UN Government Shutdown Megathread/Updates - News of the ongoing/halted Goverment Shutdown from 12/22/18 -1/25/19

Here's the news of the Government Shutdown as of 1/22/19

It's been a month now since this shutdown started which started back in December and no deal seems to be coming.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...day-32-as-democrats-vow-to-reject-trump-offer

"The longest government shutdown in U.S. history entered its 32nd day on Tuesday with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell expected to call up legislation to advance a proposal from President Donald Trump, which Democrats have already said they’ll reject.


The president said in a Jan. 19 speech he would support a mix of immigration-related proposals in exchange for $5.7 billion to build a wall or other barriers along the border. Trump’s supporters, including Vice President Mike Pence, pointed to the offer as evidence of the president’s willingness to strike a compromise with Democrats.


Pelosi’s Democrats, meanwhile, plan more votes of their own in the House to reopen the government, with a new offer of $1 billion for border upgrades -- but not a wall -- on tap this week.

 

[JustStopDude]

I enjoy people share the fact that the government shutdown has not affected them, thus implying that the government has no function.

Who would have thunk it... Fast food workers aren't affected...

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I enjoy people share the fact that the government shutdown has not affected them, thus implying that the government has no function.

Who would have thunk it... Fast food workers aren't affected...

When a near month long government shutdown pretty much only effects government workers meaningfully it's time to think long and hard about what function that government was serving. Not that anyone will.

 

[JustStopDude]

When a near month long government shutdown pretty much only effects government workers meaningfully it's time to think long and hard about what function that government was serving. Not that anyone will.

I am not sure why you are upset with what I said. Government workers are directly affected. Those that need to use the work of said workers are affected.

I think it is amazing that there have been can food drives for Coast guard sailors. They do very good work in saving lives, protecting the environment, and securing US waterways. These sailors do not get paid much to begin with.

Going two pay cycles without pay is very difficult for any low rank person in the military. But since the US Coast Guard is part of Department of Homeland Security, they are not deemed vital.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

If the department of homeland security was never created that wouldn't be an issue. It's a useless department. Only the US government could think adding yet another agency to "coordinate between agencies" would make communications between say, the FBI and the CIA more efficient.

 

[Vivec]

For preventing the most criminal elements from seeping through the border, I like the ideas behind what Anduril Industries is developing.
However, if the majority of illegals really are coming in through legal ports of entry, thinking any kind of barrier will stop "the flood of illegals" seems dumb. Thinking a literal physical wall will seems especially dumb.

Yeah I don't get all the "dude wall lmao" people on kiwifarms. All the illegals I know are Indians who didn't get their sponsorship or H1-B renewed. I probably know a dozen people who accrued 180+ days of unlawful status, those folks are illegal immigrants.

 

[Tranhuviya]

Trump caved, just like the gay boy he is.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Yeah I don't get all the "dude wall lmao" people on kiwifarms. All the illegals I know are Indians who didn't get their sponsorship or H1-B renewed. I probably know a dozen people who accrued 180+ days of unlawful status, those folks are illegal immigrants.

I wonder if you can track someones' opinions on "dude wall lmao" reliably by whether they live in a region with lots of pajeets or a region with lots of spics...

 

[fiu0cm]

For preventing the most criminal elements from seeping through the border, I like the ideas behind what Anduril Industries is developing.
However, if the majority of illegals really are coming in through legal ports of entry, thinking any kind of barrier will stop "the flood of illegals" seems dumb. Thinking a literal physical wall will seems especially dumb.

There's nothing preventing the use of a wall and other elements like drones or "sensor towers." The illegals that Trump wants to stop with a wall are the ones specifically affected by a wall. A wall isn't even that expensive, despite everyone's emphasis on the "b" in "billion." The "wall wont stop everyone so whats the point lol" argument is worse than the moral objections.

I think it is amazing that there have been can food drives for Coast guard sailors. They do very good work in saving lives, protecting the environment, and securing US waterways. These sailors do not get paid much to begin with.

It's very disappointing that people who "do very good work" don't save enough money to go a month without pay. Unless they're literally in poverty, they can save money.

 

[Cosmug]

There's nothing preventing the use of a wall and other elements like drones or "sensor towers." The illegals that Trump wants to stop with a wall are the ones specifically affected by a wall. A wall isn't even that expensive, despite everyone's emphasis on the "b" in "billion." The "wall wont stop everyone so whats the point lol" argument is worse than the moral objections.


It's very disappointing that people who "do very good work" don't save enough money to go a month without pay. Unless they're literally in poverty, they can save money.

One argument in favor of a literal wall is the result of the lie that America has birthright citizenship (we don’t, that’s why DACA exists) creating a veritable industry of smuggling pregnant women, or worse unaccompanied minors effectively sold into slavery, into the US to act as anchor babies for people looking to sponge off welfare. I don’t know how many coyotes are just guys who own trucks but cutting down on that would cause fewer crises like “kids in cages” because their parents aren’t in the country at all.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

There's nothing preventing the use of a wall and other elements like drones or "sensor towers." The illegals that Trump wants to stop with a wall are the ones specifically affected by a wall. A wall isn't even that expensive, despite everyone's emphasis on the "b" in "billion." The "wall wont stop everyone so whats the point lol" argument is worse than the moral objections.


