monotone voice” and “the look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes”.

But who’s the real freak – the activist whose determination has single-handedly started a powerful global movement for change, or the middle-aged man taunting a child with Asperger syndrome from behind the safety of their computer screens?

And that, of course, is the real reason why Greta Thunberg is so triggering. They can’t admit it even to themselves, so they ridicule her instead. But the truth is that they’re afraid of her. The poor dears are terrified of her as an individual, and of what she stands for – youth, determination, change.

She is part of a generation who won’t be cowed. She isn’t about to be shamed into submission by trolls. That’s not actually a look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes. It’s a look that says “you’re not relevant”.

The reason they taunt her with childish insults is because that’s all they’ve got. They’re out of ideas. They can’t dismantle her arguments, because she has science – and David Attenborough – on her side. They can’t win the debate with the persuasive force of their arguments, because these bargain bin cranks trade in jaded cynicism, not youthful passion. They can harangue her with snide tweets and hot take blogposts, but they won’t get a reaction because, frankly, she has bigger worries on her mind.

That’s not to say that we should accept everything Thunberg says without question. She is an idealist who is young enough to see the world in black and white. We need voices like hers. We should listen to what she has to say, without tuning the more moderate voices of dissent out.

Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? Because of what she represents. In an age when democracy is under assault, she hints at the emergency of new kind of power, a convergence of youth, popular protest and irrefutable science. And for her loudest detractors, she also represents something else: the sight of their impending obsolescence hurtling towards them.

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Found this thought-provoking indeed.
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Alec Benson Leary said:
I doubt that's a good thing, because I never would have remembered Coldplay again if they didn't have Greta's tantrum as an excuse to get in the soapbox and let everyone know how environmentally conscious they are.
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Yeah, but this might hopefully snowball into other bands not wanting to go on tour like Coldplay to say "See! We are still cool and all! We care!" Because like you, i wouldn't have remembered who Coldplay were unless they appeared in this shit. Maybe other bands will try to latch into this shit to get a sliver of relevance again by sparing us their noise.
 
Alec Benson Leary said:
As others say it's not about environmentalism, that's just a con so selfish destructive people can maintain power. It's just like progs claiming racism is everywhere so they can look like heroes for bringing back segregation, which will obviously cause more racial divides which ensures they can keep getting hero points for crying about it forever. I'd love a clean earth too but to even approach that we have to get rid of the people in power who want the world always teetering on the edge of destruction because then the scared peasants will keep donating to their charities and patreons forever.
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It's a lot less simple than that.

An obvious conclusion from simple economics is that an increase in population among wasteful polities like the US will have an adverse impact on the environment. To quote the Sierra Club, in 1980:
Immigration to the United States should be no greater than that which will permit achievement of population stabilization in the United States.
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But by the 1990s, subversion of the organisation from outside parties with no real interest in preserving the environment allowed them to take control of the organization from rank-and-file members. By the early 2000s this was made explicit, with capitalist wrecker David Gelbaum making all further donations- by that stage he had already spent more than $200 million on corrupting the organization- contigent on America being flooded with more aliens to further wreck the earth.

Environmentalism is not a 'left wing' or 'hippie' phonomenon- just look at the Collegium Humanum in Germany- and these fake environmentalists are not environmentalists. They're just another wing of the ancient enemies of humanity.
 
The "population stabilization" in that really dates it as "overpopulation" was one of the big bug-bears of late 70's early 80's envio-panicking, along with the next ice age.... but it was forgotten by the early 90's because 20 years was the "sell by" date at which point we'd all be eating Soylent Green, and it was obvious that it just wasn't going to vet.

So, the old disciples of 70's "there won't be any gas or food left by 1990 unless negative growth is achieved soon" mantra got kicked to the curb and global warming took over as the next assured calamity and allowed the 90s "Global Greens" in, a telling us we had to strangle our industry with regulation (to the point it all went overseas) or else water would be up to the 10th floor of New York condos by 2000.

