Science Greta Thunberg Megathread - Dax Herrera says he wouldn't have a day ago (I somewhat doubt that)

Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? How can a 16-year-old girl in plaits, who has dedicated herself to the not-exactly sinister, authoritarian plot of trying to save the planet from extinction, inspire such incandescent rage?

Last week, she tweeted that she had arrived into New York after her two week transatlantic voyage: “Finally here. Thank you everyone who came to see me off in Plymouth, and everyone who welcomed me in New York! Now I’m going to rest for a few days, and on Friday I’m going to participate in the strike outside the UN”, before promptly giving a press conference in English. Yes, her second language.

Her remarks were immediately greeted with a barrage of jibes about virtue signalling, and snide remarks about the three crew members who will have to fly out to take the yacht home.

This shouldn’t need to be spelled out, but as some people don’t seem to have grasped it yet, we’ll give it a lash: Thunberg’s trip was an act of protest, not a sacred commandment or an instruction manual for the rest of us. Like all acts of protest, it was designed to be symbolic and provocative. For those who missed the point – and oh, how they missed the point – she retweeted someone else’s “friendly reminder” that: “You don’t need to spend two weeks on a boat to do your part to avert our climate emergency. You just need to do everything you can, with everyone you can, to change everything you can.”

Part of the reason she inspires such rage, of course, is blindingly obvious. Climate change is terrifying. The Amazon is burning. So too is the Savannah. Parts of the Arctic are on fire. Sea levels are rising. There are more vicious storms and wildfires and droughts and floods. Denial is easier than confronting the terrifying truth.

Then there’s the fact that we don’t like being made to feel bad about our life choices. That’s human nature. It’s why we sneer at vegans. It’s why we’re suspicious of sober people at parties. And if anything is likely to make you feel bad about your life choices -- as you jet back home after your third Ryanair European minibreak this season – it’ll be the sight of small-boned child subjecting herself to a fortnight being tossed about on the Atlantic, with only a bucket bearing a “Poo Only Please” sign by way of luxury, in order to make a point about climate change.

But that’s not virtue signalling, which anyone can indulge in. As Meghan Markle, Prince Harry, and their-four-private-jets-in-11-days found recently, virtue practising is a lot harder.

Even for someone who spends a lot of time on Twitter, some of the criticism levelled at Thunberg is astonishing. It is, simultaneously, the most vicious and the most fatuous kind of playground bullying. The Australian conservative climate change denier Andrew Bolt called her “deeply disturbed” and “freakishly influential” (the use of “freakish”, we can assume, was not incidental.) The former UKIP funder, Arron Banks, tweeted “Freaking yacht accidents do happen in August” (as above.) Brendan O’Neill of Spiked called her a “millenarian weirdo” (nope, still not incidental) in a piece that referred nastily to her “monotone voice” and “the look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes”.

But who’s the real freak – the activist whose determination has single-handedly started a powerful global movement for change, or the middle-aged man taunting a child with Asperger syndrome from behind the safety of their computer screens?

And that, of course, is the real reason why Greta Thunberg is so triggering. They can’t admit it even to themselves, so they ridicule her instead. But the truth is that they’re afraid of her. The poor dears are terrified of her as an individual, and of what she stands for – youth, determination, change.

She is part of a generation who won’t be cowed. She isn’t about to be shamed into submission by trolls. That’s not actually a look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes. It’s a look that says “you’re not relevant”.

The reason they taunt her with childish insults is because that’s all they’ve got. They’re out of ideas. They can’t dismantle her arguments, because she has science – and David Attenborough – on her side. They can’t win the debate with the persuasive force of their arguments, because these bargain bin cranks trade in jaded cynicism, not youthful passion. They can harangue her with snide tweets and hot take blogposts, but they won’t get a reaction because, frankly, she has bigger worries on her mind.

That’s not to say that we should accept everything Thunberg says without question. She is an idealist who is young enough to see the world in black and white. We need voices like hers. We should listen to what she has to say, without tuning the more moderate voices of dissent out.

Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? Because of what she represents. In an age when democracy is under assault, she hints at the emergency of new kind of power, a convergence of youth, popular protest and irrefutable science. And for her loudest detractors, she also represents something else: the sight of their impending obsolescence hurtling towards them.

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Found this thought-provoking indeed.

 

[Sheryl Nome]

If you buy anything in America from anywhere you're contributing the 70% of all oil use in America dedicated to the transportation sector, which is going to be a big part of where the cost get passed on to you and those less fortunate than you.

