Science Greta Thunberg Megathread - Dax Herrera says he wouldn't have a day ago (I somewhat doubt that)

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Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? How can a 16-year-old girl in plaits, who has dedicated herself to the not-exactly sinister, authoritarian plot of trying to save the planet from extinction, inspire such incandescent rage?

Last week, she tweeted that she had arrived into New York after her two week transatlantic voyage: “Finally here. Thank you everyone who came to see me off in Plymouth, and everyone who welcomed me in New York! Now I’m going to rest for a few days, and on Friday I’m going to participate in the strike outside the UN”, before promptly giving a press conference in English. Yes, her second language.

Her remarks were immediately greeted with a barrage of jibes about virtue signalling, and snide remarks about the three crew members who will have to fly out to take the yacht home.

This shouldn’t need to be spelled out, but as some people don’t seem to have grasped it yet, we’ll give it a lash: Thunberg’s trip was an act of protest, not a sacred commandment or an instruction manual for the rest of us. Like all acts of protest, it was designed to be symbolic and provocative. For those who missed the point – and oh, how they missed the point – she retweeted someone else’s “friendly reminder” that: “You don’t need to spend two weeks on a boat to do your part to avert our climate emergency. You just need to do everything you can, with everyone you can, to change everything you can.”

Part of the reason she inspires such rage, of course, is blindingly obvious. Climate change is terrifying. The Amazon is burning. So too is the Savannah. Parts of the Arctic are on fire. Sea levels are rising. There are more vicious storms and wildfires and droughts and floods. Denial is easier than confronting the terrifying truth.

Then there’s the fact that we don’t like being made to feel bad about our life choices. That’s human nature. It’s why we sneer at vegans. It’s why we’re suspicious of sober people at parties. And if anything is likely to make you feel bad about your life choices -- as you jet back home after your third Ryanair European minibreak this season – it’ll be the sight of small-boned child subjecting herself to a fortnight being tossed about on the Atlantic, with only a bucket bearing a “Poo Only Please” sign by way of luxury, in order to make a point about climate change.

But that’s not virtue signalling, which anyone can indulge in. As Meghan Markle, Prince Harry, and their-four-private-jets-in-11-days found recently, virtue practising is a lot harder.

Even for someone who spends a lot of time on Twitter, some of the criticism levelled at Thunberg is astonishing. It is, simultaneously, the most vicious and the most fatuous kind of playground bullying. The Australian conservative climate change denier Andrew Bolt called her “deeply disturbed” and “freakishly influential” (the use of “freakish”, we can assume, was not incidental.) The former UKIP funder, Arron Banks, tweeted “Freaking yacht accidents do happen in August” (as above.) Brendan O’Neill of Spiked called her a “millenarian weirdo” (nope, still not incidental) in a piece that referred nastily to her “monotone voice” and “the look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes”.

But who’s the real freak – the activist whose determination has single-handedly started a powerful global movement for change, or the middle-aged man taunting a child with Asperger syndrome from behind the safety of their computer screens?

And that, of course, is the real reason why Greta Thunberg is so triggering. They can’t admit it even to themselves, so they ridicule her instead. But the truth is that they’re afraid of her. The poor dears are terrified of her as an individual, and of what she stands for – youth, determination, change.

She is part of a generation who won’t be cowed. She isn’t about to be shamed into submission by trolls. That’s not actually a look of apocalyptic dread in her eyes. It’s a look that says “you’re not relevant”.

The reason they taunt her with childish insults is because that’s all they’ve got. They’re out of ideas. They can’t dismantle her arguments, because she has science – and David Attenborough – on her side. They can’t win the debate with the persuasive force of their arguments, because these bargain bin cranks trade in jaded cynicism, not youthful passion. They can harangue her with snide tweets and hot take blogposts, but they won’t get a reaction because, frankly, she has bigger worries on her mind.

That’s not to say that we should accept everything Thunberg says without question. She is an idealist who is young enough to see the world in black and white. We need voices like hers. We should listen to what she has to say, without tuning the more moderate voices of dissent out.

Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? Because of what she represents. In an age when democracy is under assault, she hints at the emergency of new kind of power, a convergence of youth, popular protest and irrefutable science. And for her loudest detractors, she also represents something else: the sight of their impending obsolescence hurtling towards them.