What we're seeing here today, along with the rise of Trump populism and a realization that an economic policy of "Either make it carbon neutral or sell to China" was a scam, is another changing of the guard as the old Global Greens go out and get replaced by enviro-socialists hawking their stack-a-soyboy living pods and bugburgers as radical changes that must be made to combat "climate change", not "Global warming" since that, with a 20 year "sell by" date, has failed to vet, as New York and Miami are not underwater as projected.

It never changes.
 
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After all, the climate crisis is not just about the environment.
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Yes it is. Whatever that other shit is has nothing to do with CO2, whether it's bad, and whether emissions of it should be reduced. Presumably, if it's so super important that it absolutely must be done, you're going to need every country in the world on board with it. That means people who disagree with you about all your other dumb shit, special interests, "muh patriarchy" and whatever other moonbat shit you're on about.
 
LOL, these cunts can’t help themselves, can they? They piss and moan about not being taken seriously about the “climate crisis” but every time they talk about it, they have to inject a bunch of commie bullshit that has nothing to do with the environment.

The cherry on this shit sundae is that they’re trying to trot out this failed astroturfed potato again to deliver this bullshit message.
 
That was the sound of her handlers realizing the 15 minutes are almost up, and they have to stoke some fresh outrage while the spotlight is still on them, because no way does she understand half of those words that were just put in her mouth.
 
TowinKarz said:
That was the sound of her handlers realizing the 15 minutes are almost up, and they have to stoke some fresh outrage while the spotlight is still on them, because no way does she understand half of those words that were just put in her mouth.
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Was that the point of Greta? That was really her life's ambition?

Did her handlers actually expect her hysterics to impress the United States Congress?

So many questions! :story:
 
Spiteful Crow said:
Was that the point of Greta? That was really her life's ambition?

Did her handlers actually expect her hysterics to impress the United States Congress?

So many questions! :story:
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Crying Brown Kids on the cover of Time Magazine aren't doing enough to sway opinion. What can we do?! - Try a white kid?
 
Hatoful Dandy said:
Greta Thunberg Says Its NOT About The Environment, Its About Ending Patriarchy And Colonialism
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So it was patriarchy and colonialism that stole her childhood?
Show me on the doll where the patriarchy touched you, hon.

This babe is throwing everything in the kitchen sink to stay relevant; next week she'll come out as non-binary.
 
greengrilledcheese said:
https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...erence-madrid-by-greta-thunberg-et-al-2019-11 (http://archive.vn/0bG8b)
It's all so tiring.
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It's written by 3 people: Greta Thunberg, Luisa Neubauer And Angela Valenzuela.
I attached part of the article. Pretty radical.
"We will do whatever it takes..." Where have we heard that before? Sounds almost like: By Any Means Necessary.


I don't have much info about Angela Valenzuela but Luisa Neubauer is known as Greta's handler and has Soros ties
notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com

Greta’s Soros Connections

By Paul Homewood Andrew Bolt is not afraid to tell the truth about our Greta. It is a pity that the media here have not got the courage to do the same: Meanwhile more …
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Wy4M said:
I don't have much info about Angela Valenzuela but Luisa Neubauer is known as Greta's handler and has Soros ties
notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com

Greta’s Soros Connections

By Paul Homewood Andrew Bolt is not afraid to tell the truth about our Greta. It is a pity that the media here have not got the courage to do the same: Meanwhile more …
notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com
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We got to archive on the Wayback Machine before someone else delete it.
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Greta’s Soros Connections

By Paul Homewood Andrew Bolt is not afraid to tell the truth about our Greta. It is a pity that the media here have not got the courage to do the same: Meanwhile more …
web.archive.org web.archive.org
I tried Archive.today as well but they was very slow to upload lately.

Edit: Finally menaged to get it on Archive.today. http://archive.ph/O4tam
 
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