Honestly the worst 'transportation' is cargo ships and to really solve that we're gonna have to invent like, some way to power cargo ships without just letting them burn the shittiest oil they can find in international waters.

So we're probably doomed.

 

[AnOminous]

Honestly the worst 'transportation' is cargo ships and to really solve that we're gonna have to invent like, some way to power cargo ships without just letting them burn the shittiest oil they can find in international waters.

So we're probably doomed.

Per kg/km they're pretty good actually. And that oil is useless outside of that kind of industrial use anyway.

 

[Sheryl Nome]

Per kg/km they're pretty good actually. And that oil is useless outside of that kind of industrial use anyway.

I mean they're certainly better than trying to fly it all or smaller ships, since economy of scale and all that.

 

[MAPK phosphatase]

If you buy anything in America from anywhere you're contributing the 70% of all oil use in America dedicated to the transportation sector, which is going to be a big part of where the cost get passed on to you and those less fortunate than you.

That's why I stopped buying things and started stealing them. Checkmate environmentalists.

 

[Sheryl Nome]

That's why I stopped buying things and started stealing them. Checkmate environmentalists.

Based and responding to economics incentives pilled.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

Lolcow Styx talk of the elephant in the room of climate change: overpopulation. Talk to blacks to do less babies and no need to guess the upcoming reaction.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=LcWwDQRoBq4

Does that include telling that to the immigrants as well? Or to the Latin American countries?

 

[Sheryl Nome]

Does that include telling that to the immigrants as well? Or to the Latin American countries?

Oh no, only Whitey needs to not have kids. Even though white people are generally breeding below replacement and in the 3rd world countries they're breeding like fucking rabbits.

 

[heathercho]

Yes i'm aware you don't understand that there are goods with inelastic demands and those with elastic demands.
Carbon tax literally works by taxing carbon, the price of your avocado toast doesn't go up as much as say, the price of jet fuel, because one produces a lot more CO2 than the other

Shocking that you find simple math so hard to understand.


Some taxes are more prone to avoidance than others. For instance if demand for your good is largely inelastic, like food, a corporation is obviously just going to pass that tax on to the consumer, because the consumer NEEDS food.

Land taxes are also harder to avoid, and Carbon is likely a better metric to disincentive than almost anything else possible.
Or whatever, let everyone shit as much CO2 into the atmosphere as they like, the world over, nothing bad will happen.

I mean its either that or we nuke China and India which would help solve the problem too. Since they're the really problematic polluters in the long term and Greta and the rest of the climate cult's focus on the US and Europe is.. Pathetic.

The carbon tax industry already exists. It's owned by the exact people you would expect. The already exceedingly wealthy.
So you tax electricity. Who does it hurt the most? The already poor. The people who are already taking the least from society.
You tax water. You tax this that. Taxes fix jack shit. It only hurts the everyday person.

The only way "out" out of it is a nationalistic approach towards climate and economy.
You bring manufacturing back home. You legislate the standards. You incentivise good practice. You incentivise innovation. You create a sense of community and not division.
Each country is responsible for their own shit. No more fucking economy refugees. If their country is a shithole, then it's a shithole.
Incentivise nuclear energy research and application. Incentivise water treatment facilities and recycling.
Do everything the opposite to what bleating progressive fucktards say.

Taxing people just makes the divide between the poor and rich get larger and larger.

 

[Sheryl Nome]

The carbon tax industry already exists. It's owned by the exact people you would expect. The already exceedingly wealthy.
So you tax electricity. Who does it hurt the most? The already poor. The people who are already taking the least from society.
You tax water. You tax this that. Taxes fix jack shit. It only hurts the everyday person.

The only way "out" out of it is a nationalistic approach towards climate and economy.
You bring manufacturing back home. You legislate the standards. You incentivise good practice. You incentivise innovation. You create a sense of community and not division.
Each country is responsible for their own shit. No more fucking economy refugees. If their country is a shithole, then it's a shithole.
Incentivise nuclear energy research and application. Incentivise water treatment facilities and recycling.
Do everything the opposite to what bleating progressive fucktards say.

Taxing people just makes the divide between the poor and rich get larger and larger.

Taxes are an incentive mechanism. Do you think they're not?

 

[Crystal Golem]

Some taxes are more prone to avoidance than others.

So we just gotta hope the corrupt system we are in will make this one of the "good" taxes?

Or whatever, let everyone shit as much CO2 into the atmosphere as they like, the world over, nothing bad will happen.

Yes there is only an utterly un-transparent tax scheme or heating your house by burning styrofoam. Your superior mind has triumphed this day.

