Disaster Grenfell Tower fire & fallout

DangerousGas · Jun 14, 2017

repentance said:
Strikes me as pretty similar cost to Sydney or the Bay Area in the US. That apartment block was located in one hella desirable location.

White City is not even a little bit desirable. Senseless loss of life aside, you'd be hard pressed to notice the difference once the building's stopped smouldering.

glass_houses · Jun 14, 2017

Fareal said:
Did someone add this link yet about the cladding? Interesting read

http://www.probyn-miers.com/perspec...rnal-cladding-panels-perspective-from-the-uk/

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

When I said before that the neighbouring buildings were fortunate that there wasn't enough wind to carry flamming debris and spread more fires, I had no clue how lucky they really were. The cladding panels are incredibly light and detach easily with aluminum melting at very low temperature, and when there's any sort of wind entire panels can be swept up and spread out.

There are people in first world countries who approved this shit for common use? What the fuck is wrong with them?

CWCissey · Jun 14, 2017

glass_houses said:
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

When I said before that the neighbouring buildings were fortunate that there wasn't enough wind to carry flamming debris and spread more fires, I had no clue how lucky they really were. The cladding panels are incredibly light and detach easily with aluminum melting at very low temperature, and when there's any sort of wind entire panels can be swept up and spread out.

There are people in first world countries who approved this shit for common use? What the fuck is wrong with them?

Corruption of the highest order!

captn_kettle · Jun 14, 2017

Currently have some Muslim on-screen going on about how Muslims were "trapped in there" and how they've raised money for the victims.

When did ISIS claim this fire?

Fareal · Jun 14, 2017

I'll just leave this here.

Idgaf about your politics or its economic flavour, if you don't accept that part of your responsibility as a minister of state is to keep people safe, I don't have any fucking time for you.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-minister-warned-beefing-up-10622601

glass_houses · Jun 14, 2017

My knowledge of building codes is nonexistent so I hope more experienced Kiwis will be able to provide more insight, but for what it's worth here's my uneducated analysis on this report. It was published in 2016, and provides a very brief overview of the serious safety concerns in the UK from the late 1980s to now.

These panels are a composite of metal and insulation, the insulation most often being polystyrene (EPS) polyurethane (PUR) polyisocyanurate (PIR) phenolic or mineral fibre.

EPS melts and burns, creating voids that allow oxygen in to feed the fire. Fire spreads throughout the panel very, very fast and eats everything in it, spreading quickly by not just flames, but also as molten droplets of EPS. In effect the fire spreads both up and down. When the EPS is consumed, the panel falls to pieces and collapses.

PUR does have a slight advantage in that it'll be somewhat resilient to a low intensity fire. If the fire is high intensity you're fucked, because the PUR is combustible, meaning that it likes being burned and will go up even faster than EPS, with the added bonus of releasing large amounts of black smoke and a number of different, highly toxic fumes. Delightful. Brittney Spears should consider licensing it and adding it to her perfume line.

PIR is similar to PUR but is harder to ignite and limits the fire's intensity even more, but when it gets hot enough it'll burn just like its sibling.

Phenolic foam and mineral fibres still have their own risks, but nothing on any of the polymers. The report notes that there has been a push towards the phenolic foam in the UK, but the various forms of polymer cladding are still in use. All of the polymers will burn at very low fire intensity, including the PIR.

Aside from the flames, the panels can be very dangerous to stand under. Two things can happen: one is that the facing comes off as the core burns, sending a sharp, toasty warm sheet of metal wafting gently through the air. Alternatively, the fixings under the panels can fail before the panel itself does, and the entire panel falls straight down on top of firefighters whose children are now orphans.

The external fire is spread like this:

1. Fire starts, either inside the building or outside it very nearby.
2. The fire worsens. If it's contained within the building it'll spread conventionally, the flames spreading by direct contact with the fuel, but in some cases it might be feeling playful and decides to show off by doing a flashover. What a scamp! If it does flashover and break outside of the room, the flames can jump around two metres away from the original fire.
3. The cladding will catch fire. The way it burns will depend on what the insulation core is made of, but the shape of the panel itself and the building behind it will also have a huge effect on how the fire travels and spreads.
4. As it travels up, windows, doors etc will let the fire go back into the building, setting each floor alight simultaneously.

The report sites fires in:

* Dubai in January 2016, February 2015 and November 2012. There were no casualties.