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Irrelevant said:
Your confusion seems to stem from the fact that I didn't disagree with anything. I merely pointed out that microbeads are already banned in the US and parts of Europe and offered an explanation as to why even a climate change "denier" like Trump would sign off on it.

Is there a reason why this clarification of facts seems to have triggered you?
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It just confused me because you seemed to be disagreeing yet I couldn't find what you were claiming he got wrong. LIke... a difference without a distinction? Plus you quoted him asking a question, so I assumed I would find the answer to said question.

It's ok, I'm not really that triggered, just trying to figure out if you left something out. Now you clarified it, and everything is fine. Is there a reason why asking for a clarification of facts seems to have triggered you?
 
I guess the real story here is how much environmentalists have pissed away their credibility, especially if they have to resort to hiding behind a child throwing an autistic tantrum. That and the seductive nature of post-truth.

I remember hearing about "peak oil" back in the 80s, and it hasn't happened yet. And yeah, maybe me reusing a few shopping bags won't amount to a fart in the wind. Fair enough. I'm still going to keep doing it, but I'm not going to look down my nose at people who don't either.
 
Wallace said:
I guess the real story here is how much environmentalists have pissed away their credibility, especially if they have to resort to hiding behind a child throwing an autistic tantrum. That and the seductive nature of post-truth.

I remember hearing about "peak oil" back in the 80s, and it hasn't happened yet. And yeah, maybe me reusing a few shopping bags won't amount to a fart in the wind. Fair enough. I'm still going to keep doing it, but I'm not going to look down my nose at people who don't either.
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Oh they disproved the science of peak oil also in the 80s
 
Elon is just a self-aggrandizing Silicon Valley technocrat corporatist that slaps hip and cool-to-the-youth labels on himself like "socialist" or "anarchist" who thinks that whatever wealth he has is synonymous with his deluded view that he's more smart and important to the world than he actually is, just like all the fucking rest of his kind

That's why I never liked him
 
Hux said:
Elon is just a self-aggrandizing Silicon Valley technocrat corporatist that slaps hip and cool-to-the-youth labels on himself like "socialist" or "anarchist" who thinks that whatever wealth he has is synonymous with his deluded view that he's more smart and important to the world than he actually is, just like all the fucking rest of his kind

That's why I never liked him
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You just should have said he is a rent seeking parasite
 
Her speeches seem to be getting angrier with each one. She's about three or four speeches away from assaulting someone or having a breakdown on stage, possibly both.

I'm not as down on her as many are here. I think she's done a good job of mobilising people to give a shit about climate change. Not so much because of her specifically, I think a lot of people already did care, her protest (and the publicity driving her) was just the moment the floodgates opened, same with a lot of protests throughout history.

My biggest gripe is that people are looking at her rather than her message: not just the deniers trying to deny climate change is happening without actually saying it, but the people who purport to support her. In her latest speech she admonishes her audience and they respond with applause and cheering, not how I'd expect an audience that appreciates the gravity of her words to react. I feel for her to an extent - she clearly cares very much about the environment, even if she's over the top about it, and yet everyone is more interested in talking about her than the issue she champions.
 
Eleven pages Jesus Christ. What is it with this Greta kid that twists peoples' fucking panties so much?
She's a retard. Nothing she says holds any weight. Why does she provoke a response like this?
 
Snow Fox said:
Eleven pages Jesus Christ. What is it with this Greta kid that twists peoples' fucking panties so much?
She's a retard. Nothing she says holds any weight. Why does she provoke a response like this?
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The kavanaugh bullshit had hundreds upon hundreds of pages. What's with absolute mongs attempting the whole "oh, why are people so upset about this person they keep shoving in our faces"
If they didn't push her in front of congress, the UN, the press, people wouldn't give a shit, but if you make a child a public figure you can't act like people are mad for calling it stupid
 
LetterlandMafia said:
Her speeches seem to be getting angrier with each one. She's about three or four speeches away from assaulting someone or having a breakdown on stage, possibly both.

I'm not as down on her as many are here. I think she's done a good job of mobilising people to give a shit about climate change. Not so much because of her specifically, I think a lot of people already did care, her protest (and the publicity driving her) was just the moment the floodgates opened, same with a lot of protests throughout history.

