UN Government Shutdown Megathread/Updates - News of the ongoing/halted Goverment Shutdown from 12/22/18 -1/25/19

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Here's the news of the Government Shutdown as of 1/22/19

It's been a month now since this shutdown started which started back in December and no deal seems to be coming.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...day-32-as-democrats-vow-to-reject-trump-offer

"The longest government shutdown in U.S. history entered its 32nd day on Tuesday with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell expected to call up legislation to advance a proposal from President Donald Trump, which Democrats have already said they’ll reject.


The president said in a Jan. 19 speech he would support a mix of immigration-related proposals in exchange for $5.7 billion to build a wall or other barriers along the border. Trump’s supporters, including Vice President Mike Pence, pointed to the offer as evidence of the president’s willingness to strike a compromise with Democrats.


Pelosi’s Democrats, meanwhile, plan more votes of their own in the House to reopen the government, with a new offer of $1 billion for border upgrades -- but not a wall -- on tap this week.
 
Necro for McConnell saying Trump's going to sign the deal on the table and declare a State of Emergency for the rest of the money.
 
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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump will sign Congress’ border security compromise, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said Thursday. The announcement removed the last ounce of suspense over the fate of a bill that would provide just a sliver of the money Trump wants to build a wall with Mexico but also would avoid a new government shutdown.

But McConnell also said Trump would quickly declare a national emergency. The president has said that move would give him power to divert money from other budget projects into wall building.

McConnell also said he would support Trump’s emergency declaration. That was a turnabout for the Kentucky Republican, who like Democrats and many Republicans has until now opposed such a declaration.

The emergency declaration will inject the likelihood of fresh conflict between Congress and Trump over his efforts to build barriers along the boundary with Mexico. Opponents have said there is no crisis at the border and Trump is merely sidestepping Congress.

The Republican-controlled Senate began voting on the agreement Wednesday, and passage by that chamber and the Democratic-led controlled seemed certain.

Trump had signaled he would sign the bill but it was unclear until McConnell’s announcement if he would do so, prompting some lawmakers to voice concern.


“Let’s all pray that the president will have wisdom to sign the bill so the government doesn’t shut down,” said Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, chiming in after a guest chaplain opened Thursday’s session.

Trump’s assent would end a raucous legislative saga that commenced before Christmas and was ending, almost fittingly, on Valentine’s Day. The low point was the historically long 35-day partial federal shutdown, which Trump sparked and was in full force when Democrats took control of the House, compelling him to share power for the first time.

Trump yielded on the shutdown Jan. 25 after public opinion turned against him and congressional Republicans. He’d won not a nickel of the $5.7 billion he’d demanded for his wall but had caused missed paychecks for legions of federal workers and contractors and lost government services for countless others. It was a political fiasco for Trump and an early triumph for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.

The fight left both parties dead set against another shutdown. That sentiment weakened Trump’s hand and fueled the bipartisan deal, a pact that contrasts with the parties’ still-raging differences over health care, taxes and investigations of the president.

The product of nearly three weeks of talks, the agreement provides almost $1.4 billion for new barriers along the boundary. That’s less than the $1.6 billion for border security in a bipartisan Senate bill that Trump spurned months ago, and enough for building just 55 miles of barricades, not the 200-plus miles he’d sought.
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Notably, the word “wall” — which fueled many a chant at Trump campaign events and then his rallies as president — does not appear once in the 1,768 pages of legislation and explanatory materials. “Barriers” and “fencing” are the nouns of choice.

The compromise would also squeeze funding for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or ICE, in an attempt to pressure the agency to gradually detain fewer immigrants. To the dismay of Democrats, it would still leave an agency many of them consider abusive holding thousands more immigrants than it did last year.

The measure contains money for improved surveillance equipment, more customs agents and humanitarian aid for detained immigrants. The overall bill also provides $330 billion to finance dozens of federal programs for the rest of the year, one-fourth of federal agency budgets.