* China in February 2004 and November 2010. The 2004 fire had one casually, whilst the brutal 2010 fire killed fifty eight people and injured many others.

* UK, with major incidents in 1993, 1991, and 1999. The fires in 1993 and 1991 caused death.

The report notes that in cladding fires, the exterior of the building can be well alight before smoke reaches the fire alarms and the heat activates the sprinklers. In other words, if you suddenly cop a whiff of burning plastic, don't wait for the alarms to go off, just grab your kids and leg it downstairs as fast as you can because the whole building could be on fire without any warning systems going off at all.

There's a fuckton of problems trying to deal with flammable cladding.

Firstly there's testing. Tests run on the insulation, on the cladding, on the panel as a whole, and what have you. And as any lab tech will tell you, there are many, many ways of testing things. There are local methods, state methods, federal methods and international methods, all of them testing the exact fucking thing, but because each of the methods are different the results will all be different, even if they're all run side by side. Deciding which method to use can be hellish, as I can personally attest to in the first laboratory I ever worked in where we had five odd dedicated standard method folders in circulation at any one time. It got to the point where us techs used to have mild debates over which methods we preferred to use. Likewise, it appears that panel materials testing can be done with several different methods specified by different legislation and guidelines, both the UK's and international standards. The materials testing is the easy part; mechanical testing, the way the panel as a whole acts under different circumstances would involve a complex hodgepodge of disciplines and yes, specified methods.

Secondly are the legislation and regulation requirements, which are their own mess. The Building Regulations apply to the UK as a whole, and specify how buildings should be constructed in order to be safe and sound.

Okay, I can't keep my eyes open any longer. I have to go night night now. In the morning when I'm rested and caffeinated I can summarise the parts of the report that deal with legislation and requirements, and the details of an inquiry held in the late 1990s. Assuming anyone wants it of course.

Taily Puff · Jun 14, 2017

Fareal said:
Because I'm old:

Every kiwi reading this thread lives somewhere.

Do three things when you get home tonight.

Everything Fareal said, plus:

A surprising number of us kiwis have children. If your kids are old to get themselves out of the house, make absolutely sure they know how to do it, and to do it immediately if the fire alarm is going off. They're going to be panicking, and probably just waking up and confused and wanting you to tell them what to do. So make absolutely sure that they know this is not a situation where they're supposed to try to come find you, it's a situation where they are supposed to get the hell out of the house the fastest way they possibly can. And ideally let them know which neighbor they're supposed to run to so none of the vultures we unfortunately share the world with take the opportunity to snatch them if you haven't made it out yet.

And if your kid isn't old enough to get themselves out of the house, step 1 of your plan had better be "get to my kids so we can get out together".

Cosmos · Jun 14, 2017

There's already a Wikipedia article on this event. It turns out that, yep, this tragedy is the result of negligence and cut corners.

The cause of the fire is not yet known, but many residents complained about poor fire safety and other problems with the building, which was managed by Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation on behalf of the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea. The residents' organisation, Grenfell Action Group, had repeatedly warned of major fire safety lapses since 2013, and also noted past fires and fire-related incidents in similar blocks managed by the same company, which they felt were related to poor fire safeguards and management company fire policies, one of which was a directive telling residents to stay in their flats in case of fire. The group warned in November 2016 that only a "catastrophic" fire would finally force the block's management to treat fire precautions and maintenance of fire-related systems to a proper standard.[7]

There were significant safety concerns prior to the fire, with criticism levelled against the Kensington and Chelsea London Borough Council for fire safety and building maintenance. A residents' organisation, Grenfell Action Group, published a blog in which it highlighted major safety problems. In 2013, the group published a 2012 fire risk assessment done by a TMO Health and Safety Officer that revealed significant safety violations. Firefighting equipment at the tower had not been checked for up to four years; fire extinguishers on site were expired, and some had "condemned" written on them in large black letters because they were so old. The Grenfell Action Group documented its attempts to contact KCTMO management; they also alerted Timothy Coleridge, the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea (RBKC) Cabinet Member for Housing and Property, but never received a reply from him or his deputy, Laura Johnson.[7][18]

In a July 2014 Grenfell Tower regeneration newsletter, the KCTMO instructed residents to stay in the flat in case of a fire:[19]

Emergency fire arrangements
Our longstanding 'stay put' policy stays in force until you are told otherwise. This means that (unless there is a fire in your flat or in the hallway outside your flat) you should stay inside your flat. This is because Grenfell was designed according to rigorous fire safety standards. Also, the new front doors for each flat can withstand a fire for up to 30 minutes, which gives plenty of time for the fire brigade to arrive.