It's very disappointing that people who "do very good work" don't save enough money to go a month without pay. Unless they're literally in poverty, they can save money.

Even if you're literally in poverty you shouldn't be in line at a soup kitchen after one missed paycheck unless you were living out of your car in the first place.

 

[fam]

There's nothing preventing the use of a wall and other elements like drones or "sensor towers." The illegals that Trump wants to stop with a wall are the ones specifically affected by a wall. A wall isn't even that expensive, despite everyone's emphasis on the "b" in "billion." The "wall wont stop everyone so whats the point lol" argument is worse than the moral objections.

I don't believe a wall, physical or otherwise, is completely pointless. I just believe implementing more modern solutions like sensor towers is a more effective use of five billion dollars.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

I don't believe a wall, physical or otherwise, is completely pointless. I just believe implementing more modern solutions like sensor towers is a more effective use of five billion dollars.

Why not both?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Your two comments seem at odds, the Republicans threatened to implode their entire party because they wanted someone else on the ticket. They certainly weren't going to be all be behind Trump on the wall out the gate. Choosing Trump as the candidate was purely an act of self preservation for them. Some may have warmed up to him. But they still take their orders from the republican party, just like Sanders wasn't chosen by the powers that be of the democratic party.

Why the republicans wouldn't unilaterally support the wall if they had total government control is something I don't get. All Trump had to do was put forth the bill and they'd probably sign it, especially since they were ramping up ICE at the same time and boy howdy did that shitshow with the kids really not do them any PR favors. But if they'd gotten the wall started out of the gate, then that project would at least potentially still be continuing. The wall wasn't going to be built to completion within Trump's first term anyway so it makes no sense why they shouldn't have gone with it sooner.

They may not want a wall because it would increase his chances of winning the next election, and they aren't interested in having a virtual outsider President again that hasn't paid their dues and hasn't got dirty laundry and favors they can call in to get some friendly corporations and individuals the "help" they need.

But has there ever really been a case where the party in power has actually fielded a candidate to challenge their own incumbent?

 

[Nacho Man Randy Salsa]

I think Trump got tired of winning all the time, that's why this happened.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Why the republicans wouldn't unilaterally support the wall if they had total government control is something I don't get. All Trump had to do was put forth the bill and they'd probably sign it, especially since they were ramping up ICE at the same time and boy howdy did that shitshow with the kids really not do them any PR favors. But if they'd gotten the wall started out of the gate, then that project would at least potentially still be continuing. The wall wasn't going to be built to completion within Trump's first term anyway so it makes no sense why they shouldn't have gone with it sooner.

Ironically he's probably closer to being able to get 60 votes in the senate now than he was before, when the situation was dominance in the house but too narrow a majority in the senate to get anything done.

 

[GethN7]

But has there ever really been a case where the party in power has actually fielded a candidate to challenge their own incumbent?

PLENTY OF TIMES.


The Republicans had power post Andrew Johnson and after Grant, they chewed through presidents like crazy, and Hayes, Garfield, and Arthur all wound up the losers or were the compromise choice because they were replacing a loser and immediately became the party whipping boy not long after they took office.

Hayes pissed off half the Republicans enough he was BTFO'ed on the possibility of getting renominated and Garfield was the compromise choice after the Republicans told Hayes not to let the door hit him on the way out.

Arthur became the next victim when he tried to get renominated, as James Blaine really wanted the job and the Republicans considered Arthur competent but not worth their confidence, and Arthur too got BTFO'ed in very short order by his own party.

 

[Vivec]

I wonder if you can track someones' opinions on "dude wall lmao" reliably by whether they live in a region with lots of pajeets or a region with lots of spics...

That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Both tend to favor urban areas by a wide margin, and urban areas tend to be pretty anti wall. My neighborhood is like 40% Hispanic, and the only race that seems to have conflict with them is the one that seems to have conflicts abound.

 

[Medicated]

Why the republicans wouldn't unilaterally support the wall if they had total government control is something I don't get.

Supporting Trump unilaterally out the gate would probably put their own political career on the line, not only would they have been going against the significant nevertrumpers who the leaders of the Republican party appeared to support during the primaries, but they'd be opening themselves up to media and public abuse from the left for aiding "literally hitler". You have to tow the party line, nod in agreement with McCain even if he is an old lunatic. That's what the bosses want to see.

 

[Foxxo]

The whole thing's a mess.

I think Trump got tired of winning all the time, that's why this happened.

He either looks like a mean bullyjerk by keeping it going, or he looks like a soft cuck by ending it. Trump already has the image as the mean bullyjerk, the inflexible load, put on him by the media, so getting more to the middle while letting Pelosi look like the mean and inflexible jackass will be better for him in the long run.

He already got the high score, anyway.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Supporting Trump unilaterally out the gate would probably put their own political career on the line, not only would they have been going against the significant nevertrumpers who the leaders of the Republican party appeared to support during the primaries, but they'd be opening themselves up to media and public abuse from the left for aiding "literally hitler". You have to tow the party line, nod in agreement with McCain even if he is an old lunatic. That's what the bosses want to see.

I'm so confused...this usually is why I tend to avoid politics.