Grand Jury speculation thread

[Lancelot]

We're talking about mental retardation here, not autism. That said, I know a number of humble autists, and I believe Chris would still be an asshole even were he not "high functioning".

Okay well I apologise for using the term "tard" colloquially and somewhat dismissively. Technically tard is a specific designation based off IQ range and in our case we are referring to people with mental handicaps that inhibit normal growth and functioning within the world.

Except the only person who could have fixed him is Chris himself. The fact that Borb (mostly Barb) largely protected him from seeing the need to fix his shit doesn't change that. Years later, long after the influence of Borb has waned, Chris still refuses to fix his shit.

Thats the issue where this gets complicated. As I have mentioned before I agree with you insofar as ultimate culpability is with chris. Generally speaking it does people a great disservice in terms of their agency to simply allow their actions to be excused because of their upbringing. So as I said previously I do think he should face genuine repercussions for what he has done.

You are also right in thinking chris SHOULD have taken it upon himself to fix himself. The issue is the person he is now would never do that because :

1: He doesnt really think there is anything TO fix

2: He is a 40 year old sperg with almost zero work experience, famous as being a sex pest and creep, zero medium to long term goal setting, and lives almost entirely in a fantasy world

I dont think that can be really fixed now; MAYBE at best the shock of actual prison, realising his sanctuary is gone at home, and more than likely several years in some sort of sperg home might mitigate some of what he is now. But that again is radical external action, not his own decision process. I actually agree with some of what you said earlier regarding chris sharing narcissism traits with his long lost brother . Chris likely would still have ended up being a bit of an asshole. However I firmly believe with genuine external treatment early in life, and actual expectations and routines laid upon chris; that He could have turned out as an actual functional autist with some ability to evaluate himself and function in the world if simply through routines set in his foundational years of life.

Trolls tried. Most of the early trolling was trying to get Chris to stop being such a fuckup (and then laughing at him when he failed).

Im not sure online trolls getting chris to shove a sonichu medallion up his ass are in it for his best interest lol. Plus whether or not trolling is for a "good purpose " or not is kinda irrelevant. If I follow a fatass around in highschool for several years calling him tubby, and lardo while slapping his man tits; Sure you could say im doing that to encourage him to better himself. It might still end up in the dude killing himself as a result

The alleged interests of the trolls is irrelevant. They undeniably had a bad influence on him as did chris chans entire online life to be honest.

More importantly, Bob did. Barb was (and is) largely useless, but Bob definitely tried. Over and over and over and over.

I just dont see that at all. Dude bob couldnt even stand up to barb. They lived in a horders rat den for years. This is not REMOTELY trying. This is a sign of having given up and waiting to die .

Bob refused school officials trying to repeatedly get chris in special program
Refused to even acknowledge chris had issues that needed treatment.
Only once ever forced chris to get a job and never pressed him before or after.
Ultimately despite knowing chris was on the internet still never simply forced him off.

He hilariously confronted chris and told him to pull things down from online. But never simpy shut off the internet connection he paid for.

He did nothing

Yes, Chris is easily influenced, but only to do things he is already inclined to do. You will never be able to ween him into adulthood.

Its easier to influence anyone to do something they want to do. I truly dont think chris chan wanted to shove his sonichu medallion up his ass.

I am not going digging through examples of shit trolls have got him to do though.

Irrelevant. Chris did not go to work at Wendy's voluntarily. If Bob hadn't forced Chris to go to Wendy's, he never would have worked there at all. Bob likely tried to force him to get a job multiple times, but after Wendy's it either became apparent Chris was a lost cause, employment wise, or Chris simply refused. What do you expect Bob to do then? Beat Chris until he applies somewhere else? There's a limit to the authority Bob had over Chris, and that was not Bob's fault.

Well; first as I said I am aware that bob got him to get the wendys job. That was one job in 12 odd years of adulthood that bob ever forced him to get, that lasted a few months. "he is a lot cause " is a lazy excuse to continue never trying.

"chris simply refused " You do realise if an offspring refuses to abide by your rules options DO exist. This isnt the first time in human history such an event has occured.
Ultimatums and then action.

