UN Government Shutdown Megathread/Updates - News of the ongoing/halted Goverment Shutdown from 12/22/18 -1/25/19

Here's the news of the Government Shutdown as of 1/22/19

It's been a month now since this shutdown started which started back in December and no deal seems to be coming.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...day-32-as-democrats-vow-to-reject-trump-offer

"The longest government shutdown in U.S. history entered its 32nd day on Tuesday with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell expected to call up legislation to advance a proposal from President Donald Trump, which Democrats have already said they’ll reject.


The president said in a Jan. 19 speech he would support a mix of immigration-related proposals in exchange for $5.7 billion to build a wall or other barriers along the border. Trump’s supporters, including Vice President Mike Pence, pointed to the offer as evidence of the president’s willingness to strike a compromise with Democrats.


Pelosi’s Democrats, meanwhile, plan more votes of their own in the House to reopen the government, with a new offer of $1 billion for border upgrades -- but not a wall -- on tap this week.

 

[GethN7]

This is bullshit and he's lost my vote. He should have played hardball and owned the shutdown, not put us in a horrible catch 22 where either nothing happens on the border because the courts shut it down or it does happen at the cost of a massive executive power grab that will certainly cause great problems for the US as a free state in the future.

If things were that simple, I agree, but Trump obviously is trying to do his best to keep the Democrats as the unreasonable assholes here.

Short term, he could have done as you say and likely won, but long term, the shutdown was starting to seriously hurt federal employees despite what he did to mitigate the damage, and any sane politician trying to keep his enemies as the villains would have cut their losses once any gain in stonewalling was outmatched by PR damage as a result of consequences, which Trump did.

I don't like the future can of worms this creates anymore than you do, but insofar as this keeps Trump looking better than his enemies, which is the whole point of making himself the underdog hero versus the corrupt establishment, and he's played that route pretty carefully.

The Democrats made it clear they will be unreasonable faggots about this no matter what, so Trump is basically milking that for all it's politically worth, for good or ill.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I didn't vote for Trump because I wanted Donald Trump to look good. I didn't even like Donald Trump. I voted for him because I thought him being a huge asshole would get shit done, but he clearly cares about his image more.

 

[GethN7]

I didn't vote for Trump because I wanted Donald Trump to look good. I didn't even like Donald Trump. I voted for him because I thought him being a huge asshole would get shit done, but he clearly cares about his image more.

To some extent, I can't disagree, but he needs to cultivate a certain image to get reelected too.

Otherwise, in two years all he will have done could be dismantled without four more years to make it stick.

It's not ideal, but we live in a practical world.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

The system has failed in regards to the US-Mexican border and there is no longer a practical legal solution within reach. We're going to pay for this in the future, and hard.

 

[boulderblundermatt]

The system has failed in regards to the US-Mexican border and there is no longer a practical legal solution within reach. We're going to pay for this in the future, and hard.

I'm no trump supporter but this is retarded.

Yes, the system failed. However, it is impossible to predict if there is a practical legal solution simply because all parties involved refuse to study the issue objectively. what we can do is guess at the potential success and guess what? 90% of walls it turns out work to keep people away. Further, Trump is going down the legal path to get this wall. sure, the democrats could sue but then they put themselves in a lose/lose position that will cripple them. further, the wall won't magically punish us in some magical way because magic doesn't exist and is for babies. if you mean monetarily, then news flash, the government throws billions to other countries all the time! god forbid we invest a bit in ourselves! may god give us all ebola!

seriously, think before you fucking speak.

 

[Mrs Paul]

IIRC, weren't there some contractors promised work on the border wall -- I believe there was one company in Montana that signed a contract. That's not going to go over very well.

Although it will provide some serious entertainment.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I'm no trump supporter but this is exceptional.

Yes, the system failed. However, it is impossible to predict if there is a practical legal solution simply because all parties involved refuse to study the issue objectively.

Thus the important qualifier within reach. They have not and will not.

And lol you think Trump is actually going to get this wall and not die choking on court orders.

 

[XYZpdq]

I too believe that I know how everything will play out hours after it started!

 

[boulderblundermatt]

Thus the important qualifier within reach. They have not and will not.

And lol you think Trump is actually going to get this wall and not die choking on court orders.

Obama proved that court orders mean about as much as the toilet paper I wipe my ass with in regards to executive orders. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of will. However, I will humor your fantasy.
say they manage to get thousands of court orders that convince relevant parties to ignore the law and not act. say that trump is forced to fight this action in the courts.
so what? he has a supreme court of judges that are primarily republican. he is already guaranteed 4 more years presidency. the moment his case hits there, la resistance' dies.

the hilarious part is the demotards did this to themselves. this all could have been avoided, if only they had taken his gracious dreamers act deal. now they're in a lose/lose position.

I'm not claiming to be some great political mind either. this just seems like common sense to me. anyone could deduce this with a modicum of thought put to it, using facts.

note: i'm not claiming my prediction is going to happen. its based purely on things i've heard and read over the years, which frankly isn't a lot. I'm just saying that it's insanity to try to claim trumps wall has no chance to happen. granted, it's in a long, autistic way, but then so am I.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

The state wanted to carry out Obama's executive orders. It for the most part doesn't want to do what Trump tells it to. He can't even get federal funding frozen to cities refusing to comply with federal law.

he is already guaranteed 4 more years presidency. I.

Just like Hillary was guaranteed in 2008 2016?

 

[boulderblundermatt]

The state wanted to carry out Obama's executive orders. It for the most part doesn't want to do what Trump tells it to. He can't even get federal funding frozen to cities refusing to comply with federal law.


