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Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? How can a 16-year-old girl in plaits, who has dedicated herself to the not-exactly sinister, authoritarian plot of trying to save the planet from extinction, inspire such incandescent rage?

Last week, she tweeted that she had arrived into New York after her two week transatlantic voyage: “Finally here. Thank you everyone who came to see me off in Plymouth, and everyone who welcomed me in New York! Now I’m going to rest for a few days, and on Friday I’m going to participate in the strike outside the UN”, before promptly giving a press conference in English. Yes, her second language.

Her remarks were immediately greeted with a barrage of jibes about virtue signalling, and snide remarks about the three crew members who will have to fly out to take the yacht home.

This shouldn’t need to be spelled out, but as some people don’t seem to have grasped it yet, we’ll give it a lash: Thunberg’s trip was an act of protest, not a sacred commandment or an instruction manual for the rest of us. Like all acts of protest, it was designed to be symbolic and provocative. For those who missed the point – and oh, how they missed the point – she retweeted someone else’s “friendly reminder” that: “You don’t need to spend two weeks on a boat to do your part to avert our climate emergency. You just need to do everything you can, with everyone you can, to change everything you can.”

Part of the reason she inspires such rage, of course, is blindingly obvious. Climate change is terrifying. The Amazon is burning. So too is the Savannah. Parts of the Arctic are on fire. Sea levels are rising. There are more vicious storms and wildfires and droughts and floods. Denial is easier than confronting the terrifying truth.

Then there’s the fact that we don’t like being made to feel bad about our life choices. That’s human nature. It’s why we sneer at vegans. It’s why we’re suspicious of sober people at parties. And if anything is likely to make you feel bad about your life choices -- as you jet back home after your third Ryanair European minibreak this season – it’ll be the sight of small-boned child subjecting herself to a fortnight being tossed about on the Atlantic, with only a bucket bearing a “Poo Only Please” sign by way of luxury, in order to make a point about climate change.

But that’s not virtue signalling, which anyone can indulge in. As Meghan Markle, Prince Harry, and their-four-private-jets-in-11-days found recently, virtue practising is a lot harder.

Even for someone who spends a lot of time on Twitter, some of the criticism levelled at Thunberg is astonishing. It is, simultaneously, the most vicious and the most fatuous kind of playground bullying. The Australian conservative climate change denier Andrew Bolt called her “deeply disturbed” and “freakishly influential” (the use of “freakish”, we can assume, was not incidental.) The former UKIP funder, Arron Banks, tweeted “Freaking yacht accidents do happen in August” (as above.) Brendan O’Neill of Spiked called her a “millenarian weirdo” (nope, still not incidental) in a piece that referred nastily to her “monotone voice” and “the look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes”.

But who’s the real freak – the activist whose determination has single-handedly started a powerful global movement for change, or the middle-aged man taunting a child with Asperger syndrome from behind the safety of their computer screens?

And that, of course, is the real reason why Greta Thunberg is so triggering. They can’t admit it even to themselves, so they ridicule her instead. But the truth is that they’re afraid of her. The poor dears are terrified of her as an individual, and of what she stands for – youth, determination, change.

She is part of a generation who won’t be cowed. She isn’t about to be shamed into submission by trolls. That’s not actually a look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes. It’s a look that says “you’re not relevant”.

The reason they taunt her with childish insults is because that’s all they’ve got. They’re out of ideas. They can’t dismantle her arguments, because she has science – and David Attenborough – on her side. They can’t win the debate with the persuasive force of their arguments, because these bargain bin cranks trade in jaded cynicism, not youthful passion. They can harangue her with snide tweets and hot take blogposts, but they won’t get a reaction because, frankly, she has bigger worries on her mind.

That’s not to say that we should accept everything Thunberg says without question. She is an idealist who is young enough to see the world in black and white. We need voices like hers. We should listen to what she has to say, without tuning the more moderate voices of dissent out.

Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? Because of what she represents. In an age when democracy is under assault, she hints at the emergency of new kind of power, a convergence of youth, popular protest and irrefutable science. And for her loudest detractors, she also represents something else: the sight of their impending obsolescence hurtling towards them.

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AlexGroans said:
So what’s this racket about excessive taxation going on here? I thought this thread was about a 16-year-old being used to push a narrative.

To remain on topic, did anything happen on Saturday with her? News seems sporadic at best about her right now. Did the MSM stop showing her or am I just blind?
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Nah, I think the media has quit talking about hern. And all the talk is going to her making fun of the "haters". I think she's irrelevant now.
 
Turd Cow said:
Nah, I think the media has quit talking about hern. And all the talk is going to her making fun of the "haters". I think she's irrelevant now.
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According to reddit, she lead a march of 500,000 people in Cucked Canada recently. I suspect people will move on soon, which should be interesting seeing how her and her family react.

I smell lolcow.
 
Sheryl Nome said:
Yes i'm aware you don't understand that there are goods with inelastic demands and those with elastic demands.
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Given that the majority of my post was specifically focusing on the problem you create with inelastic demands, I'm forced to conclude either you didn't read my post, or you're a sanctimonious twit.

Sheryl Nome said:
Carbon tax literally works by taxing carbon, the price of your avocado toast doesn't go up as much as say, the price of jet fuel, because one produces a lot more CO2 than the other
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But the person who budgets things like "jet fuel" into their household expenses has a lot more room to absorb taxes on, say, jet fuel than someone who doesn't. But both of them still have to.

Good luck trying to tax one group high enough to be effective, without grinding the other underfoot. It isn't all that difficult to do with taxing things like income, but much harder to do with taxing resources consumption.