In November 2016, a residents' organisation, Grenfell Action Group, published online an article attacking KCTMO as an "evil, unprincipled, mini-mafia" and accusing the Borough Council of ignoring health and safety laws. The Group suggested that "only a catastrophic event will expose the ineptitude and incompetence of [KCTMO]". The group had also published articles criticising fire safety and maintenance practices at Grenfell Tower.[20][21][22]

In January 2016, the Grenfell Action Group warned of the possibility that people would be trapped in the building if a fire broke out, citing the fact that the building had only one entrance and exit, and corridors that were allowed to be filled with rubbish, such as old mattresses. The Group frequently cited other fires in tower blocks when it warned of the hazards at Grenfell.[23]

Immediately following the fire, it was being debated whether the cladding had somehow contributed to the disaster.[2]

Multiple residents said no fire alarms or sprinklers went off when the fire started.[1][33] Residents said they were alerted to the fire only by people screaming for help or knocks on the door and not by a fire alarm.[33] Others reported that they survived by ignoring the council's "stay put" policy, its directive instructing residents to remain in their flat in case of fire.[4]

After the fire, the Grenfell Action Group complained that its years of complaints had been ignored, posting a message on its website:[34][35]

"Regular readers of this blog will know that we have posted numerous warnings in recent years about the very poor fire safety standards at Grenfell Tower and elsewhere in RBKC. ALL OUR WARNINGS FELL ON DEAF EARS and we predicted that a catastrophe like this was inevitable and just a matter of time."

There was significant criticism about the new cladding around the building, that had been added for cosmetic purposes, had contributed to the speed in which the fire spread. Fire safety experts have pointed to the building's external cladding as a possible cause of the rapid spread of the fire.[37] Experts said the cladding essentially worked like a chimney in spreading the fire.[38] The cladding could be seen burning and melting, causing additional speculation that it was not made of fire resistant material.[2] One resident said, "The whole one side of the building was on fire. The cladding went up like a matchstick."[39]

Records show that a contractor installed "over-cladding with ACM cassette rainscreen" during the recent refurbishment at Grenfell Tower. The ACM stands for aluminium composite material, the combustibility of which depends on the choice of insulation core material.[40] Multiple major tower building fires have involved the same external cladding, including the 2009 Lakanal House fire in Camberwell, London, the 2009 Beijing Television Cultural Center fire and the 2015 fire at The Marina Torch, Dubai.[40]

Some residents have reported concern that the new cladding on the building was fixed onto it with wooden battens.[41] There is widespread concern amongst residents and fire safety experts about the increasing use of timber, even in high-rise buildings, which follows a change to the building regulations.[42][43]

Fareal · Jun 14, 2017

glass_houses said:
My knowledge of building codes is nonexistent so I hope more experienced Kiwis will be able to provide more insight, but for what it's worth here's my uneducated analysis on this report. It was published in 2016, and provides a very brief overview of the serious safety concerns in the UK from the late 1980s to now.

These panels are a composite of metal and insulation, the insulation most often being polystyrene (EPS) polyurethane (PUR) polyisocyanurate (PIR) phenolic or mineral fibre.

EPS melts and burns, creating voids that allow oxygen in to feed the fire. Fire spreads throughout the panel very, very fast and eats everything in it, spreading quickly by not just flames, but also as molten droplets of EPS. In effect the fire spreads both up and down. When the EPS is consumed, the panel falls to pieces and collapses.

PUR does have a slight advantage in that it'll be somewhat resilient to a low intensity fire. If the fire is high intensity you're fucked, because the PUR is combustible, meaning that it likes being burned and will go up even faster than EPS, with the added bonus of releasing large amounts of black smoke and a number of different, highly toxic fumes. Delightful. Brittney Spears should consider licensing it and adding it to her perfume line.

PIR is similar to PUR but is harder to ignite and limits the fire's intensity even more, but when it gets hot enough it'll burn just like its sibling.

Phenolic foam and mineral fibres still have their own risks, but nothing on any of the polymers. The report notes that there has been a push towards the phenolic foam in the UK, but the various forms of polymer cladding are still in use. All of the polymers will burn at very low fire intensity, including the PIR.

