Science Greta Thunberg Megathread - Dax Herrera says he wouldn't have a day ago (I somewhat doubt that)

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Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? How can a 16-year-old girl in plaits, who has dedicated herself to the not-exactly sinister, authoritarian plot of trying to save the planet from extinction, inspire such incandescent rage?

Last week, she tweeted that she had arrived into New York after her two week transatlantic voyage: “Finally here. Thank you everyone who came to see me off in Plymouth, and everyone who welcomed me in New York! Now I’m going to rest for a few days, and on Friday I’m going to participate in the strike outside the UN”, before promptly giving a press conference in English. Yes, her second language.

Her remarks were immediately greeted with a barrage of jibes about virtue signalling, and snide remarks about the three crew members who will have to fly out to take the yacht home.

This shouldn’t need to be spelled out, but as some people don’t seem to have grasped it yet, we’ll give it a lash: Thunberg’s trip was an act of protest, not a sacred commandment or an instruction manual for the rest of us. Like all acts of protest, it was designed to be symbolic and provocative. For those who missed the point – and oh, how they missed the point – she retweeted someone else’s “friendly reminder” that: “You don’t need to spend two weeks on a boat to do your part to avert our climate emergency. You just need to do everything you can, with everyone you can, to change everything you can.”

Part of the reason she inspires such rage, of course, is blindingly obvious. Climate change is terrifying. The Amazon is burning. So too is the Savannah. Parts of the Arctic are on fire. Sea levels are rising. There are more vicious storms and wildfires and droughts and floods. Denial is easier than confronting the terrifying truth.

Then there’s the fact that we don’t like being made to feel bad about our life choices. That’s human nature. It’s why we sneer at vegans. It’s why we’re suspicious of sober people at parties. And if anything is likely to make you feel bad about your life choices -- as you jet back home after your third Ryanair European minibreak this season – it’ll be the sight of small-boned child subjecting herself to a fortnight being tossed about on the Atlantic, with only a bucket bearing a “Poo Only Please” sign by way of luxury, in order to make a point about climate change.

But that’s not virtue signalling, which anyone can indulge in. As Meghan Markle, Prince Harry, and their-four-private-jets-in-11-days found recently, virtue practising is a lot harder.

Even for someone who spends a lot of time on Twitter, some of the criticism levelled at Thunberg is astonishing. It is, simultaneously, the most vicious and the most fatuous kind of playground bullying. The Australian conservative climate change denier Andrew Bolt called her “deeply disturbed” and “freakishly influential” (the use of “freakish”, we can assume, was not incidental.) The former UKIP funder, Arron Banks, tweeted “Freaking yacht accidents do happen in August” (as above.) Brendan O’Neill of Spiked called her a “millenarian weirdo” (nope, still not incidental) in a piece that referred nastily to her “monotone voice” and “the look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes”.

But who’s the real freak – the activist whose determination has single-handedly started a powerful global movement for change, or the middle-aged man taunting a child with Asperger syndrome from behind the safety of their computer screens?

And that, of course, is the real reason why Greta Thunberg is so triggering. They can’t admit it even to themselves, so they ridicule her instead. But the truth is that they’re afraid of her. The poor dears are terrified of her as an individual, and of what she stands for – youth, determination, change.

She is part of a generation who won’t be cowed. She isn’t about to be shamed into submission by trolls. That’s not actually a look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes. It’s a look that says “you’re not relevant”.

The reason they taunt her with childish insults is because that’s all they’ve got. They’re out of ideas. They can’t dismantle her arguments, because she has science – and David Attenborough – on her side. They can’t win the debate with the persuasive force of their arguments, because these bargain bin cranks trade in jaded cynicism, not youthful passion. They can harangue her with snide tweets and hot take blogposts, but they won’t get a reaction because, frankly, she has bigger worries on her mind.

That’s not to say that we should accept everything Thunberg says without question. She is an idealist who is young enough to see the world in black and white. We need voices like hers. We should listen to what she has to say, without tuning the more moderate voices of dissent out.

Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? Because of what she represents. In an age when democracy is under assault, she hints at the emergency of new kind of power, a convergence of youth, popular protest and irrefutable science. And for her loudest detractors, she also represents something else: the sight of their impending obsolescence hurtling towards them.

