UN Government Shutdown Megathread/Updates - News of the ongoing/halted Goverment Shutdown from 12/22/18 -1/25/19

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Here's the news of the Government Shutdown as of 1/22/19

It's been a month now since this shutdown started which started back in December and no deal seems to be coming.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...day-32-as-democrats-vow-to-reject-trump-offer

"The longest government shutdown in U.S. history entered its 32nd day on Tuesday with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell expected to call up legislation to advance a proposal from President Donald Trump, which Democrats have already said they’ll reject.


The president said in a Jan. 19 speech he would support a mix of immigration-related proposals in exchange for $5.7 billion to build a wall or other barriers along the border. Trump’s supporters, including Vice President Mike Pence, pointed to the offer as evidence of the president’s willingness to strike a compromise with Democrats.


Pelosi’s Democrats, meanwhile, plan more votes of their own in the House to reopen the government, with a new offer of $1 billion for border upgrades -- but not a wall -- on tap this week.
 
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XYZpdq said:
If (and obviously that's an if of unknown quantity at the moment) he gets a wall this will only help him in the eyes of prowall people. If there's at least enough feet of wall to fill a camera panning from left to right him shutting down the government showing a willingness to fight, then three weeks of mercy because he's just that nice, will be a perfectly fine argument for anybody that said "I'm voting for wall guy".

The morals and reasoning are obviously a different and unrelated argument, but limiting things to "how will Trump voters look at this" I think that as long as there's a wall there isn't much they won't overlook.
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I'm reacting to the people here and elsewhere acting like the reprieve is some kind of defeat for Trump. It could very well be the beginning of a defeat, or Trump could turn it into a cease-fire that merely gives him a chance to reload. The fact that people are acting like it's the already over when we're at the end of the beginning makes me think that they will spin whatever Trump does next to fit their own narrative, context and actual accomplishments be damned.

You're right though. Trump won't have to do much to appease his base.
 
Pickle Pirate said:
I mean, did you ever watch him during his campaign...? That’s part of the reason why the left disregarded him and didn’t see him as a threat, because he acted like kind of a childish sped and obviously no one in their right mind would vote for him, and look how well that worked out for them. Not saying that’s the sole reason they lost, but there were plenty of examples that he was a dingus before a single vote was cast.
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I don't really think he acted like a dingus, more like a regular guy whos a billionaire, instead of a career politician who acts like he's trying to imitate being a regular guy. But it seems what some people want, people like Trudeau who calculates when to smile at exactly the right time, say the right things at the right time, and then you find the pile of corpses in this basement.
 
Pickle Pirate said:
I mean, did you ever watch him during his campaign...? That’s part of the reason why the left disregarded him and didn’t see him as a threat, because he acted like kind of a childish sped and obviously no one in their right mind would vote for him, and look how well that worked out for them. Not saying that’s the sole reason they lost, but there were plenty of examples that he was a dingus before a single vote was cast.
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Because a lot of people realized that in order for something to change you needed to have someone who couldn't simply be cowed by media frenzies, and that requires a certain personality. About the time Bernie had to get sidelined in his own rally for two black lives matter protesters should have made it clear what being a pushover in politics will get you. I'll accept all the idiosyncrasies as long as he consistently gives the middle finger to establishment "norms".
 
Philosophy Zombie said:
In reality there is no national immigration emergency and using the imaginary state of emergency to set up a expensive, pointless border wall is an abhorrent misuse of executive power.

Republicans pretend they care so much about "small government principles" but their support of this idea, and of Trump's repeated obstruction of justice, proves they don't care about anything except getting their way before Mueller can get his ass on a plate.
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The democrats agreed to a wall under Bush and Obama, but since its Trump it's now evil. Also they agreed to a budget for border security that was way more than the wall costs the year before. What Trump wants is a drop in the bucket compared to what we spend on military and what we give to our "allies". It's the government's job to protect a nation's sovereignty. There is going to be another caravan soon. A pregnant lady hopped over the fuckin fence we have. During the previous caravan people got through broken parts of the fence. We need to take care of our country and its people first. The people of Mexico need to revolt or some shit and make mexico great again. Also illegal immigration is a national emergency because you have people coming into the country who don't give a shit about american values and don't assimilate more often than not. The wall in israel seems to work fine from where i'm standing so saying it doesn't work or is pointless is exceptional. If you had watched the video I recommended Obama used public law 85-804 for something completely unrelated to national security same with Bush so the precedent has been already set. Show me what obstruction of justice because all I see is a political dog and pony show that's using all of our tax dollars because of a political grudge because he beat Hillary who had the FBI in her back pocket so take your bullshit and shove it up your ass.
 