"Get a job or I am cancelling the internet for the house. "

"Get a job or im throwing out your toys "


"You get a job or you are on the street"

The fact that he knows you will take the actions you say you will mean that it will almost certainly never come to kicking him out. One day on the street though and he would undoubtedly break. He has literally nowhere else to go and simply the tossing some of his toys probably would have worked. There is no evidence bob did anything remotely near to this. As usual like with barb, bob only ever gave a token effort towards anything , and then just accepted mediocrity. I guess chris really is his child then

Every time you claim Chris is a result of choices other than his own. Bob didn't cause Chris to be Chris. Barb didn't cause Chris to be Chris. Society didn't cause Chris to be Chris. Even with the best upbringing possible (and Chris' was far from the worst) Chris' choices would still have made him into Chris.

how do you know that though ?

Chris chan was raised in a rat den with a mom who threatened to open up her wrists if they tried cleaning the house, and a dad who instead of letting chris chan go through special education thought he was doing his job by paying a chick to pretend to be his friend m and one in chris's life ever making him get a job.

I just dont see how one can conclude that some magical way mummy poon is so irresistible that no amount of special education, healthy upbringing , and long term employment could ever prevent chris from trooning out and fucking his mom .

Yes, I never said they didn't, but it's not nearly as common as it used to be, and it's not used for as wide a spectrum of maladies as it once was. (Seriously, they even tried using ECT for PMS - the fuck were they thinking?) Also ECT is very, very rarely used these days before meds have been given a chance to work their magic first. For what it's worth, they also still do lobotomies (they just don't call them that).

As I recall the only thing they ever do "lobotomies" now is for shit like constant grand mal seizures stemming from the frontal lobe. Its not done for treatment of personality issues ( least that i know of in the west)

 

[Bent_Duck]

What if his soulbonding is just Chris masturbating in front of Barb? She doesn't get facial or anything, is it still a crime?

What if it's just Barb masturbating in front of Chris?

Legally no. They can only keep him locked up if it involved penetration. It was explaimed by someone else in a different thread in detail.

Doesn't have to be penetration, it's more about what stuff contacts what. There's a statute against penis-in-vagina, and one for any oral contact (however slight) with penis/vagina/anus that also covers penis-in-anus. There's no statute against hand touching stuff (as long as it was with consenting adults), so for instance Barb jerking Chris off would be legal, and Chris fingering barb would be legal even if it involved penetration.

So dragging his sack across her face is fair game?

 

[Pointless Sperg]

What if it's just Barb masturbating in front of Chris?

That would be legal if it were consensual.

So dragging his sack across her face is fair game?

Oooo that's a good question. I can't find a definition of fellatio in Virginia code, so there's probably a generally used definition buried in case law. If it had even the slightest contact with her lips, they might try to litigate it. The issue is if "fellatio" requires involvement of the penis. Otherwise, it seems like it's probably legal.

EDIT: It should be noted that the "Crimes Against Nature" statute this falls under technically banned *ALL* oral sex in the state of Virginia until 2014.

 

[FinnSven]

That would be legal if it were consensual.



Oooo that's a good question. I can't find a definition of fellatio in Virginia code, so there's probably a generally used definition buried in case law. If it had even the slightest contact with her lips, they might try to litigate it. The issue is if "fellatio" requires involvement of the penis. Otherwise, it seems like it's probably legal.

EDIT: It should be noted that the "Crimes Against Nature" statute this falls under technically banned *ALL* oral sex in the state of Virginia until 2014.

Surely Chris is bang to rights then?

His entire life has been a crime against nature.

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

EDIT: It should be noted that the "Crimes Against Nature" statute this falls under technically banned *ALL* oral sex in the state of Virginia until 2014.

Maybe Virginia is for Virgins after all

 

[AnOminous]

EDIT: It should be noted that the "Crimes Against Nature" statute this falls under technically banned *ALL* oral sex in the state of Virginia until 2014.

Which since it was done subsequent to Lawrence v. Texas either makes it fairly egregiously unconstitutional and void or, more likely, unconstitutional if interpreted in that manner. If there's any wriggle room for an interpretation consistent with Lawrence they'll probably go for it.

 

[A-№1]

Thats the issue where this gets complicated.

No. It's actually very, very simple.

As I have mentioned before I agree with you insofar as ultimate culpability is with chris.

No again. ALL culpability is with Chris.

You are 100% responsible for your life. Chris is 100% responsible for his.

A poor upbringing is something for Chris to overcome. That is 100% on him. Instead he chooses to wallow in it.