Trump has talked for weeks about augmenting the agreement by taking executive action to divert money from other programs for wall construction, without congressional sign-off. He might declare a national emergency, which has drawn opposition from both parties, or invoke other authorities to tap funds targeted for military construction, disaster relief and counterdrug efforts.

Those moves could prompt congressional resistance or lawsuits, but would help assuage supporters dismayed that the president is yielding.

Rep. Mark Meadows, R-N.C., who leads the hard-right House Freedom Caucus, told reporters “it would be political suicide” if Trump signs the agreement and did nothing else to find added money.

The measure was expected to be carried by pragmatists from both parties. Many of Congress’ most liberal members were expected to oppose it, unwilling to yield an inch to Trump’s anti-immigrant policies, while staunch conservatives preferred a bill that would go further.

“I made a promise to my community that I wouldn’t fund ICE,” said Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., a freshman who’s become a face of her party’s left wing and a leading proponent of eliminating the agency.

Though Trump lost the highest-profile issue at stake, he all but declared victory Wednesday.

At the White House, he contended that a wall “is being built as we speak.” Work on a small stretch of barriers is due to start this month in Texas’ Rio Grande Valley under legislation Congress approved last year.

Swallowing the deal would mark a major concession by Trump, who has spent months calling the situation at the southern border a national security crisis. In private conversations, Trump has called the congressional bargainers poor negotiators, said a person familiar with the conversations who wasn’t authorized to speak publicly.

Trump has repeatedly vowed Mexico would pay for the wall, a suggestion that country has spurned. His descriptions of the wall’s size have fluctuated, at times saying it would cover 1,000 of the 2,000-mile boundary. Previous administrations constructed over 650 miles of barriers.

Facing opposition from Trump, Democrats lost their bid to include language giving federal contractors back pay for wages lost during the last shutdown. Government workers have been paid for time they were furloughed or worked without paychecks.

Also omitted was an extension of the Violence Against Women Act. Democrats say this will give them a chance later this year to add protections for transgender people to that law.

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"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says if President Donald Trump declares a national emergency at the border he’s making an 'end run around Congress.'

Pelosi says there’s no crisis at the border with Mexico that requires a national emergency order.

She is not saying if House Democrats would legally challenge the president. But Pelosi says if Trump invokes an emergency declaration it should be met with 'great unease and dismay' as an overreach of executive authority.

Trump is prepared to invoke a national emergency to build the U.S.-Mexico wall after Congress refused to provide $5.7 billion he was demanding as part of a budget compromise to avoid a federal shutdown.

Trump indicated he would sign the bill to keep the government running past Friday’s deadline but also declare the emergency."

Previous updates said:
3:40 p.m.

The White House confirms that President Donald Trump will sign a bill averting a potential partial government shutdown at the end of the week.

Press Secretary Sarah Sanders says Trump will also take “other executive action — including a national emergency” as he seeks to keep his border wall pledge. The bipartisan congressional legislation expected to pass Thursday includes only a fraction of the billions of dollars Trump is seeking to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

Sanders says, “The President is once again delivering on his promise to build the wall, protect the border, and secure our great country.”

An emergency declaration to shift funding from other federal priorities to the border is expected to face swift legal challenge.

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3:15 p.m.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says President Donald Trump has indicated he’s prepared to sign the government funding bill and issue a national emergency on the border.

McConnell said Thursday the Senate will soon vote on the bill that’s needed to avoid a partial federal shutdown Friday.

The comprise measure keeps departments running through the fiscal year but without the $5.7 billion Trump wanted for the border wall with Mexico.

The House is also expected to vote on the bill later Thursday.

Trump’s assent would end a raucous legislative saga that commenced before Christmas and saw Trump force a record 35-day partial federal shutdown.

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12:30 p.m.

President Donald Trump says he is reviewing the border security compromise. But he is not yet promising to sign off on the deal.

Trump tweeted Thursday: “Reviewing the funding bill with my team at the @WhiteHouse!”

The president is widely expected to sign the compromise that would avert a government shutdown, but would only provide a fraction of the dollars he sought for a barrier along the U.S.-Mexico border. Still, Trump has not publicly declared his plans and has made clear he is not happy with the deal.