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Found this thought-provoking indeed.
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Her routine is quite manpower intensive. The more people involved in the charade means an increased likelihood of one of them getting pissed off for whatever reasons, and having a whinge to the media about what was happening behind the scenes.

Probably not so much the boat crew, but high profile campaigns attract grifters, who can get pissed off when they don't get the recognition they feel they deserve..
 
>demands air travel halt
>won't take up honorable chairman about Chinese emissions
wow
If you saw the video she pulled the Luann from King of the Hill defense, they never invited her to get chastised so therefore China doesnt exist same with India if they dont invite her to cut a retards impression of Ludvig Borga then they aren't part of the climate change problem.
 
If you saw the video she pulled the Luann from King of the Hill defense, they never invited her to get chastised so therefore China doesnt exist same with India if they dont invite her to cut a exceptional individuals impression of Ludvig Borga then they aren't part of the climate change problem.

Or maybe China paid her big money not say a word?
 
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Her routine is quite manpower intensive. The more people involved in the charade means an increased likelihood of one of them getting pissed off for whatever reasons, and having a whinge to the media about what was happening behind the scenes.

Probably not so much the boat crew, but high profile campaigns attract grifters, who can get pissed off when they don't get the recognition they feel they deserve..
Brings up an interesting question. If she allegedly needs money to jet set, where is the money coming from for the handlers etc.?
 
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Her routine is quite manpower intensive.

Think of the extra carbon that had to expended to build the video equipment that served no purpose other than documenting you wasting more carbon with a vanity trip, how much extra pollution went into the world to produce those custom decals for the boat? Can't just sail to a conference to get your ego stroked, the whole world's gotta know you're doing it..... every step of the way.... and I'll bet none of those extra support staff go hungry.....

This is why I loathe modern environmentalism.

Since the 90's, it's been pithy phrases on bumperstickers stuck to mammoth SUVs as if your pure motives actually will suck carbon out of the atmosphere, as opposed to some trees you could have planted instead....

Hypocrisy of the highest order, and now we've got celebrity hypocrites.
 
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Her routine is quite manpower intensive. The more people involved in the charade means an increased likelihood of one of them getting pissed off for whatever reasons, and having a whinge to the media about what was happening behind the scenes.

Probably not so much the boat crew, but high profile campaigns attract grifters, who can get pissed off when they don't get the recognition they feel they deserve..

If I was her parent, I would be concerned with her being alone with so many men.
 
Her routine is quite manpower intensive. The more people involved in the charade means an increased likelihood of one of them getting pissed off for whatever reasons, and having a whinge to the media about what was happening behind the scenes.

And no one had complained about the lack of diversity of her crew yet. :story:
 
Why doesn’t she just conference in? Does she really need to be there physically?

I wonder if her parents just wanted time alone. Maybe she’s a real buzzkill. That would explain why they didn’t accompany her.

It's vitally important to the world that people get her physical presence so they can see her weird gurning and scowling and autistic mannerisms up close and personal.
 
If I was her parent, I would be concerned with her being alone with so many men.
I think she is genuinely on the spectrum. I'm willing to bet she loved being on a boat with no engine in the middle of the Atlantic.

Her asshole parents should have taught her how to sail rather than how to act out a role as an activist.
 
Brings up an interesting question. If she allegedly needs money to jet set, where is the money coming from for the handlers etc.?
From the people who are behind her family, it's some NGO linked to the (((usual))) suspects. The family probably has some, but not enough for this eventuality I guess.

She can eventually get the money. The problem is that these vehicles are just doing her a favor by taking her all over the world. There are ships and airplanes everywhere for her to take, and she (or her handlers) have enough money to pay for them, but the ones she requires are likely on schedule for their own things and they won't turn back to help her. I'm sure the yacht that brought her to America only wanted some exposure and it's now back to where it's meant to be and won't do it again. It's not about HER but about showing off how virtuous they are and how much virtuous you can be if you own this exactly same eco-yacht. wink wink nudge nudge.
 
Spain are footing the bill for the Greta publicity tour.

(https://www.dw.com/en/spain-to-help-greta-thunberg-get-to-cop25-in-madrid/a-51091374
I can't archive it, but you get the point.)

