Grand Theft Auto Grieving Thread - Yep, I've been drinkin' again...

[Friendly Primarina]

It's called "taunting." I fail to see how that's a gotcha.

Just seems hypocritical to make a big deal out of a character killing racists then being "ME LIKA DA FLIED LICE" at a Chinese person.

 

[Fuck Y'all]

>everyone here is coping and seething that R* gone woke

the writing was on wall since 2020

anyway, GTAF speds trying to prove that "ackchyually GTA never was edgy and always mocked chuds"

it's over for rockstarbros, I guess

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

the writing was on wall since 2020

I think the writing was on the wall since RDR 2 tbqh. The argument could be made for GTA V, but Michael basically not giving a fuck makes the woke/PC shit in it more of a setup IMO.

It's called "taunting." I fail to see how that's a gotcha.

Every single racial slur is a taunt. Are you honestly trying to say it is okay to say beaner, chink, nigger, heeb, cracker, slope, wetback, jap, kike, etc as long as it is in the proper context of trying to piss someone off?

 

[The Last Stand]

Every single racial slur is a taunt. Are you honestly trying to say it is okay to say beaner, chink, nigger, heeb, cracker, slope, wetback, jap, kike, etc as long as it is in the proper context of trying to piss someone off?

No. You're overthinking this. They're criminals. That exchange between Trevor and Mr. Cheng was a one time thing. I didn't immediately think after that: "Trevor hates Chinese people; he's a bigoted White man."

Perhaps I'm used to Mafia II being racially insensitive with their slurs given its 40s-50s time period.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

No. You're overthinking this. They're criminals. That exchange between Trevor and Mr. Cheng was a one time thing. I didn't immediately think after that: "Trevor hates Chinese people; he's a bigoted White man."

But we're talking about people who are trying to champion Trevor as some sort of progressive character. They would normally act that way where the second you do *anything* racist you're the worst person in the world...until suddenly they need to make GTA out to have always been woke or some stupid shit like that.

Nobody should look at Trevor and see a racist person or a progressive person, they should look at Trevor and see a horribly mentally ill person. Then again, I guess that is why they would want to champion him...

Out of everything I've seen so far, shit like this is the most worrying. It means the fanbase is becoming pozzed. At least Saints Row fans didn't try to justify the change with the reboot.

 

[The Last Stand]

But we're talking about people who are trying to champion Trevor as some sort of progressive character. They would normally act that way where the second you do *anything* racist you're the worst person in the world...until suddenly they need to make GTA out to have always been woke or some stupid shit like that.

Nobody should look at Trevor and see a racist person or a progressive person, they should look at Trevor and see a horribly mentally ill person. Then again, I guess that is why they would want to champion him...

Out of everything I've seen so far, shit like this is the most worrying. It means the fanbase is becoming pozzed. At least Saints Row fans didn't try to justify the change with the reboot.

Oh, I thought that was YOUR argument. My bad. I don't see why they're using TREVOR of all people to push some social agenda. IN a GTA game no less.

In my head, I'm thinking: Why am I arguing about this?

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

In my head, I'm thinking: Why am I arguing about this?

I dunno.

You're like "that's not a gotcha" but I don't see how that is anything but a gotcha with these kinds of people.

 

[The Last Stand]

You're like "that's not a gotcha" but I don't see how that is anything but a gotcha with these kinds of people.

I'm overall confused about that whole argument.

I was going to cite the Lost and Damned as one example of characters outright being racist to one another. Billy Grey and Brian Jeremy being anti-Semetic towards Johnny Klebitz.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

I'm overall confused about that whole argument.

I was going to cite the Lost and Damned as one example of characters outright being racist to one another. Billy Grey and Brian Jeremy being anti-Semetic towards Johnny Klebitz.

I didn't even realize we were arguing. I'm just saying I think it's a good gotcha towards these people, although I'd personally stick with "you're propping up a mentally ill sexual abuser/cannibal/murderer as someone worth looking up to?"

Speaking of Lost and Damned though, it's kind of funny that outside of TLAD The Lost are portrayed as completely white. To the point that they changed Jim just for the DLC. I know some would claim this is because Rockstar was always a bit woke or whatever, but I think it has more to do with Rockstars writers having a problem with trying to make their criminal protagonists too likable.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

I didn't even realize we were arguing. I'm just saying I think it's a good gotcha towards these people, although I'd personally stick with "you're propping up a mentally ill sexual abuser/cannibal/murderer as someone worth looking up to?"

Speaking of Lost and Damned though, it's kind of funny that outside of TLAD The Lost are portrayed as completely white. To the point that they changed Jim just for the DLC. I know some would claim this is because Rockstar was always a bit woke or whatever, but I think it has more to do with Rockstars writers having a problem with trying to make their criminal protagonists too likable.

Idk if is Rockstar's little wokeness but remember the DLC's were in alpha/beta stage when GTA IV was released.
Johnny Kleibtz from GTA IV seemed different, unlike TLaD. Gay Tony suffered some changes between IV and TBoGT.
And i'm sure Jim's case was an actual oversight, since i read somewhere about the TLaD model being in GTA IV archives, like with the exclusive TLaD bikes in beta stage.
But i can be wrong.