The Democratic-controlled House was poised to pass the sweeping measure Thursday evening, and the Republican-led Senate was expected to approve as well. Bargainers formally completed the accord moments before midnight Wednesday night.

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10:25 a.m.

Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley says he’s praying that President Donald Trump will sign the border security deal into law to prevent a government shutdown.

Grassley was presiding over the Senate opening on Thursday when after the morning prayer, he added: “Let’s all pray that the president will have wisdom to sign the bill so the government doesn’t shut down.”

Congress is expected to vote Thursday on the bipartisan accord to prevent another partial federal shutdown ahead of Friday’s deadline.

The package funds several departments but does not provide $5.7 billion Trump was demanding for the wall with Mexico. Instead, it allows nearly $1.4 billion for border fences and barriers.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell urged senators to approve it as “a compromise that no side will view as a perfect deal.”

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1:40 a.m.

Congress is set to resolve its border security brawl with President Donald Trump in uncommonly bipartisan fashion.

Lawmakers are preparing to pass a compromise providing just a sliver of the billions Trump has demanded for a wall with Mexico. It would also avert a rekindled government shutdown this weekend and finance dozens of federal agencies for the rest of the fiscal year.

Congressional leaders plan Thursday votes on the package. Passage is expected first in the Republican-led Senate, then the Democratic-controlled House.

Trump’s signature is expected, though it’s hardly guaranteed.

Trump’s assent would end a raucous legislative saga that commenced before Christmas and saw Trump force a record 35-day partial federal shutdown.

The bipartisan deal contrasts with the parties’ long-running clashes over health care, taxes and investigations of the president.
 
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"House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says if President Donald Trump declares a national emergency at the border he’s making an 'end run around Congress.'

Pelosi says there’s no crisis at the border with Mexico that requires a national emergency order.

She is not saying if House Democrats would legally challenge the president. But Pelosi says if Trump invokes an emergency declaration it should be met with 'great unease and dismay' as an overreach of executive authority.

Trump is prepared to invoke a national emergency to build the U.S.-Mexico wall after Congress refused to provide $5.7 billion he was demanding as part of a budget compromise to avoid a federal shutdown.

Trump indicated he would sign the bill to keep the government running past Friday’s deadline but also declare the emergency."


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Hahaha you have sources what a nerd
 
There are literally 31 national emergencies in effect right now in the US. The only reason this is significant is because Trump wants to use it to shift around money, leading to questions about whether that’s an abuse of power since Congress is supposed to be appropriator

Abuse of power or not, it's certainly lit a very large fire under the asses of a previously complacent government.
 
Trump is KF's real Valentine this year if this really goes through. I don't think he would do this without a high level of confidence that legal challenges would get shot down.
The Dems have been put in an awkward place by the Green New Deal. Pelosi doesn't really support it but indicating so too much would be suicide. It would signal to the true believer far left young people they've been trying to court that they don't plan to make luxury gay space communism real, and they've already decided this is the support base they need to get back in power.
 
There are literally 31 national emergencies in effect right now in the US. The only reason this is significant is because Trump wants to use it to shift around money, leading to questions about whether that’s an abuse of power since Congress is supposed to be appropriator
Wait, what exactly are these 31 national emergencies?
 
This sets a precedent for every Democrat who follows him. Guns? National emergency. Climate change? national emergency.

This could very well be a pyrrhic victory.
 
I saw some reports earlier saying that the President was able to find about eight billion in additional funds. Not sure how concrete that is though. Furthermore it seems that Congress has reached a general consensus, but the bill they have seems pretty shitty. Get ready for all hell to break loose.

If he signs, there are going to be some serious issues concerning unaccompanied minors and their benefactors, as well as more hurdles put up to stop the walls and barriers that coincidentally are not funded very well. Emergency funding will be fought against in court and aforementioned hurdles will start to file their protests in local jurisdictions.

If he doesn't sign and forces a renegotiation sans wall funding, the subsequent bill will probably pass fairly quickly. But Republicans that were in favor of the current plan will be exposed as charlatans. Emergency funding will be fought against in court.
 