The issue is the person he is now would never do that because :

1: He doesnt really think there is anything TO fix

2: He is a 40 year old sperg with almost zero work experience, famous as being a sex pest and creep, zero medium to long term goal setting, and lives almost entirely in a fantasy world

And those are 100% Chris' fault.

MAYBE at best the shock of actual prison, realising his sanctuary is gone at home, and more than likely several years in some sort of sperg home might mitigate some of what he is now.

No. He will blame all that on mean people, never on his own poor choices.

However the streets will fix him, because they have no pity and no concern for his well being or comfort . His choices there will have immediate consequences.

Im not sure online trolls getting chris to shove a sonichu medallion up his ass are in it for his best interest lol.

That was a ween. An early ween, but ween nonetheless.

If I follow a fatass around in highschool for several years calling him tubby, and lardo while slapping his man tits; Sure you could say im doing that to encourage him to better himself. It might still end up in the dude killing himself as a result

That's his choice.

Bob refused school officials trying to repeatedly get chris in special program

Was that Bob or was that Bob going along with Barb to get some peace and quiet at home?

Only once ever forced chris to get a job and never pressed him before or after.

That we know of. I suspect Bob made Chris apply at a number of locations. All we really know is that Wendy's was the only one to actually offer Chris a job (more fool them).

Honestly, what are the odds? That Bob only ever made Chris apply at Wendy's, and somehow, miraculously, Chris was offered a job from the very first place he applied? Or is it more probable that Bob made Chris apply for a job at many, many different places (such as everywhere with a "help wanted" sign) and finally only high-turnover Wendy's took the bait?

Ultimately despite knowing chris was on the internet still never simply forced him off.

Bob never really understood the internet.

He hilariously confronted chris and told him to pull things down from online. But never simpy shut off the internet connection he paid for.

How could Chris remove things from the internet without an internet connection? Again, Bob didn't really understand the internet.

He did nothing

Correction: Bob accomplished nothing. You can't claim beyond that, and that's all on Chris. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Its easier to influence anyone to do something they want to do. I truly dont think chris chan wanted to shove his sonichu medallion up his ass.

Really? You do know about the other things Chris has done with his ass, right? Shoving some dried play dough up there is chicken feed by comparison.

I am not going digging through examples of shit trolls have got him to do though.

The worst things Chris has ever done he came up with all on his own.

Well; first as I said I am aware that bob got him to get the wendys job. That was one job in 12 odd years of adulthood that bob ever forced him to get, that lasted a few months.

Again, we only know that it was the only real job in twelve years that actually hired Chris. We do not know how many applications Bob made Chris make.

You do realise if an offspring refuses to abide by your rules options DO exist.

Not if you're trapped in Baby Jail and your wife countermands them. We know Barb used the threat of divorce against Bob.

One day on the street though and he would undoubtedly break.

As we will eventually see, now that Barb is disinclined to rescue Babby Chris.

bob only ever gave a token effort towards anything , and then just accepted mediocrity.

You don't know that. You can't claim that.

All anyone knows for certain is that Bob's efforts accomplished fuck all, but that's entirely on Chris.

Look at Bob's other children. How could Bob's parenting have been so successful there, but failed so badly with Chris? Well the difference is Chris, not Bob.

how do you know that though ?

Consider Chris' choices. How could you possibly think they could have resulted better?

Seriously, Chris CHOSE to fuck Barb. Nobody else made that choice for him. In what universe was that going to end well for him? And the same is true for all Chris other choices.

Chris chan was raised in a rat den with a mom who threatened to open up her wrists if they tried cleaning the house,

And you think Cole didn't? Cole isn't exactly a paragon, but he made the right choices and got the fuck out.

and a dad who instead of letting chris chan go through special education

Again, was that Bob, or was that Barb through Bob?

thought he was doing his job by paying a chick to pretend to be his friend

I've mentioned elsewhere that that used to be a thing in the South, not just with Bob.

I just dont see how one can conclude that some magical way mummy poon is so irresistible that no amount of special education, healthy upbringing , and long term employment could ever prevent chris from trooning out and fucking his mom.

People with worse upbringings have done far, far better than Chris. People with better upbringings have done far far worse.

People are the product of their own choices, not puppets of their upbringing. Moreover, had Chris had made better choices, he wouldn't be Chris, so your argument is specious.

