UN Government Shutdown Megathread/Updates - News of the ongoing/halted Goverment Shutdown from 12/22/18 -1/25/19

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Here's the news of the Government Shutdown as of 1/22/19

It's been a month now since this shutdown started which started back in December and no deal seems to be coming.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...day-32-as-democrats-vow-to-reject-trump-offer

"The longest government shutdown in U.S. history entered its 32nd day on Tuesday with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell expected to call up legislation to advance a proposal from President Donald Trump, which Democrats have already said they’ll reject.


The president said in a Jan. 19 speech he would support a mix of immigration-related proposals in exchange for $5.7 billion to build a wall or other barriers along the border. Trump’s supporters, including Vice President Mike Pence, pointed to the offer as evidence of the president’s willingness to strike a compromise with Democrats.


Pelosi’s Democrats, meanwhile, plan more votes of their own in the House to reopen the government, with a new offer of $1 billion for border upgrades -- but not a wall -- on tap this week.
 
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underscoredash said:
Probably because most of the stuff it does is taken for granted. I hate the fed as much as the next guy but if weren't for them San Francisco would have burnt to the ground last year, Mexican slaughter houses could use dogs as filler in your sirloins, etc...
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San Francisco burning is a good thing.
 
I find it to be quite the pain in the ass when Trump has many options, but people keep telling him to just do a national emergency. It's a terrible fucking idea because the ninth district courts will rule against it and so will Neil Gorsuch because he was against the muslim ban. What Trump needs to do is use public law 85-804(50 US code 1431) it's been amended twice giving the executive branch practically absolute power so congress or the courts can't say boo about it i.e its black letter law its well established and cannot be disputed. "It allows Trump to negotiate and sign contracts on behalf of the federal government as long as they are for national defense."(James Allsup) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn_rzIcSi-0&t=277s Its a good video and it explains it more in depth, but if Trump hadn't buckled like a bitch he probably could have done this hell he can still do it, but the people who keep whispering in his ear are pro-amnesty like Kushner and Graham also he doesn't have as much political capital in the eyes of his base as he used to. I don't want another fuckin Ronald Reagan hell it's partially why we have such issues with immigration as it is. If people could pass this video around on twitter or some shit and spam it to Trump it would be great. Problem is whether or not he will listen.

Pickle Pirate said:
Yes but imagine the stink.
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It already stinks the homeless shit in the street and stupid fucks leave their gay people drugs(needles) all over the ground. Now they want to make state funded flop houses if that doesn't tell you how bad commiefornia has gotten i don't know what will.
 
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The only way to cleanse San Francisco is to wipe it from the face of the Earth, either through an earthquake pulling it beneath the ocean, a firestorm burning everything to ash, aliens zapping everything to nothing, or a North Korean nuke.
 
DanteAlighieri said:
The only way to cleanse San Francisco is to wipe it from the face of the Earth, either through an earthquake pulling it beneath the ocean, a firestorm burning everything to ash, aliens zapping everything to nothing, or a North Korean nuke.
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Or it drifts off into Alaska effectively killing the wild life and whatever ecosystem it has in its warmer areas. It would be such a show to see how southern californians adapt to harsh winter climates.
 
Chichan said:
It already stinks the homeless shit in the street and stupid fucks leave their gay people drugs(needles) all over the ground. Now they want to make state funded flop houses if that doesn't tell you how bad commiefornia has gotten i don't know what will.
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If it burned out imagine the stink carried by the wind into other states
 
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...ill-to-make-sure-shutdown-never-happens-again

Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Sunday he will support a bill that would prevent future government shutdowns in the event of funding lapses.

"Now that the shutdown is over, we should roll up our sleeves and make sure it never happens again," Schumer said at a Manhattan news conference, according to Newsday.

Schumer said he will back a bill introduced by Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) called The Stop "Stupidity" (Shutdowns Transferring Unnecessary Pain and Inflicting Damage In The Coming Years) Act, which would automatically renew funding for all aspects of government, except for the legislative branch and president’s office, at the same level as the previous year.

Senate Republicans, led by Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio), have also introduced similar legislation, the End Government Shutdowns Act.


The Democratic leader's embrace of the bill came hours after White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney said on CBS's "Face the Nation" that President Trump is willing to shut down the government again in three weeks should lawmakers not come to a satisfactory agreement on border security funding.

The president on Friday signed a bill to fund the government for three weeks, ending a partial government shutdown that had lasted 35 days. The measure did not include money for a wall along the southern border, but provided the opportunity for a bipartisan conference of lawmakers to negotiate border security funding.