 

[The Last Stand]

Speaking of Lost and Damned though, it's kind of funny that outside of TLAD The Lost are portrayed as completely white. To the point that they changed Jim just for the DLC. I know some would claim this is because Rockstar was always a bit woke or whatever, but I think it has more to do with Rockstars writers having a problem with trying to make their criminal protagonists too likable.

I found it a nod that The Lost were more tolerant than their archenemy, The Angels of Death. Well, Johnny in particular.

I feel the Angels of Death should've been the biker gang in V, not the Lost. I guess somebody in R* hated TLaD.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

And i'm sure Jim's case was an actual oversight, since i read somewhere about the TLaD model being in GTA IV archives, like with the exclusive TLaD bikes in beta stage.
But i can be wrong.

The model in GTA IV is actually named "jim_fitz"

It wasn't an oversight, it was a change.

I found it a nod that The Lost were more tolerant than their archenemy, The Angels of Death. Well, Johnny in particular.

That's what I'm saying though. Nothing about The Lost shows them to be tolerant outside of The Lost and Damned with Johnny. They straight up changed a white character to black, and then when you look into Clay you notice that he feels like he was thrown in very last minute. He has almost no presence or lines in cutscenes, he has no entry in the LCPD database.

I'm not saying it's wokeness necessarily, but there was clearly some sort of apprehension when it came to Johnny and The Lost and Damned. I think all of The Lost NPC's in GTA IV were fat dudes with huge beards tbqh. Your stereotypical biker.

I can't remember off the top of my head if there were any actual black NPC's in the Lost in GTA V to reflect the change after TLAD, I don't recall them and I've had to fight the Lost a lot the past few weeks playing GTA Online, but at the same time I wasn't actually paying attention or anything since I just thought about this now. I have noticed now that there are a lot of women in The Lost which is kind of jarring for a biker gang, but this was something they did with all the gangs in GTA V I think so whatever, they're just sluts hanging and banging with them I guess.

Saying all this, I just found all this with the Lost to be interesting. It didn't leap out at me while I was playing TLAD or anything. Meanwhile Trevors Civil Border Patrol missions were cringe even back in 2013.

 

[The Last Stand]

They straight up changed a white character to black, and then when you look into Clay you notice that he feels like he was thrown in very last minute. He has almost no presence or lines in cutscenes, he has no entry in the LCPD database.

What's more interesting is that Huang Lee, the protagonist from GTA: Chinatown Wars, has a LCPD database entry. I never even noticed that. Clay is more developed than Terry, but is just a background character.

I remember Playboy X claiming that "all those bikers are racist as shit." Never mind that Jim is friends with Malc.

 

[Mr. 0]

The model in GTA IV is actually named "jim_fitz"

It wasn't an oversight, it was a change.

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JIM OF TWO WORLDS

What's more interesting is that Huang Lee, the protagonist from GTA: Chinatown Wars, has a LCPD database entry. I never even noticed that. Clay is more developed than Terry, but is just a background character.

I remember Playboy X claiming that "all those bikers are racist as shit." Never mind that Jim is friends with Malc.

We also have to keep in mind there was a bunch of shit cut from IV so I wouldn't doubt that a bunch of stuff fell by the wayside as changes were made, even if in the final product you could write stuff like that off as Playboy X being dumb like he usually is. Chinatown Wars was probably in development during that time so his entry might have been a sneak preview. Clay probably took the spot of someone else early in development of the DLC and it wasn't completely changed to reflect that. Maybe Jason Michaels? He got a whole new model and he got included in the intro, even though he was barely featured in the main game.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

I don't think Clay replaced anyone. Like I said, he doesn't have lines or feature promeniently in mo capped cutscenes so I feel like he was added in after the fact and they just made up with it by having him feature more in gameplay.

Funny enough, Clay was featured in the very first screenshots released. Out of everyone, it seems like he and Jim had the least amount of changes from the initial announcement. IIRC people have figured out that the guy in the first pic with Clay was the original model for Terry.

 

[The Last Stand]

I don't think Clay replaced anyone. Like I said, he doesn't have lines or feature promeniently in mo capped cutscenes so I feel like he was added in after the fact and they just made up with it by having him feature more in gameplay.

Only piece of lore I remember about Clay was that he was involved in Saigon.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

Meme Mutahar decides to want to meet in the middle and try to rationalize on whether or not Grand Theft Auto VI has gone “woke”.

 

[The Last Stand]

Game's not even out yet, and people are already talking about it all day. I wouldn't be surprised that R* is making BANK off of word of mouth.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

Game's not even out yet, and people are already talking about it all day. I wouldn't be surprised that R* is making BANK off of word of mouth.

Controversy is controversy. No matter what kind Rockstar will bank on it.

Edit: Game journos seem pretty desperate to generate clicks. It seems like everyone saying anything gets an article now.

GTA 6 Leaker Reveals How Big the Map Is

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

going to go on a limb and say that the scrapped 3rd and 4th protagonist had post story gameplay that revolved around empire building and it is being repurposed/held back for gta online 2