Spain to help Greta Thunberg get to COP25 in Madrid
Spain's government has offered to get Greta Thunberg to next month's UN climate summit. The Swedish activist appealed for help crossing the Atlantic after the conference venue changed last-minute from Santiago to Madrid.
Greta Thunberg on a yacht

Spain's environment minister said the government would help Greta Thunberg cross the Atlantic in time to attend the upcoming UN climate talks.
"Dear Greta, it would be great to have you here in Madrid," the minister, Teresa Ribera, said on Twitter. "You've made a long journey and help all of us to raise concern, open minds and enhance action. We would love to help you to cross the Atlantic back."


Spain offered to host the UN climate change conference, known formally as COP25, after Chile withdrew. The last-minute change left Thunberg stranded on the wrong side of the Atlantic.


Emissions-free travel

The 16-year-old activist, who shuns fossil fuel-powered modes of transport such as commercial flights, put out an appeal on Twitter, saying she would like to attend the conference but had "traveled half around the world, the wrong way."

"If anyone could help me find transport I would be so grateful."

Thunberg sailed from Europe to New York earlier this year to attend the UN Climate Action Summit in September. She is currently in Los Angeles and had planned to travel carbon-free by land to the COP25 in the Chilean capital Santiago.

But this week the venue of the December 2-13 event was switched to Madrid — more than 10,000 kilometers (6,000 miles) away — after violent protests forced Chilean President Sebastian Pinera to retract the offer to host.



The annual conference aims to coordinate efforts to implement the goals of the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement. Some 25,000 people are expected to attend.

Di Caprio delight at meeting Greta

Meanwhile, fellow environmental activist and Hollywood actor Leonardo DiCaprio, could not hide his delight at meeting Thunberg during her stint in North America.

He described her as a "leader of our time" following their first encounter.

The "Titanic" star said via his Instagram page over the weekend: "History will judge us for what we do today to help guarantee that future generations can enjoy the same livable planet that we have so clearly taken for granted. I hope that Greta’s message is a wake-up call to world leaders everywhere that the time for inaction is over."

DiCaprio, who posted a picture of the pair online, added: "It was an honor to spend time with Greta" and that "climate change is the most urgent threat facing our entire species, and we need to work collectively together and stop procrastinating."


 
I'm gonna repost and edit a small essay, the response was made in the Ralph thread. It's seems far more relevant to post here. There's also some sources to read and I'll edit out the autistic ramblings.

When the left and the right climate alarmists attempt to pinpoint "climate change" on a specific race or nation, it is beyond laughable and shows their statistical illiteracy. People don't seem to understand that emissions can be calculated in both per capita, totality yearly, and cumulatively over the span of several years. Nevertheless, USA does come out at near the top in all three categories, and indeed tops it when it comes to cumulative emissions, surpassing both China and India.

This means that the USA is over-represented in per capita emissions (#18), cumulative (#1) and thereby totality (#2). For a nation with so little people compared to China or India, the US is taking a massive lead. Now, imagine the USA with a population half of China or India, it doesn't take a math degree to figure out.

The reason why the USA isn't like China or India, suffering from heavy pollution and smog issues is rather simple. Land mass and population. 10 people crammed in one room will produce more emissions than one person in one room. China and the USA are very similar when it comes to land size, but China has more than 4 times more people. This takes a significant toll on the environment. This is why despite heavy emissions, USA has quite a nice environment. Obviously, there's also many other reasons, since China only recently banned people from burning electronic waste to extract gold, which isn't a popular practice in the USA.

More people means more pollution, larger land means less pollution. Australia is a massive country with the population of Shanghai, which gives us a nice environment. When this Thunberg kid tries to claim the air in Sweden is sweeter, she's obviously lying. She's essentially a media tool, I'm sure most can agree here. To halt airlines is also beyond retarded, might as well argue for a genocide.

While it is true that the USA is basically a massive polluter, and thanks to having so few people, the environment isn't as bad as China. This however doesn't mean that the USA should take all the blame. In fact, there's a lot of redeeming qualities despite Trumps withdrawal from that whatever climate committee thing. One doesn't need to be in a committee to combat high emissions.