I’m skeptical the government will be shut down again. It’s mostly a dog and pony show and ending the shutdown proved that. Going to guess that a veto proof majority will be formed for a continuing resolution and Trump will make a couple of tweets whining about it, while refusing to declare an emergency to get the funding.

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Apparently he walked back his it's going to be a beautiful metal fence. He says a wall is a wall i.e a lovely slab of concrete. Although even with the law I mentioned the wall is probably not gonna happen just because people who are in his corner either don't know or are willfully not informing him of this trump card. I would say the only person who could knock any sense into him is Eric Trump.
 
The Great Chandler said:
No neogotiations? That's a big ouch on her and the Democrats' credibility
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But why would they want to negotiate if the last time they were able to win with no negotiations at all? Trump pissed away all his leverage. There is absolutely no incentive to work with Trump if they can just wait him out.

That’s why this three week opening was fucking stupid and no amount of plan trusting/5D underwater chess narratives can explain it.
 
NeoGAF Lurker said:
But why would they want to negotiate if the last time they were able to win with no negotiations at all? Trump pissed away all his leverage. There is absolutely no incentive to work with Trump if they can just wait him out.

That’s why this three week opening was fucking stupid and no amount of plan trusting/5D underwater chess narratives can explain it.
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The people who immediately flipped and hit the mat hard on the “Trump blinked, his presidency is over, the wall is dead, let's all roll over and spread our cheeks for the 2020 Democratic canidate” feel like gay ops to me. Not saying they are shills but very vulnerable to shilling. The exact thing happened when Trump tomahawked an empty airport in Syria.

I've been thinking a lot about it the last week, and I think the difference is that I'm not a Trump supporter. He's just another president to me, who is going to do things I like and dislike. He's also just the president, and outside of dropping nukes and running wars his power is oft exaggerated in people's minds.

I'm not interested in the wall, nor am I opposed to it. With out that emotional connection what it looks like to me is that air traffic in the United States was about to shut down. That would be a disaster, probably costing the economy hundreds of millions to billions a day, and the Democrats were happily going to drive off that cliff. It seems to me to be far more exceptional if Trump kept using the same tactic that wasn't working when it got to the point that it actually was going to be damaging to the country.
 
XYZpdq said:
If (and obviously that's an if of unknown quantity at the moment) he gets a wall this will only help him in the eyes of prowall people. If there's at least enough feet of wall to fill a camera panning from left to right him shutting down the government showing a willingness to fight, then three weeks of mercy because he's just that nice, will be a perfectly fine argument for anybody that said "I'm voting for wall guy".

The morals and reasoning are obviously a different and unrelated argument, but limiting things to "how will Trump voters look at this" I think that as long as there's a wall there isn't much they won't overlook.
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The smart move would be for him to demonstrate how much of the wall he's already completed. I had no idea any of it was done until a few days ago and I thought he was still struggling to get it funded.
 
MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:
The smart move would be for him to demonstrate how much of the wall he's already completed. I had no idea any of it was done until a few days ago and I thought he was still struggling to get it funded.
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Yeah, it's been under way since somewhere around July of 2017. Everyone just.. Never really paid attention to it. I said for a long time that people are just going to spin around one day and go, "Wait, was that wall always there?" and wouldn't you know it, we're finally getting to that phase.

It's HK-47 said:
At this point I'm just eager to see how shocked people are going to get when they realize this has already been going on since at least July of last year. While everyone was laughing at him for only securing funding for a "fence", nobody ever really bothered to go and look at the "fence", nor did they stop to consider that he might be using military funding and military engineers to push the project forwards when no one was looking, under the guise of a "national security concern", nor did they consider that he'd piggyback it off of the Secure Fence Act of 2006.

Because it's a military project, that also means that the security will be significantly higher than just a civilian construction project. The rules for the military work a bit differently, and when it's also that close to the border and major construction work that's hinged on national security, don't be expecting to see too many hippies chaining themselves to the "fence" to halt the construction. They might try it, but they will not be chained there for very long before finding themselves hocked dangerhair-first into a Humvee.

The border "fence" only needed to secure around $30,000,000,000 in funding, and he just got Congress to hand him a bill--that he "totally didn't want" and was "going to veto"--that gave the military the biggest payday it's ever received, and then more on top of that, and then more on top of that to "begin" construction on the "fence." It's funny just how many things people won't notice when you jangle the right set of keys in front of their faces. They'll pick up on it eventually, though, and when they do boy howdy are there going to be some salty folks parading around with poorly-made picket signs, not that it's really easy to tell when the last protest stops and the new protest begins, anymore.
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MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:
The smart move would be for him to demonstrate how much of the wall he's already completed. I had no idea any of it was done until a few days ago and I thought he was still struggling to get it funded.
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I think it would be best not to do that because if it’s known the wall is being worked on, I think the workers would get attacked.
 