Chris chose to fuck Barb because he was horny and she was available. And Chris is a horrible person. Weens didn't do it. Chris's upbringing didn't do it. Chris did it. That's the entirety of it.

As I recall the only thing they ever do "lobotomies" now is for shit like constant grand mal seizures stemming from the frontal lobe.

There are a few other reasons. The point is they are only done these days for very specific, defined, physical medical reasons, and not because Rose Kennedy is an embarrassment to the political aspirations of her creepy, corrupt family.

 

[A-№1]

It should be noted that the "Crimes Against Nature" statute this falls under technically banned *ALL* oral sex in the state of Virginia until 2014.

But does tea-bagging always count as sex? What if Chris only did it after defeating Barb in a first person shooter, as is the customary victory ritual?

I mean if every indecent act counted as sex, most fraternities would be in prison.

 

[Smleman303]

But does tea-bagging always count as sex? What if Chris only did it after defeating Barb in a first person shooter, as is the customary victory ritual?

I mean if every indecent act counted as sex, most fraternities would be in prison.

I wasn't able to respond to your prior comment but was it Chris or Bob himself that let slip about the threat of divorce?

 

[A-№1]

I wasn't able to respond to your prior comment but was it Chris or Bob himself that let slip about the threat of divorce?

I believe it was in one of the earlier videos where Chandler family life intruded in on Chris' tomfuckery, but I think Chris confirmed it later. Check the Jackie coms.

 

[Smleman303]

But does tea-bagging always count as sex? What if Chris only did it after defeating Barb in a first person shooter, as is the customary victory ritual?

I mean if every indecent act counted as sex, most fraternities would be in prison.

I wasn't able to respond

I believe it was in one of the earlier videos where Chandler family life intruded in on Chris' tomfuckery, but I think Chris confirmed it later. Check the Jackie coms.

Thank you. And with the us family courts as they are bob would have been ruined and Chris might have gotten here sooner.

 

[A-№1]

And with the us family courts as they are bob would have been ruined and Chris might have gotten here sooner.

Bob would have lost his home, his retirement, and pretty much everything he'd ever worked for in his entire life. Or at least what was left of it. He'd already been through the divorce wringer once before, so he knew what to expect.

Bob was fucked. Barb ruled that family.

I often wonder if the move to Richmond was more to get away from Barb and mainstreaming Chris was just the excuse.

 

[Lancelot]

No again. ALL culpability is with Chris.

You are 100% responsible for your life. Chris is 100% responsible for his.

Culpability lies with chris sure. But you are conflating different issues. There was a case a few years back of a 17 year old who threw a grenade at US troops in afghanistan. He was being held on terrorism charges but ultimately released once it was shown that his dad had essentially programmed him from birth to attack US soldiers.


I am not saying chris is the equivalent at all; but people are fallable. Some people will live in chris's situations and still become doctors, others might become drug addicts. Chris became chris chan due to the uniqueness of his issues and a situation that confounded upon those issues. The problem is you are just dismissing this reality and pretending that this situation was utterly irrelevasnt to what he ended up becoming. That is clearly nonsense.

A poor upbringing is something for Chris to overcome. That is 100% on him. Instead he chooses to wallow in it
And those are 100% Chris' fault.

Again wanting people to overcome their situation is all very good and all but that doesnt mean they are capable of it. In this scenario the situation almost undeniably confounded on chris's pre existing issues, The issue at play here is that you act like a 12 year old is going to have some giga brained universal awareness as to the impact their environment and life is having on their upbringing and suddenly drastically change everything to try and min max their ideal upbringing.

We might all want kids to be that self directed but if they were parents wouldnt be needed.

No. He will blame all that on mean people, never on his own poor choices.

However the streets will fix him, because they have no pity and no concern for his well being or comfort . His choices there will have immediate consequences.

Maybe, We havent ever seen chris face actual consequences that will reach him and this situation is definitely going to feature genuine consequences he doesnt appear to be fully aware of yet.

That was a ween. An early ween, but ween nonetheless.

So calling someone a ween suddenly means their actions dont count ?

That's his choice.

The point appears to have flown over your head

Bob going along with Barb to get some peace and quiet at home?

It appears to be both but again relevance ? Bob isnt freed from culpability because he was simply being compliant with barbs lunacy

That we know of. I suspect Bob made Chris apply at a number of locations. All we really know is that Wendy's was the only one to actually offer Chris a job (more fool them).