 

[heathercho]

Taxes are an incentive mechanism. Do you think they're not?

No, I don't. They are only passed down to the lowest common denominator.
I'm not motivated by my government purchasing "Carbon Credits" from some Rothschild backed consortium.

Rothschild, E3 launch carbon credit investment fund

SYDNEY - Rothschild Australia and Australia-based environmental group E3 International launched yesterday a new fund to allow highly polluting companies to offset their emissions by buying carbon credits from cleaner firms.

www.iatp.org

The investment bank said it was estimated that the global carbon trading market could be worth up to $150 billion by 2012.

So, no. You'd have to be a fucking moron to actually believe that money goes anywhere positive. Environmental communism achieves jack shit.

 

[Sheryl Nome]

Things costing more, not an incentive. Right. Lmao.

 

[AnOminous]

The only way "out" out of it is a nationalistic approach towards climate and economy.
You bring manufacturing back home. You legislate the standards. You incentivise good practice. You incentivise innovation. You create a sense of community and not division.

Hate to tell you but that's called socialism.

 

[X Prime]

Hate to tell you but that's called socialism.

Wouldn't what he's talking about be closer to some kind of, I don't know, national version of socialism?

 

[AlexGroans]

So what’s this racket about excessive taxation going on here? I thought this thread was about a 16-year-old being used to push a narrative.

To remain on topic, did anything happen on Saturday with her? News seems sporadic at best about her right now. Did the MSM stop showing her or am I just blind?

 

[Noideawhattopick]

Carbon Taxes do the opposite of obfuscating the cost of adding CO2 to the environment, to the contrary they make it very, very, very clear.

imagine a situation like this: the government sets a limit on Carbon emissions. Various companies are allowed a certain amount of emission per year. Well, some companies will produce more Pollution than others, so the big stinking Corporation must pay up right?
The Govenment hands out those licenses each year but it turns out the government loves to suck on the dick that ejaculates money. Companies can "rent" or even "sell" those licences every year between each other. In Effect it's an emissions-trading which is exactly what is happening in the european union since they implemented limits on carbon emissions on companies.

This is all crocky bullshit to have the citizen to buckle up more money for the state. Understandable with a population that has a fertility rate below replacement ratio.

as someone said a couple pages back: Greta is a tool of a cunt by the name of Rhemtsma who is kind of interested getting those carbon emissions taxes more prominent.

 

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Wouldn't what he's talking about be closer to some kind of, I don't know, national version of socialism?

Eco-Fascism. You must sacrifice for the good of the planet, and if you won't, we'll use government power to force you to.

 

[heathercho]

Hate to tell you but that's called socialism.

I've never seen a purely socialist country put their countries own interests ahead of anyone elses.

Besides, this isn't a socially activated thing. I don't propose distributing shit fairly, free market is fine. But a free market doesn't mean a global market. Just a national market. Buying carbon credits and carbon taxing does nothing whatsoever. It just kicks the can further down the road.

None of this matters whatsoever, because the UN don't want to worry about any of these small details, what they want is outlined - they want to make the GLOBAL economy fairly distributed. They don't want to preserve national sovereignty, they want this climate shit to level the playing field.

Wouldn't what he's talking about be closer to some kind of, I don't know, national version of socialism?

Don't misgender me you fat fuck, this is KF, a bastion of political correctness.

Besides, what is wrong with NatSoc? You have to admit, it WAS kind of effective. They got a lot done.
Imagine the research they could have done on the environmental impact of ovens if we let them?

 

[Keystone]

You shouldn't eat avocados because the demand by hipster assholes for them drove up the price so much that drug cartels swooped in, intimidated and/or murdered farmers who grew them, and took over the farms to make profits
on a level of what they make dealing drugs. So if you're buying avocados from south of the border, you're funding drug cartels.

Sounds like an interesting read. Any news sources?

 

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I've never seen a purely socialist country put their countries own interests ahead of anyone elses.

It has been done, and the results are beautiful.

Obviously, it is better that the national organization be based on something deeper, and personally I feel that a nation cannot achieve perfection without being driven by the religious impulse. But this must not neccessarily be exclusive- even my own Islamic Republic of Iran allows for the religious self-expression of Armenian Christians and other minorities, and the Leader honors their martyrs who fell alongside ours against the foreign-sponsored forces of the Hussein regime.

Likewise, I can only look with respect upon the primarily Christian martyrs of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party, or the brave boys of the Black Tigers of the Tamil resistance, mainly secularists of Hindu origin. These brave people gave their lives in service of their nations, and their sacrifice was honorable.