My biggest gripe is that people are looking at her rather than her message: not just the deniers trying to deny climate change is happening without actually saying it, but the people who purport to support her. In her latest speech she admonishes her audience and they respond with applause and cheering, not how I'd expect an audience that appreciates the gravity of her words to react. I feel for her to an extent - she clearly cares very much about the environment, even if she's over the top about it, and yet everyone is more interested in talking about her than the issue she champions.
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She cares about making her parents happy by doing what they said. She can't care THAT much about the environment, she's just not informed enough. She doesn't champion anything.

She's part of the same latest astroturfed "climate change" campaign, she's not mobilizing, she's part of the same push. What exactly is she protesting?

How can you support her? Support what? Giving completely uninformed speeches full of buzzwords? That doesn't help anything. People feel like they paid their environmental dues by going to see her speak. She has no message to pay attention to, unless it's "Nothing you ever do will be good enough because the only thing to do is complain what people are doing isn't enough".

It's all bullshit feel-goodery. Or... feel-baddery, people like to be flagellated so they feel that they've paid for their sins. So they cheer the stupid little girl telling them they suck.

I mean really, what does Greta Thunberg want me, Dynastier, to do? She cares so much about the environment, people are paying more attention to her than her message, well tell me her message. Is it "Raise awareness"? "Donate money?" "Vote democrat"? "Implement a carbon tax"?

Please, tell me, the science has been settled for decades, or so I'm told. So what do we do?
 
Paleololicon said:
Worrying about climate change is dumb.
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At the rate the world is going, a massive war or plague seem more likely in wiping out a lot of humanity than a climate catastrophe. Climate predictions are notoriously bad.
 
Snow Fox said:
Eleven pages Jesus Christ. What is it with this Greta kid that twists peoples' fucking panties so much?
She's a retard. Nothing she says holds any weight. Why does she provoke a response like this?
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I don’t have the time right now to archive tweets, but I’ve seen several tweets comparing Greta to Jesus. One person even says they pray to her now. I checked out their history, and it is not a troll.
 
LetterlandMafia said:
- she clearly cares very much about the environment,
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A distorted funhouse-mirror version of it fed to her by handlers looking to promote their own self-interests.

So it's ultimately useless as it leads to behavior like building a unicorn sanctuary..... no matter how good your intentions, you just wasted time and money on something that won't do any good because the reality of the situation has been replaced by fantasy feel-good measures.

And soon, you're spending all your time going after those people who say unicorns aren't real instead of doing any real physical work, compounding your wasted efforts even more.
 
Elon used to give me a ladyboner but now that he's rooting for Greta he's just another idiot. The guy has six kids, how can he say he is fighting against climate change if the biggest problem is overpopulation?



Also Greta needs to fuck off to her hugbox.
 
i wish the left would stop telling us "peasants" how dirty we are and need to change. how about you send your child puppet to china or India and since they far more polluted then the west is.
 
I'm somehow skeptical on the climate change, like look, I believe in science (not a hard left fuck everything socialism is cool shit) ,I'm a Christian myself (not a hard right one) but this whole ,,drama'' is actually getting way out of hand. There is no doubt that there is pollution, heck, well known enviromental threatening countries like China produce things like crazy without thinking about consequences, but that's supported by alot (more like 99%) countries of the world, including USA. Where I live, the temperatures have risen over the past years, especially in the summer, but that might not be actually accurate on the whole debate.

What caught my attention is : "Let science be heard" thing, uuuhhhh, Mrs.Thunberg, science has been heard since ages, that's why we have PC's, relatively good medical care etc. If you have done your research as you tell people, then why don't you study more about the atomic experiments (let alone Hiroshima and Nagasaki) that have been done secretly, some of them not even known by many people, (etc) and their impact on nature and human kind? Isn't that part of science as well? And more specifically, what have YOU done to save THIS planet? Like, most of these leftist people only talk about the situation, but in any essence they are procrastinating on big money and NGO funding from obscure people... And if Trump is that bad, or anyone else from the political spectrum, then WHY you DON'T IGNORE THEM and do your own scientific expertise on the mater? It's not like you have the Gestapo on your ass stoping you. And lastly, if this is such a big deal or how ever you describe it, then why don't you and your other screaming little girls/furries/gays/etc including people who are involved in this circus as well, promote climate change for free? Afterall it is our planet and that sure matters million times more than getting your ''donations'' from the NGO's.
 
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