Honestly, what are the odds? That Bob only ever made Chris apply at Wendy's, and somehow, miraculously, Chris was offered a job from the very first place he applied? Or is it more probable that Bob made Chris apply for a job at many, many different places (such as everywhere with a "help wanted" sign) and finally only high-turnover Wendy's took the bait?

Unless your claim is that bob had chris putting out resumes for years before wendys and a decade after ( something we have zero evidence of at all )

Im not sure the relevance of your claim here.

Bob never really understood the internet.

He doesnt have to. He knows he pays for it and he knows chris is obsessed with it.

How could Chris remove things from the internet without an internet connection? Again, Bob didn't really understand the internet.

Again he doesnt have to understand it. He knows he pays for the service and therefore can stop said service.

Correction: Bob accomplished nothing. You can't claim beyond that, and that's all on Chris. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Its funny how you just tried claiming that bob had chris applying for jobs for majority of his life without evidence. But pointing out that bob appears to have done next to nothing ( based on the evidence we have ) is too speculative for you lol

Really? You do know about the other things Chris has done with his ass, right? Shoving some dried play dough up there is chicken feed by comparison.

There is a difference between chris being degenerate and shoving a dildo up his ass versus chris shoving one of his most cherished keepsakes that he borderline worships up his ass lol

The worst things Chris has ever done he came up with all on his own.

You just admitted that weens got him to shove his medallion up his ass.

Again, we only know that it was the only real job in twelve years that actually hired Chris. We do not know how many applications Bob made Chris make.

We do, next to none . Literal downies can get jobs with ease packing bags at supermarkets. You arent gonna fool us into thinking that chris was putting out resumes non stop for 12 years and never got hired anywhere outside of wendys once.

Not if you're trapped in Baby Jail and your wife countermands them. We know Barb used the threat of divorce against Bob.

Its a little funny that your entire narrative has been that bob genuinely did try while also claiming that barb prevented bob from actually trying.

You don't know that. You can't claim that.

All anyone knows for certain is that Bob's efforts accomplished fuck all, but that's entirely on Chris.

Look at Bob's other children. How could Bob's parenting have been so successful there, but failed so badly with Chris? Well the difference is Chris, not Bob.

Again you keep speculating the inverse. You have no evidence that chris spent 12 years after wendys putting out resumes. You have no evidence that bob ever actually forced him to outside of wendys. You simply speculate that he did. But when I point to the lack of evidence as evidence that it didnt happen. you claim thats too much speculation lol.

Consider Chris' choices. How could you possibly think they could have resulted better?

Seriously, Chris CHOSE to fuck Barb. Nobody else made that choice for him. In what universe was that going to end well for him? And the same is true for all Chris other choices.

Chris made that decision at age 40, after 20 years of increasingly fucked up behaviour and life events. Its nonsense to simply assume thats the inherent outcome of chris's life regardless of any upbringing or life he could have had.

And you think Cole didn't? Cole isn't exactly a paragon, but he made the right choices and got the fuck out.

Again as i pointed out earlier some might have lived chris chans life and still ended up rocket scientist race driving doctors. That doesnt mean that the upbringing wont destroy the typical chris chan.

and a dad who instead of letting chris chan go through special education

Again it appears to have been both them. But you cant excuse it by claiming that bob was just too weak to stand up to barb when his sons life was at stake.

People with worse upbringings have done far, far better than Chris. People with better upbringings have done far far worse.

People are the product of their own choices, not puppets of their upbringing. Moreover, had Chris had made better choices, he wouldn't be Chris, so your argument is specious.

Chris chose to fuck Barb because he was horny and she was available. And Chris is a horrible person. Weens didn't do it. Chris's upbringing didn't do it. Chris did it. That's the entirety of it.

Again people are culpable for their own choices. That does not mean their upbringing didnt create the person who made those choices. This is simply not a point of debate. Its nonsense to assume that upbringings dont heavily influence and at times outright create an individual. As I have shown chris chans upbringing not only didnt address his set of issues. But it actively made them worse.

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

Weens can't wean, and you can't wean Chris from weens.

- Confucius

 

[A-№1]

There was a case a few years back of a 17 year old who threw a grenade at US troops in afghanistan. He was being held on terrorism charges but ultimately released once it was shown that his dad had essentially programmed him from birth to attack US soldiers.