Aside from the flames, the panels can be very dangerous to stand under. Two things can happen: one is that the facing comes off as the core burns, sending a sharp, toasty warm sheet of metal wafting gently through the air. Alternatively, the fixings under the panels can fail before the panel itself does, and the entire panel falls straight down on top of firefighters whose children are now orphans.

The external fire is spread like this:

1. Fire starts, either inside the building or outside it very nearby.
2. The fire worsens. If it's contained within the building it'll spread conventionally, the flames spreading by direct contact with the fuel, but in some cases it might be feeling playful and decides to show off by doing a flashover. What a scamp! If it does flashover and break outside of the room, the flames can jump around two metres away from the original fire.
3. The cladding will catch fire. The way it burns will depend on what the insulation core is made of, but the shape of the panel itself and the building behind it will also have a huge effect on how the fire travels and spreads.
4. As it travels up, windows, doors etc will let the fire go back into the building, setting each floor alight simultaneously.

The report sites fires in:

* Dubai in January 2016, February 2015 and November 2012. There were no casualties.

* China in February 2004 and November 2010. The 2004 fire had one casually, whilst the brutal 2010 fire killed fifty eight people and injured many others.

* UK, with major incidents in 1993, 1991, and 1999. The fires in 1993 and 1991 caused death.

The report notes that in cladding fires, the exterior of the building can be well alight before smoke reaches the fire alarms and the heat activates the sprinklers. In other words, if you suddenly cop a whiff of burning plastic, don't wait for the alarms to go off, just grab your kids and leg it downstairs as fast as you can because the whole building could be on fire without any warning systems going off at all.

There's a fuckton of problems trying to deal with flammable cladding.

Firstly there's testing. Tests run on the insulation, on the cladding, on the panel as a whole, and what have you. And as any lab tech will tell you, there are many, many ways of testing things. There are local methods, state methods, federal methods and international methods, all of them testing the exact fucking thing, but because each of the methods are different the results will all be different, even if they're all run side by side. Deciding which method to use can be hellish, as I can personally attest to in the first laboratory I ever worked in where we had five odd dedicated standard method folders in circulation at any one time. It got to the point where us techs used to have mild debates over which methods we preferred to use. Likewise, it appears that panel materials testing can be done with several different methods specified by different legislation and guidelines, both the UK's and international standards. The materials testing is the easy part; mechanical testing, the way the panel as a whole acts under different circumstances would involve a complex hodgepodge of disciplines and yes, specified methods.

Secondly are the legislation and regulation requirements, which are their own mess. The Building Regulations apply to the UK as a whole, and specify how buildings should be constructed in order to be safe and sound.

Okay, I can't keep my eyes open any longer. I have to go night night now. In the morning when I'm rested and caffeinated I can summarise the parts of the report that deal with legislation and requirements, and the details of an inquiry held in the late 1990s. Assuming anyone wants it of course.

Thanks so much for this. I read the Probyn Miers stuff but I'm no architect so the technical details are a bit fuzzy on me.

There will, unquestionably, be a public inquiry into this. There needs to be a coroners inquiry, obviously, but the profile of this event, the high number of casualties (and probable fatalities), plus the very disturbing stuff emerging about how this has been a risk well known to relevant parties for a number of years makes it a lock, in my semi informed opinion, that there will be enough pressure for the government to grant a full public inquiry.

Someone is going to get their arse handed to them over this.

TopCat · Jun 14, 2017

‘It reminded me of 9/11’ Horrified witnesses recall panic at London tower blaze

captn_kettle · Jun 14, 2017

Taily Puff said:
Everything Fareal said, plus:

A surprising number of us kiwis have children. If your kids are old to get themselves out of the house, make absolutely sure they know how to do it, and to do it immediately if the fire alarm is going off. They're going to be panicking, and probably just waking up and confused and wanting you to tell them what to do. So make absolutely sure that they know this is not a situation where they're supposed to try to come find you, it's a situation where they are supposed to get the hell out of the house the fastest way they possibly can. And ideally let them know which neighbor they're supposed to run to so none of the vultures we unfortunately share the world with take the opportunity to snatch them if you haven't made it out yet.

And if your kid isn't old enough to get themselves out of the house, step 1 of your plan had better be "get to my kids so we can get out together".

Wait what's this? Kiwi Farms offering sensible, compassionate advice. I thought we were all scum sucking, evil, right wing, worse than hitler bastards.