Trump said in an interview published Sunday with The Wall Street Journal that he views the chances of a potential deal among lawmakers as "less than 50-50."

Now, I’m all for something like this; I don’t think a government shutdown, partial or otherwise should be used as a threat or bargaining chip by either party, nor should federal workers be getting caught in the crossfire of political dick waving. But for fucks sake, man...

a bill introduced by Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.) called The Stop "Stupidity" (Shutdowns Transferring Unnecessary Pain and Inflicting Damage In The Coming Years) Act
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You couldn’t come up with a less childish, petty name for it?
 
We need to CURB government spending, not give them a blank check that they get no matter what. The fact that there are "non-essential" government workers says a lot about government. Maybe they should toss the "non-essential" workers, then look at tossing the "non-essential" departments and functions.
 
DanteAlighieri said:
We need to CURB government spending, not give them a blank check that they get no matter what. The fact that there are "non-essential" government workers says a lot about government. Maybe they should toss the "non-essential" workers, then look at tossing the "non-essential" departments and functions.
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‘Nonessential’ means different things to different people though. Not having an airliner augur into a building or the earths crust is pretty essential in my opinion, and the fact that some of our national parks are going to suffer lasting or permanent damage from no one being there to protect/upkeep/clean them is untenable to me. Lots of people probably consider the national parks to be unnecessary though.

I don’t think the point of this bill is to absolve Congress from having to intelligently pass a budget bill, it’s meant more as an emergency check to prevent a government shutdown and federal workers, who are people with families whether you think they’re essential or not, from being used as a threat or weapon in political shit-flinging, by either party.

Edit - Also not disagreeing with you that government spending is in general fucked up and out of control and desperately needs reform. Just wanted to clarify that.
 
Firstly, people saying that people in government jobs get paid much less than the private sector... just consider for a moment the sway held by government unions. Teachers, cops, whoever else, almost completely unfirable. You want me to believe these people are underpaid? No.

Second: Walls don't stop anything? OK, there are signs near the border saying "Stay out of this area! Speeding drug and human trafficking cars drive through here, and kill people! Stay out!"
You know something a car cannot drive though? A wall.

It seems people who live on the border wouldn't mind less mexican cartel violence. Maybe they're the ones we should look to when talking about a wall?

Also, I don't get the thinking here. If trump fails to get his wall, then people will... be OK will the democrats taking over? Like... the wall would be good, but... there's a lot more at stake than just that. Let's not forget the previous president, their party, and the person who purchased the party's nomination used the FBI to spy on their political opponent.

It's all fun and good to call Trump a nazi fascist idiot, but let's not lose sight of reality. The democrats are trying to fix the game so they can never lose.
 
Jesus, like half this thread could be called TDS: Butthurt Kiwi edition. I'll wait and see what happens, because there's always some kind of plan going on usually with this shit. Also because of Schumer's mongoloid ass "Durr we sure showed the BLUMOHFFFF!" comment.

That's Johnny Ace in 1954 before he shot himself:

Curtis Tillman, witness:
"I will tell you exactly what happened! Johnny Ace had been drinking and he had this little pistol he was waving around the table and someone said ‘Be careful with that thing…’ and he said ‘It’s okay! Gun’s not loaded… see?’ and pointed it at himself with a smile on his face and ‘Bang!’"

But all this "HOW COULD HE?! MUH TRUMP VOTE!! FAITH IS SHATTERED!!!1!" shit?

Lol, calm down.
 
Pickle Pirate said:
‘Nonessential’ means different things to different people though. Not having an airliner augur into a building or the earths crust is pretty essential in my opinion, and the fact that some of our national parks are going to suffer lasting or permanent damage from no one being there to protect/upkeep/clean them is untenable to me. Lots of people probably consider the national parks to be unnecessary though.

I don’t think the point of this bill is to absolve Congress from having to intelligently pass a budget bill, it’s meant more as an emergency check to prevent a government shutdown and federal workers, who are people with families whether you think they’re essential or not, from being used as a threat or weapon in political shit-flinging, by either party.

Edit - Also not disagreeing with you that government spending is in general fucked up and out of control and desperately needs reform. Just wanted to clarify that.
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I'm one of those crazy anarchists so the entire government is non-essential to me, but when the government has employees it considers non-essential, maybe it shouldn't be doing those things. I'll even be happy going back to the constitutionally grounded departments being the only ones in existence. The federal government wasn't intended to oversee so fucking much, and the majority of what it does should be handled by the states. One size does not fit all, and the fact that it tries to do that is insane.
 