And that was a mistake. He should have been charged an convicted for terrorism. Treating cases like this, and Chris. with kiddy gloves only encourages more cases like this.

I am not saying chris is the equivalent at all; but people are fallable.

What of it? That doesn't mean they shouldn't face the consequences when they fail.

Some people will live in chris's situations and still become doctors, others might become drug addicts.

And just as we should praise the doctors, we should excoriate the addicts. Because both are the consequence of their own choices.

The problem is you are just dismissing this reality and pretending that this situation was utterly irrelevasnt to what he ended up becoming.

I'm not dismissing it. I am stating the fact that it's irrelevant. The situation in which Chris made his life choices does not change the fact that it was Chris making those choices. Situationally ironically, you might have a point if Borb had been more hard assed and NOT permitted Chris to make those choices, but they did.

That is clearly nonsense.

Only to bleeding heart enablers who can't comprehend the sense of it.

Again wanting people to overcome their situation is all very good and all but that doesnt mean they are capable of it.

This is not about capability. This is about choices.

Even if Chris had the capability of being a famous mathematician, he would never become one because he chooses not to put in the effort.

Honestly, who knows what Chris is truly capable of? He's never put in any effort to test his limits to find out. And enablers keep making excuses for that.

The issue at play here is that you act like a 12 year old is going to have some giga brained universal awareness

Wrong. The issue here is that CHRIS DOESN'T EVEN TRY. He chooses not to.

Parents wouldnt be needed.

Parents aren't needed. Good parenting can help, bad parenting can make it more difficult, but ultimately people are the consequence of their own choices. Parents aren't necessary for children to turn into adults - only time is needed for that. And what sort of adult they turn into is the result of their own choices. Wishful bleeding heart thinking will never change that.

We havent ever seen chris face actual consequences

And why is that, do you think?

It's because certain people keep making excuses for him instead of recognizing his responsibility for his own choices.

this situation is definitely going to feature genuine consequences he doesnt appear to be fully aware of yet.

He will still choose to believe it isn't his fault and choose to blame other people for the results of his choices.

He's wrong. Don't be wrong like Chris.

So calling someone a ween suddenly means their actions dont count ?

It means they're not a troll. The fact that you can't seem to grasp the difference is part of the reason your position is bullshit.

The point appears to have flown over your head

NO U. Seriously, NO U.

Bob isnt freed from culpability because he was simply being compliant with barbs lunacy

Bob isn't culpable because Bob didn't have a choice. Why can't you grasp the concept of choices?

Unless your claim is that bob had chris putting out resumes for years before wendys and a decade after ( something we have zero evidence of at all )

We have some evidence he did, actually. We have ZERO evidence he didn't. So we have to go by probabilities. What are the odds Chris was hired by the one and only first real job place he applied to?

Im not sure the relevance of your claim here.

Of course you aren't, given everything else you've said.

He knows he pays for the service and therefore can stop said service.

And also cut off the house phone and cable television and whatever else was bundled with it? Bob's solution was to grab an ax and start chopping, because Bob didn't understand the internet, and apparently neither do you. You sure as fuck don't understand how elderly people deal with the internet.

Its funny how you just tried claiming that bob had chris applying for jobs for majority of his life without evidence.

And you are trying to claim he didn't ALSO WITHOUT EVIDENCE.

At least I'm going with the facts we do know and the probabilities.

But pointing out that bob appears to have done next to nothing ( based on the evidence we have ) is too speculative for you lol

You are confusing accomplishments with effort. From the evidence, Bob tried a lot.

You just admitted that weens got him to shove his medallion up his ass.

And you think that's the worst thing Chris has ever done? Where the fuck have you been lately?

Literal downies can get jobs with ease packing bags at supermarkets. You arent gonna fool us into thinking that chris was putting out resumes non stop for 12 years and never got hired anywhere outside of wendys once.

Literal downies do what they're told. Literal downies can pass an interview. Lazy, entitled Chris cannot. Chris chooses to be lazy and entitled.

Chris had a résumé years before he worked at Wendy's. We know Chris had a résumé, because he put pokemon gym boss (or whatever the fuck) on it. Why the fuck would he have a résumé if not to submit for employment? You know this is not something he would have made on his own (or even heard of) without Bob making him do it.

Its a little funny that your entire narrative has been that bob genuinely did try while also claiming that barb prevented bob from actually trying.