How can people not know there's already a lot of wall? All those dumb staged photos of the poor migrant children had the wall behind it, with the people talking about how horrible it was that the wall was keeping them out.

I have a really fucking bad memory, and it irritates me that it's still better than the general public's....
 
Corbin Dallas Multipass said:
How can people not know there's already a lot of wall? All those dumb staged photos of the poor migrant children had the wall behind it, with the people talking about how horrible it was that the wall was keeping them out.

I have a really fucking bad memory, and it irritates me that it's still better than the general public's....
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I have a decent long-term memory and it really is terrible isn't it? It's like I woke up one day and I was living in a different reality then what seemed like everyone else (because you learned to keep your opinions to yourself if you didn't want to spend an hour listening to the Soy Squad member yelling about whatever), I'm going to classes and walking around listening to people have SUPER SERIOUS ACTIVIST discussions about things that didn't happen. Or things that could happen, maybe, if you lived in a YA novel written by Mr. Wes Bailey.

The sheer amount of dissonance that a large number of people are operating under legitimately frightens me because this is not the way the human brain is designed to work. These are people who have built an entire framework of reality on fake stories/clickbait outrage and will refuse to let it go until faced with something that finally pushes them into admitting this. When they finally have that moment, who knows, but I'm guessing a huge portion of these people are going to be massively brainfucked permanently. The ones who aren't and decide to refuse reality completely, something we're already seeing happen (Covington, Magic Ninja rednecks in Chicago, "Started a conversation!"), those are legitimately dangerous people. I don't think anyone here need a reminder of what extremists are capable of.

And yet politicians and the media keep pushing these divisions and actively feeding a cultural war against the majority of the country like it's no big deal. And I suppose it's not, because even if shit finally pops off and something major happens, they won't face any culpability. People like us will be the only ones who really point to this as a major factor in any "culure war" we're having. Everyone else will blame Trump even if it happens 20 years from now.
 
It's like the woke crowd decided to create a new reality tunnel, and our culture has schismed in a way that reminds me of the vase/faces optical illusion. We all used to share at least a basic common cultural story, but now there are two, mutually exclusive ones. Everybody used to see a black vase, now a large chunk of people see two white faces, which is fine, but to them, the vase doesn't exist, people who see it are evil and must be destroyed, since they are denying the tyranny of the white faces.

I went for supper with an old friend a few days ago, and she SWEARS they Donald pee tapes have been released to the public and everyone has seen them. I asked her if she saw them, and she said she couldn't bring herself to actually watch it. We got onto RBG, and she again SWEARS she saw a news article from earlier in the week that had RBG in the gym. I told her that was an old article, and she insisted I was wrong.

It's kind of fascinating watching grown people actively brainwash themselves into a narrative that is in direct contradiction to reality. I think things will be more or less alright in the long run, but I think things are going to get worse in some catastrophic ways in the short term. I hope when the pendulum swings back the other way, it isn't too extreme in reaction.
 
Dracula's Spirit Animal said:
It's like the woke crowd decided to create a new reality tunnel, and our culture has schismed in a way that reminds me of the vase/faces optical illusion. We all used to share at least a basic common cultural story, but now there are two, mutually exclusive ones. Everybody used to see a black vase, now a large chunk of people see two white faces, which is fine, but to them, the vase doesn't exist, people who see it are evil and must be destroyed, since they are denying the tyranny of the white faces.

I went for supper with an old friend a few days ago, and she SWEARS they Donald pee tapes have been released to the public and everyone has seen them. I asked her if she saw them, and she said she couldn't bring herself to actually watch it. We got onto RBG, and she again SWEARS she saw a news article from earlier in the week that had RBG in the gym. I told her that was an old article, and she insisted I was wrong.

It's kind of fascinating watching grown people actively brainwash themselves into a narrative that is in direct contradiction to reality. I think things will be more or less alright in the long run, but I think things are going to get worse in some catastrophic ways in the short term. I hope when the pendulum swings back the other way, it isn't too extreme in reaction.
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It's absolutely insane that this is happening, and it's partially because of how strong the federal government has gotten. It was never meant to be this big or this power, where California and New York dominate politics and make laws for how Idaho and Montana have to live. These asshole politicians are forcing one size fits all "solutions" on America, and are trying to increase their own power but because of the partisan media are able to get away with it as their voting base are permanently kept away from anything resembling the truth and reality.

Low information voters indeed.
 
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