RadicalCentrist said:
Truly, we need a class of -rigorously tested and educated- elite to rule us as they see fit.
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never said the big bad "elite" should rule over us. After all, Trump's part of this "elite".
The thing is even though the average joe could run for president, he would never win. You need money and power.

Most jobs available for the average joe require a certain level of education and experience in said field. There's higher requirements to be a high school teacher than there is to be president. Doesn't anyone find that a bit odd?

But I think the problem is more that people actually though it was a good idea to elect him. Ideally there shouldn't need to be very many requirements, people should be able to tell candidates like trump aren't fit for president.
 
Rev said:
But I think the problem is more that people actually though it was a good idea to elect him. Ideally there shouldn't need to be very many requirements, people should be able to tell candidates like trump aren't fit for president.
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You make it sound like it's self evident, like when Trump came out it was actually a person with down syndrome and you went "obviously no one will vote for someone with down syndrome to be President".
 
Rev said:
Most jobs available for the average joe require a certain level of education and experience in said field. There's higher requirements to be a high school teacher than there is to be president. Doesn't anyone find that a bit odd?

But I think the problem is more that people actually though it was a good idea to elect him. Ideally there shouldn't need to be very many requirements, people should be able to tell candidates like trump aren't fit for president.
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Teachers don't have to directly compete with other teachers (in theory) for the same job and there's more than one teacher across the entire country. Teachers don't need to fundraiser for their own recruitment process (like candidates need to) nor do they need to be vetted by a political party and then win a primary nomination to even have a chance at becoming president.

Like or not, even if the explicitly stated requirements to be President aren't super deep, the implicit ones are. To even be a "real" candidate represents a very long and arduous road that only a few people get to try and much fewer even succeed.

Even if you were to make the assumption that Trump is unfit for office (different topic - but why would you think that?) and the world changed overnight to include a new explicit requirement - let's say for example "To be President you need to have previous experience of government service. Congressmen, Senators, State Governors, District Attourneys, Federal Judges, and Mayors are eligible"- that wouldn't change the fact that none of those people are experts and really aren't any more "fit" to serve than Trump.

These would include
Barack "Drone Strikes, Civilian Surveillance, huge friend to Big Banks and Insurance Companies" Obama
George "The pinnacle of class and dignity, huge friend to Big Banks" Bush
William "Cigars for Interns and slashing the military budget" Clinton

and so on. Even if you don't like Donald Trump as a person it's important to understand what he represents - the ability for the American people to some degree to choose who leads them. Instead of being forced to choose between the typical "politicians" (ex - doctors and/or lawyers) we can chose from other fields we deem appropriate.
 
Rev said:
Most jobs available for the average joe require a certain level of education and experience in said field. There's higher requirements to be a high school teacher than there is to be president. Doesn't anyone find that a bit odd?
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Ah! That's your problem right there. You think that getting enough education to be a teacher, of all things, requires a level of competence above the hoi polloi. Most degrees have only two qualifications: having enough money to afford it, and not being an utter fuck up. Granted, not everyone falls into that category, but most people actually have that competence if they decide to pursue it. It's such a small percentage that can't, they are already busy licking lightbulbs and shoving crayons in their mouths. If one is past that point, they certainly have the competence of ninety percent of the population, who should all be elligible to run for president in a democracy.
 
Medicated said:
You make it sound like it's self evident, like when Trump came out it was actually a person with down syndrome and you went "obviously no one will vote for someone with down syndrome to be President".
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I mean, did you ever watch him during his campaign...? That’s part of the reason why the left disregarded him and didn’t see him as a threat, because he acted like kind of a childish sped and obviously no one in their right mind would vote for him, and look how well that worked out for them. Not saying that’s the sole reason they lost, but there were plenty of examples that he was a dingus before a single vote was cast.
 
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fam said:
I don't believe a wall, physical or otherwise, is completely pointless. I just believe implementing more modern solutions like sensor towers is a more effective use of five billion dollars.
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That sounds more expensive in the long run since you don't need electricity to power a concrete wall.

Chichan said:
Time to put a dome over that hellscape.
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What if... what if we were to build a wall... around California?

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Pickle Pirate said:
You couldn’t come up with a less childish, petty name for it?
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Most people can't muster that much restraint in this thread. Why should we expect politicians to do the same?
 
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