Reading comprehension. Do you speak it?

Barb didn't prevent Bob from trying. She prevented Bob from succeeding. Are you intentionally misreading things?

You have no evidence that chris spent 12 years after wendys putting out resumes.

Chris had a résumé to hand out.

You have no evidence that bob ever actually forced him to outside of wendys.

Again: probabilities.

You simply speculate that he did.

You are speculating that he didn't.

But when I point to the lack of evidence as evidence that it didnt happen.

Congratulations! You are exercising a common fallacy.

Chris made that decision at age 40, after 20 years of increasingly fucked up behaviour and life events.

After years of other fucked up CHOICES, you mean. Chris didn't choose to be Chris all at once, but make no mistake, he chose it.

the typical chris chan.

Typical chris chan? Seriously?

Chris is in no way typical. Chris is the unique result of his own unique choices.

But you cant excuse it by claiming that bob was just too weak to stand up to barb when his sons life was at stake.

It's not a matter of "weakness". Bob had been divorced before. He knew what he was up against with Barb.

Again people are culpable for their own choices. That does not mean their upbringing didnt create the person who made those choices.

How can you not see that those are two mutually contradictory statements?

The fact that two different people, twins for example, can have identical upbringing, with the same parents and genes even, and yet make completely different lives for themselves, completely blows your argument away.

Moreover, bleeding heart enablers like yourself keep making bad excuses (upbringing, autism, whatever) for the choices of people like Chris only permit people like Chris to continue making bad choices. You're not actually excusing Chris. All you're doing is making yourself part of the problem.

Again: STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR CHRIS.

This is simply not a point of debate.

You are right there, but you are on the wrong side of the debate.

 

[FunPosting101]

A person is ultimately a product of two things, biologically speaking; their nature(IE how they were born) and their nurture(how they were raised and grew up). It's all well and good to talk about personal responsibility; and people CAN overcome bad circumstances, but when the deck is stacked against you from birth like it was for Chris? Good luck with that shit.

 

[I swear she's 18]

Chris is definitely a good debate on nature vs nurture. That being said, Chris is 100% fallible for his actions. He (or least he was) lucid enough to make his own choices and opinions. There's a lot of things the trolls did too Chris, but no one but Chris can control whether he talks publicly about his dirty crapped briefs. Or go online and screech like a dog in heat about blarms. He's capable of self reflection, sympathy, and bettering himself. It's just Chris doesn't want too. He'd rather live his life the way he always has been. Except Karma and reality is about to bitch slap him and he's going to face a difficult task ahead in the near future.

 

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A person is ultimately a product of two things, biologically speaking; their nature(IE how they were born) and their nurture(how they were raised and grew up).

Nature vs. Nurture is a complete red herring. Both are wrong. They are just excuses to avoid holding people accountable for their choices.

"It's not my fault. I was born this way!" Bullshit.
"It's not my fault. It's how I was raised!" Also bullshit.

I can see how this false dichotomy might be attractive to people who also don't want to he accountable for their own choices, but that doesn't make it, or them, right.

when the deck is stacked against you from birth like it was for Chris?

The deck was not stacked all that highly against Chris. If anything he had it far, far better than Cole.

Chris has actually led a remarkably privileged life, and made a failure of it. Plenty of successes have had it far, far worse than Chris. Just look at Anne Frank: her childhood was about the worst fucking nightmare imaginable, and yet she wrote an award winning book before the age of 15 that's still widely read to this very day.

 

[Muu]

Not long now, less than a 100 working days now!...

 

[oramge cat]

I like the discussion about the way pre-industrial societies cared for mentally ill and physically disabled children, I'd just like to point out in less civilised parts of the world this sort of thing still happens sadly, in some parts of the world it doesn't even have to be a disability it could just be your sex.



As bad as it sound's Chris poses a much more serious threat to them if they came into contact with him, those guy's live isolated on a island and have 0 contact with the outside world so any infection he'd be holding off naturally even asymptomatically could prove fatal to them, from what I recall they don't approach the people they have killed they leave them on the beach as a message and drop them with arrows.

Now that I say it, I wonder if they managed to put 2 and 2 together from previous encounters and that's why they kill at range and don't approach.

The British kidnapped 4 natives when they first found them and took them to a super nice mansion and gave them a huge feast to introduce them to modernity but 2 got sick and died, this is probably what happened.