In all seriousness though I do feel for the people who couldn't get out. I'm pretty lucky I got a bungalow with fire exits (doors or windows) in every room.

Just imagine if people were in there with their kids, trapped in a room knowing their time was up.

Hopefully the people responsible for this tower block going up so fast are dealt with.

TopCat · Jun 14, 2017

The death toll is now at 12 people and expected to rise.

Ravenor · Jun 14, 2017

TopCat said:
The death toll is now at 12 people and expected to rise.

They are estimating far higher than that by several orders of magnitude lot's of people are haven't reported in and not all the tenants were "officially" registered as such and the building is massive and seriously damaged so they havent began body recovery yet because there is a growing fear that the building may be that structurally unsound it may collapse.

melty · Jun 14, 2017

Fareal said:
Because I'm old:

Every kiwi reading this thread lives somewhere.

Do three things when you get home tonight.

- Check your smoke alarm. If you're thinking "don't have one lolz", this is not lolz. Get your arse on Amazon and buy one. They're not expensive. Your life is worth ten or fifteen quid. Get one and fit it. Test it AT LEAST twice a year. If you live in a place where the clocks change to summertime, test it when you change the clocks; that's an easy way to remember. If you have smoke alarms, test them tonight. Your smoke alarm is the thing that is going to save your life in the event of fire. Make bloody certain it works and its batteries are working.

- Think for five minutes about how you would get out of your house in the case of a fire. I mean, actually think. Most house fires start in the living room or kitchen. Most of them start at night. Assume you're asleep in bed, and a fire starts in your kitchen. Walk yourself mentally through how you're going to get out.

Remember smoke obscures visibility fast, and in a fire, the air at head height can be hot enough to burn your lungs irrecoverably. You will have serious difficulty orienting yourself even in somewhere as familiar as home. Assume you won't be able to stand up, and that you will be able to see very little.

Are the keys for the doors somewhere you can reach them in the event of a fire? In smoke and heat, you will need to get down on the floor and stay there as much as you can. You won't be able to find keys left 'somewhere in the kitchen' or 'on top of the fridge' or some other shit. Keep the keys where you can get them.

If there is shit - parcels, furniture, bikes - around your doorway and hallway that could potentially block your exit, move it tonight.

Have a plan and stick to it. The plan is, GET OUT NOW. You do not have time to stop for documents or grab a bag or go back for your phone or other shit. Your shit is replaceable. You are not. The fire services' advice has always been that you must be able to get everyone out in two minutes or less. Everyone. If you have kids or older people - especially kids, who are easily disoriented - living with you, they NEED to know how to get out. Most kids who die in fires are found hiding somewhere. Under a bed, in a wardrobe. They get scared and they hide and the fire service can't find them and that's how they die. They MUST know how to get out.

If your plan involves getting out via a window, buy those wee tools off Amazon that will break windows (they look like little punch tools), keep them somewhere near the window where they could be reached in the event of a fire, and make sure everyone who would need to break the window knows how to break the window and get out.

- Practice basic fire prevention. Most house fires are preventable. Turn shit you aren't using off at night. Don't run your tumble dryer unattended. No, really, do not run your tumble dryer unattended. If you must smoke inside, make sure to put all cigarettes out thoroughly. Don't put recently extinguished butts in a bin, especially last thing at night. Be careful about candles. Don't cover your electricals: don't put your phone on to charge and then put it under your pillow. Shut all doors at night. Your standard domestic door can withstand a fire on the other side of it for fifteen to twenty minutes - if it is closed. Close your doors.

I say, do these things tonight, because serious fires are not like an eviction. You do not get advance written warning that this is the night that you will wake up confused and frightened in a smoky house and not know how to get out, and falling over stuff whilst disoriented. Assuming your smoke alarm is working, of course. Otherwise you won't even wake up.

This could be the night. Know how to save your life, and the lives of those you are responsible for.

This is my biggest fear. And my second biggest fear is not being able to get my cat out.
Our fire alarms are super easily triggered so I've been woken up multiple times by them. It happens so often I don't leave the apartment which is kind of scary. But I do know that my cat will run into our bedroom when they go off which makes me very happy because then I don't have to look for her. I've read somewhere that if your cat hides or goes to a high place you're screwed.
Also we have sprinklers and those big metal doors that swing shut.
This whole thing is horrifying. I hope some of the people who didn't get out weren't woken up. I don't think you notice if you die in your sleep in a fire (could be wrong on that though)

I had a friend who had an apartment fire. People always say they have a favorite photo etc they would get if there was a fire... there was NO time. There was a favorite dress of her like a foot away and she could NOT grab it. She just ran to her balcony with her boyfriend and curled up and thought she was going to die. But the fire department saved her. So none of that "three things you would grab" bullshit. She had a different attitude about possessions afterward anyway.