This sets a precedent for every Democrat who follows him. Guns? National emergency. Climate change? national emergency.

This could very well be a pyrrhic victory.

Not how it works, when declaring a state of emergency you have to declare which bits of the law you're taking emergency control of to enforce.

In Trump's case he would use 10 U.S.C. 2808 (a):

TEH LAW said:
a)
In the event of a declaration of war or the declaration by the President of a national emergency in accordance with the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) that requires use of the armed forces, the Secretary of Defense, without regard to any other provision of law, may undertake military construction projects, and may authorize the Secretaries of the military departments to undertake military construction projects, not otherwise authorized by law that are necessary to support such use of the armed forces. Such projects may be undertaken only within the total amount of funds that have been appropriated for military construction, including funds appropriated for family housing, that have not been obligated.

and 33 U.S.C. 2293:

LAWWWWWWW said:
a)Termination or deferment of civil works projects; application of resources to national defense projects
In the event of a declaration of war or a declaration by the President of a national emergency in accordance with the National Emergencies Act [50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.] that requires or may require use of the Armed Forces, the Secretary, without regard to any other provision of law, may (1) terminate or defer the construction, operation, maintenance, or repair of any Department of the Army civil works project that he deems not essential to the national defense, and (2) apply the resources of the Department of the Army’s civil works program, including funds, personnel, and equipment, to construct or assist in the construction,operation, maintenance, and repair of authorized civil works, military construction, and civil defense projects that are essential to the national defense.

Secretary shall immediately notify the appropriate committees of Congress of any actions taken pursuant to the authorities provided by this section, and cease to exercise such authorities not later than 180 calendar days after the termination of the state of war or national emergency, whichever occurs later.

Basically there isn't a "Grab dem Guns" law on the books, nearly all seriously restrictive gun laws are at the state level only. The Dems could try and do something about it, but right now it'd be blocked in the Senate and would get mulched up the next time the Presidencies swapped back anyway.

I mean they could try and enforce it using the military and federal authorities, but I rather suspect most agents and soldiers won't fancy fighting the weekend warriors or random dads taking pot shots at them to defend their constitutional rights.
 
So, pretty much as I expected as everyone was burning their art of the deal and MAGA hats, the Dems lost everything he offered them and he still gets the wall. Now he gets to go into the election run up later this year and talk about how he's delivered on his promises, and the weak Democrats couldn't even negotiate for their own benefit.
 
So, pretty much as I expected as everyone was burning their art of the deal and MAGA hats, the Dems lost everything he offered them and he still gets the wall. Now he gets to go into the election run up later this year and talk about how he's delivered on his promises, and the weak Democrats couldn't even negotiate for their own benefit.
We go through this every month.

1 ). Trump promises to do something this month that Democrats really don't fucking like.
2 ). Democrats piss and moan, block him from doing it.
3 ). Trump's crew says "but actually we can do X to stop you and get what we want."
4 ). Democrats threaten to do Y if Trump does X.
5 ). Trump tries to compromise. Ends up not working or causing some sort of issue.
6 ). Democrats strut around like they've won.
7 ). Trump supporters get jaded and upset because of all the bad press.
  • "Me no like trump no more ann coulter let me lick your pussy!!"
8 ). Trump gives up and does X.
9 ). Democrats try to do Y but Y wasn't feasible.
10 ). Democrats realize they lost, move on and stop talking about it beyond saying X was a terrible terrible thing that was evil.
11 ). Trump supporters are happy because they got what they wanted even if it took X to get there.
  • "I never should have questioned the god emperor!! MAGA forever, let me lick your pussy Lauren Southern!!!"
12 ). Trump gloats.
13 ). Repeat steps 1-12 forever until it's 2024.
 
This is bullshit and he's lost my vote. He should have played hardball and owned the shutdown, not put us in a horrible catch 22 where either nothing happens on the border because the courts shut it down or it does happen at the cost of a massive executive power grab that will certainly cause great problems for the US as a free state in the future.
 
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