Common contenders:
1. Whitey: While it is true that white countries contribute a lot of emissions per capita and cumulatively, white countries also feature neighbourhoods far spread apart, making travel with a car necessary. Also, most countries such as America are yet to embrace faster forms of transport, how are you going to let people live if you environmentalists deny them car ownership? How would they shop? For example, there's lots of very spread apart gentrified small neighbourhoods that surround a larger one where all the shops really are in Australia (ie Tamworth and surroundings, Wagga Wagga and surroundings). People from theses areas need to do their shopping once a week or so like any normal family, and how exactly are they going to travel that 100+km round trip without a car? Buses are unreliable and the demand for buses is so low, that it will only run once every two hours or so.

The thing about not having kids is simply exceptional. How about nuking and genocide? That solves the problem too right? To deny the fundamental pillars of sentient beings which is procreate, how can anyone argue for that? I've really only heard hardcore environmentalists and actual Nazis argue about forced castrations. China also has a one child, now two child policy, it's not new.

2. India and China: India and China contribute a lot to emissions, totality they are at third and first respectively (USA is second, actually). China has a ton of smog and India is about to catch up. Per capita, the two counties are at 131 and 44 no where near any western country. The two nations have a massive population, so they produce more waste and emissions. It's also very rich when right wingers try to blame China or India for their emissions. China, Thailand, Taiwan, Korea and India consumes 99% of the world's electronic waste. Quite rich for the rest of the world which basically treats these countries as their dumpsters to then point the fingers at them. This is especially bad in countries such as China and SEA where they burn these electronics to extract the pathetic amount of gold. It's now outlawed in China, I don't know about SEA.

When it comes to renewable energy, China and US are the frontiers. One comes first and the other is in top 3 in almost all categories. China and the states are doing incredibly well in renewable coverage and investment. The lefties and right wingers who loves to point fingers around knows nothinh about what they are talking about.

It's incredibly clear which countries are taking the lead.

That massive dam in China despite costing astronomical figures and invoking a literal wildlife genocide is doing wonders.
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USA and China leading the rest of the world in wind energy. Where's Sweden, little Thunberg?
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Once again, the two countries that lead in solar are without a surprise, China and the USA.
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USA leading the world in geothermal energy, something that China has yet to truly invest in.
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China does have the geothermal potential.
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The ones that want to point to Latin America are a joke. While not contributing much emissions both per capita and in totality, they actually invest a lot of their capital into renewable sources, as scarce as it actually is. It's pretty safe to say it at this point. When someone wants to blame Mexico for emissions, they are either legitimately dumb, simply dislike the country, or both.
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This then begs the question, neither America nor Europe, nor China nor India are on the top when it comes to per capita, so who tops the list?
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See a trend here? Where's China and India, the two that consistently pop up here and in many other discussions? The top spots are occupied by countries which probably some either never heard of or know as extremely oil rich Muslim theocracies. What have they done in renewables? They live in deserts where the sun and wind can be exploited, yet they've done nothing significant to get on any list I can find.

It's true that countries with the most total emissions can have a greater impact when reducing it, which only a fool will say that China and the States aren't doing enough. The USA does indeed come out as overrepresented in both per capita and totality, but the USA also comes out on the top when it comes to investment and coverage of renewables.

What about asking countries such as Qatar and UAE, instead of building yet another skyscraper for swagger, maybe put that money into solar and wind farms? India, China, and the US have been doing incredibly well. People on the left and the right trying to level blame towards countries they no doubt simply dislike does not solve the problem. Maybe it's time to ask these oil rich countries to do something? They are in deserts that are incredibly hot, so decreasing the use of air conditioning etc isn't going to work, how about use that sun and build some solar farms?

Instead of playing the blame game and whine at [insert country I dislike here] for "not doing enough", look at the data and deduce the ones that are putting out a lot and not doing enough. It's not like Qatar and the UAE are impoverished dumps, they are simply not allocating resources to renewables to actually make a significance. China, USA, India, and Europe, all 4 being polluters are also generators.

The reason why I usually brush off people blaming China or USA when a country is brought up as "you just dislike the country" is because with little research, anyone can see that both are doing a lot. Stop being emotion filled children, read graphs and embrace autism. Put the blame on the ones that deserve it.

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