Somehow it didn't help Chris though :alog:

melty · Jun 14, 2017

I read somewhere people were throwing small children out windows. Someone threw a baby out of a window and someone on the sidewalk caught it.
Someone is gonna get guillotined over this.

Kari Kamiya · Jun 14, 2017

melty said:
I read somewhere people were throwing small children out windows. Someone threw a baby out of a window and someone on the sidewalk caught it.
Someone is gonna get guillotined over this.

Yeah, there was a 17-year-old witness who saw three young children being dropped from the 15th floor, but the article I read said their fates are unknown.

:'(

repentance · Jun 14, 2017

DangerousGas said:
White City is not even a little bit desirable. Senseless loss of life aside, you'd be hard pressed to notice the difference once the building's stopped smouldering.

Looking at what it's near, I'm surprised by that. I would have expected it to be a prime target for gentrification/urban renewal.

glass_houses said:
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

When I said before that the neighbouring buildings were fortunate that there wasn't enough wind to carry flamming debris and spread more fires, I had no clue how lucky they really were. The cladding panels are incredibly light and detach easily with aluminum melting at very low temperature, and when there's any sort of wind entire panels can be swept up and spread out.

There are people in first world countries who approved this shit for common use? What the fuck is wrong with them?

There was a tower building with similar cladding which caught fire here (no loss of life, thankfully). The justifications about why exemptions were granted to allow it are sickening. The builders are pretty much saying "it was the tenant's fault", not "we shouldn't have used something which acts like an accelerant if there's a fire".

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/l...-repair-bill-from-owners-20161226-gti2b6.html

Despite what people think, in many places building regulations have been weakened. Here, almost no building trades require a licence these days and responsibility for oversight has largely shifted from government to private enterprise.

Also, risk mitigation doesn't work the way people would intuitively think. You don't spend every cent possible to avoid worst case scenarios if it would cost you more to do so than the cost of the worst case scenario happening. The goal is relative, rather than absolute, safety so lowering the bar from that is potentially catastrophic most of the time.

The issue here isn't that this was foreseeable as a possibility. It's that it was a *likely* possibility (as was a balcony fire in the Melbourne building mentioned above).

Varg Did Nothing Wrong · Jun 14, 2017

Fuck, I'd rather have bare fucking concrete slabs a la Soviet buildings than fucking chunks of plastic that will cause my building to catch fire like a goddamn bonfire.

melty · Jun 14, 2017

Reading more about this gives me shades of the flint water crisis (which people are finally getting manslaughter charges over)
Multiple warnings. Desperate residents. There really are blog posts going back years specifically about a fire hazard.
At one point a post shows debris partially blocking the only escape route.
And they recently posted signs saying that residents should stay in their flat in case of fire.
The only thing they could have done worse was just lighting it on fire themselves.

Varg Did Nothing Wrong · Jun 14, 2017

melty said:
Reading more about this gives me shades of the flint water crisis (which people are finally getting manslaughter charges over)
Multiple warnings. Desperate residents. There really are blog posts going back years specifically about a fire hazard.
At one point a post shows debris partially blocking the only escape route.
And they recently posted signs saying that residents should stay in their flat in case of fire.
The only thing they could have done worse was just lighting it on fire themselves.

Someone's likely going to get 3 years in prison for this. Maybe probation because hey, not a violent offense.

Justice served.

:stress:

Disaster Grenfell Tower fire & fallout

DangerousGas

Societal Eschatologist

glass_houses

open your food tract, mammal

CWCissey

Charming Man

captn_kettle

Fareal

will definitely consider what you have said

glass_houses

open your food tract, mammal

Taily Puff

Ready to Begin

Cosmos

Soldier of Love and Bitching on the Internet

Fareal

will definitely consider what you have said

TopCat

captn_kettle

TopCat

Ravenor

Purge.

melty

melty

Kari Kamiya

Be My Familiar

repentance

despicable fetishistic fascist whore

Varg Did Nothing Wrong

melty

Varg Did Nothing Wrong