Just like Hillary was guaranteed in 2008 2016?

he's still has a decent amount of support. he's kept most of his promises. he also has celebrity status.

he has things demtards dream of having. rimpotenticans wish they had anyone else as popular as him.

that said, it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility for him to lose. I just don't see how he can right now, with all the lame competition he has.

 

[XYZpdq]

that said, it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility for him to lose. I just don't see how he can right now, with all the lame competition he has.

A couple of routes for Trump-Stumping that I can see from here:

a) The wall fizzles and the Dems manage to scrape together somebody who isn't a goddamn nutjob.
b) RBG dies and is replaced before 2020 and the GOP primaries him just because they're that much of a bunch of petty fuckups.

And on the latter I'm not entirely sure that he couldn't just pull the inside straight of going on his own, maybe starting his own "MAGA Party" or some goofy shit and take some moderates from both sides and loyalists like Rick Scott with him. Obviously that's a ridiculous prospect but "ridiculous prospect" has pretty much been his successful game plan so far.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I don't think he can be primaried except by someone more Trump than Trump himself.

 

[KerryDixon9]

I didn't vote for Trump because I wanted Donald Trump to look good. I didn't even like Donald Trump. I voted for him because I thought him being a huge asshole would get shit done, but he clearly cares about his image more.

His image has been utterly destroyed since running for the presidency. He was a generally disliked billionaire braggart who people found funny or turned up their nose at.

He's now become Orange Hitler, a Russian traitor and a racist, tranny murderer.

Cares bout his image more? WTF are you talking about? He's probably not cared enough about his image and pushed his agenda in spite of how the MSM would report it.

 

[vertexwindi]

He's now become Orange Hitler, a Russian traitor and a racist, tranny murderer.

Yeah amongst idiots maybe. Any Republican who won over Hillary "Her Turn" Clinton would've gotten the same shit flung at them, who cares.

 

[AlexJonesGotMePregnant]

His image has been utterly destroyed since running for the presidency. He was a generally disliked billionaire braggart who people found funny or turned up their nose at.

He's now become Orange Hitler, a Russian traitor and a racist, tranny murderer.

Cares bout his image more? WTF are you talking about? He's probably not cared enough about his image and pushed his agenda in spite of how the MSM would report it.

He cares a lot about his image, he just doesn't depend on MSM to build it for him except as opposition. I've been hearing people with moderate leanings bitching and moaning about ridiculous progressivism and untrustworthy national media since the bush days and he pulls his support from them, not from anyone still dumb enough to think that CNN does journalism. As loud as TDS is, I think it's always going to be difficult to estimate his actual support levels but something would seriously have to change in the republican leadership for their begrudging support to be dropped.

No matter what else, Trump's ego defeated the clintons and that alone will likely carry him straight into the next repub candidacy, regardless of what he does in his first term.

 

[ProgKing of the North]

Why is everybody on both sides so goddamned obsessed with this stupid wall anyway? I get that immigration in general needs to be dealt with but the left acts like it's a humanitarian issue and we're obligated to give anyone who asks a mansion and a sports car and the right acts like kicking out all the Mexicans will solve all our problems and we'll be back to that 1950s utopia they love to jack off over. Even if a section of the wall gets built, people coming in might be slightly down and deportations might go slightly up and there will be no noticable difference in the vast majority of people's day to day lives except possibly (and this is being incredibly optimistic) slightly lower taxes.

 

[Marco Fucko]

Why is everybody on both sides so goddamned obsessed with this stupid wall anyway? I get that immigration in general needs to be dealt with but the left acts like it's a humanitarian issue and we're obligated to give anyone who asks a mansion and a sports car and the right acts like kicking out all the Mexicans will solve all our problems and we'll be back to that 1950s utopia they love to jack off over. Even if a section of the wall gets built, people coming in might be slightly down and deportations might go slightly up and there will be no noticable difference in the vast majority of people's day to day lives except possibly (and this is being incredibly optimistic) slightly lower taxes.

It's largely symbolic, but it's the hair trigger litmus test for general loyalties right now.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Okay, that was weird. I posted a message and 2 posts of it appeared. Upon deletion they both went away.

Right, anyways. It'd be nice if people would read these threads before asking the same question that's been discussed many times. In short, a wall is effective, but must be used in tandem with enforcing existing immigration law and punishing companies that choose to hire illegal workers. Walls are a deterrent, because apparently the desert isn't enough.

 

[TowinKarz]

It is just one piece in a comprehensive plan, it's only being opposed vehemently because the lack of it is always used in circular fashion to justify not cracking down in those areas:

Why bother going after companies that employ illegals and those who've long overstayed visas? Without a wall they'll just walk right back in if we chuck them out? And why bother building a wall? As long as you can overstay a visa and find a job with an unscrupulous company that looks the other way, they'll keep coming."

If Trump was asking for increased penalties for companies caught paying illegals $3 an hour to mop the floors or a comprehensive DHS review of all visa holders, they'd oppose him too as missing the big picture and somehow hurting innocents, and the very same ones refusing to give a penny now would be demanding he focus on something important that wold work, like a wall...

They DO NOT WANT a solution, they like the status quo as is, but won't come out and say it. If any part of that circular argument ever gets solved, the whole thing collapses and they KNOW IT.

That's why they're determined to fight every step of the way and not give him one inch no matter what he offers because they rightfully see this is the end of their ability to eternally kick the can round the circle as regular working class Americans get the shaft.