Sheryl Nome said:
Shocking that you find simple math so hard to understand.
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You haven't used math at all. You're using economics. Which might occasionally use math, but is not math itself. And you're using it poorly.


Sheryl Nome said:
Some taxes are more prone to avoidance than others. For instance if demand for your good is largely inelastic, like food, a corporation is obviously just going to pass that tax on to the consumer, because the consumer NEEDS food.
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To toss your own insult back at you, "durrr". Except, actually, you're not quite correct. Regardless of the elasticity of the demand, the corporation will just pass the tax on. That's how they function. They don't absorb the costs of taxes.

Sheryl Nome said:
Land taxes are also harder to avoid, and Carbon is likely a better metric to disincentive than almost anything else possible.
Or whatever, let everyone shit as much CO2 into the atmosphere as they like, the world over, nothing bad will happen.

I mean its either that or we nuke China and India which would help solve the problem too. Since they're the really problematic polluters in the long term and Greta and the rest of the climate cult's focus on the US and Europe is.. Pathetic.
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In this we agree, but not to the same extent. I really am content to sit back and let the world burn before I fuck my own country up chasing an impossible goal of cutting our carbon emissions down enough to compensate for China and India. We can't. We could stop 100% of our carbon emissions, and places like China and India would still be putting out so much it wouldn't matter.
 
I'm getting really sick of seeing this frothing potato posted endlessly on every goddamn social media site I shitpost on. The memes of her juxtaposed against child laborers are funny as shit sometimes, but there are still those spergs that will start screeching about how they've ALL had their childhood stolen.

Nobody stole Greta's childhood. She made a conscious decision to be a spergy activist. In other words, Greta stole Greta's childhood.

I'm starting to realize the 'stolen childhood' line is nothing but utter emotional manipulation. Which further cements my hypothesis that either Greta is a puppet of her parents, or isn't nearly the spud people make her out to be.
 
HTTP Error 404 said:
According to reddit, she lead a march of 500,000 people in Cucked Canada recently. I suspect people will move on soon, which should be interesting seeing how her and her family react.

I smell lolcow.
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She will slide into irrelevancy once election season picks up. They'll trot her out at some point to own Fpmurg, but that's the last the media will really talk about her.
 
ExceptionallyExceptional said:
I'm getting really sick of seeing this frothing potato posted endlessly on every goddamn social media site I shitpost on. The memes of her juxtaposed against child laborers are funny as shit sometimes, but there are still those spergs that will start screeching about how they've ALL had their childhood stolen.

Nobody stole Greta's childhood. She made a conscious decision to be a spergy activist. In other words, Greta stole Greta's childhood.

I'm starting to realize the 'stolen childhood' line is nothing but utter emotional manipulation. Which further cements my hypothesis that either Greta is a puppet of her parents, or isn't nearly the spud people make her out to be.
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Yeah, lots of kids got real childhood stolen by working in sweatshops, turning into young soldier, etc....
 
ExceptionallyExceptional said:
I'm getting really sick of seeing this frothing potato posted endlessly on every goddamn social media site I shitpost on. The memes of her juxtaposed against child laborers are funny as shit sometimes, but there are still those spergs that will start screeching about how they've ALL had their childhood stolen.

Nobody stole Greta's childhood. She made a conscious decision to be a spergy activist. In other words, Greta stole Greta's childhood.

I'm starting to realize the 'stolen childhood' line is nothing but utter emotional manipulation. Which further cements my hypothesis that either Greta is a puppet of her parents, or isn't nearly the spud people make her out to be.
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Lets be honest: Her parents made the choice. Not her.
 
HTTP Error 404 said:
According to reddit, she lead a march of 500,000 people in Cucked Canada recently. I suspect people will move on soon, which should be interesting seeing how her and her family react.

I smell lolcow.
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That many people produce a crapload of CO2 in one concentrated area.

Good job.
 
3119967d0c said:
Common misconception. Names ending in 'berg', like a number of other Germanic words, simply refer to a person's family's place of origin.

In the case of a certain group, when moving to set up a new business or flee an angry mob they would often adopt names suggesting they were local to the new area, both getting a little separation from the name they had previously been conducting business under, and perhaps deceiving some people from the area into thinking they were locals.

'Berg' names are simply more common among the Jews because there can only be so many 'Benjamin the Merchant's without confusion and suspicion arising, and so they tended towards the location-based names, and those amongst them who did do honest work and thus might have taken on a surname like Bauer (farmer) or Wagner (wagoner) tended to disproportionately assimilate into the native population over time. It doesn't mean that every 'Berg' is a Jew, and Greta is not one.
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A Chinese guy and a Jewish guy were sitting next to each other at a bar.

After hearing the Chinese guy talking on the phone about going to visit family in China, the inebriated Jew said, “You know, I really hate the Chinese.”

“What did the Chinese ever do to you?!” he shoots back.

“They bombed Pearl Harbor.”

“You idiot! It was the Japanese that bombed Pearl Harbor!”

“Whatever.” says the Jew. “Chinese, Japanese, it’s all the same.”

“Yeah, well, I really hate the Jews!” retorts the Chinese guy.

“Oh yeah?! And why is that?!”

“Jews sunk the Titanic!”

“Don’t be stupid,” says the Jew. “The Titanic was sunk by an iceberg.”

“Whatever,” says the Chinaman. “Iceberg, Goldberg, they’re all the same.”
Sheryl Nome said:
Let me put it to you this way.

Right now Pollution is free.

I want to create a price on pollution.
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THAT would sure show those scheming elites!
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Ha, as much as right wingers (like me) don't like Greta, I just knew it would be her so-called allies who'd come up with the most pathetic way to denigrate her: she's too white! Call the skin tone police!
 
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